Not really, because i wasn't playing jazz but in a twisted kind of way, yes DM.are you referring to the taboo about crashing on the 1 for jazz?
Great story, and a lovely little trickMy band has a song where the snare is hitting all the quarters thru the verses, but with the standard 2 and 4 backbeats on the choruses. I like going back to the verse (from a chorus) with a typical fill, but that ends with a big crash on the 4, so that when the 1 comes around, I'm already back to my snare on the quarters and the crash is just fading.
It's amazing how such a simple little trick can throw the other muso's. I was in another band where I had the opportunity to use the same trick and in both cases we had to stop so I could explain what was going on and that I wasn't changing time signatures or anything. It's not that it's that tricky a maneuver, but that it required an explanation since everyone's so trained to expect the big crash on 1. If they hear it anywhere else, they automatically assume they lost track of the 1 and they just reset to that crash.
Kind of amusing.
I agree. Unfortunately sometimes musicians don't really feel or care about the 8 measure phrases, which is a shame...Frankly, I find that irritating, because I come from a school of thought where time keeping and and knowing the tune is everyone's business and the drummer isn't just a horse cart for everyone to jump on and do their thing.
Abe, was the guitarist playing power chords on the one and looking for reinforcement?... a guitar player was asking me to define the 1 very clearly last week, almost implying that I had to keep the rhythmic framework very fundamental and drain it of any nuance or expression.
I was 'suggesting' the 1 by just opening the hats which sounded good to me, and crashing only on the section or chorus changes but that didn't work for him and he was gesturing wildly for me to bang the 1 out every 8 measures.
No Pol, it wasn't about dynamics, it was about zooming in on the GPS.Abe, was the guitarist playing power chords on the one and looking for reinforcement?
I'm going through a bit of that crap with my bass player right now. The expectation is always that the drummer must maintain the "expected" path to allow the other musos to gyrate around a predictable structure. Although that's a good thing most of the time, it makes for quite boring listening. The drummer should be afforded equal opportunity to embelish by accenting around the chord progression without the other musos thinking he's lost the plot.Yup! Picking up from the melody/rhythm thread, why should'nt a chord progression or a melodic phrase be the pulse that everyone holds on to?
By "good player" I take it you mean "plays some cool stuff". Lazy ears is a nice expression. It sounds like he was listening to his playing rather than the band as a whole.No Pol, it wasn't about dynamics, it was about zooming in on the GPS.
He's someone who gets lost and caught up in his own playing. He is a good player, so I find that hard to excuse.. it wasn't like I was trying to trip him up or invert anything so that it felt upside down or weird either..
...Lazy ears? Is that a good description of what was going on?.. maybe
Exactly! Thats my point! Why is the drummer the appointed beast of burden?I'm going through a bit of that crap with my bass player right now. The expectation is always that the drummer must maintain the "expected" path to allow the other musos to gyrate around a predictable structure. Although that's a good thing most of the time, it makes for quite boring listening. The drummer should be afforded equal opportunity to embelish by accenting around the chord progression without the other musos thinking he's lost the plot.
Yea, DW but each musical situation can have infinite interpretations. Who decides?...( easy answer- The music- and you ) .i think the situation dictates to crash or not to crash and where.
By whom? I hope whoever is telling you is a greater more experienced musician than yourself, and someone you can learn something from hopefully. If not, then why play what a guitarist or a pianist tells you to play. Who made them captain o' da drums?I just do what i'm told.
or even just someone else's time feel..it would suck to be limited by someone else's time feel weaknesses
I agree.Thats the part I hate..groove on behalf of someone else. Its like using someone else toothbrush. ewww.and be forced into compensating rather than that person deal with the issue.