Counting

chimpy3

Member
I have been playing for a good few years now however I still have alot of trouble counting whilst playing drums. I tend to skip notes in my head or add in extra notes! Does anybody else have this problem? If so, can you give any advice?
Cheers
 

ZootELoops

Senior Member
I have been playing for a good few years now however I still have alot of trouble counting whilst playing drums. I tend to skip notes in my head or add in extra notes! Does anybody else have this problem? If so, can you give any advice?
Cheers
Practice and count OUT LOUD!
 

rogue_drummer

Gold Member
Yeah, I've had that problem. I layed off from drumming for many years and just back into it about two years ago. Before then I took lessons and such and basically knew to count and how to count.

For Hallooween I played in an Ad hoc group that played rock oldies - Elvis, Chuck Berry, etc. We also did "Monster Mash" and some other Halloween songs. I had to count several songs off and the rest of the group waited until I played 4 4/4 bars until they came in. And we had songs with breaks in them, etc. Yeah, I found myself counting 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and. Then having to count in my head 1 E & Ah 2 E & Ah....

Like ZootELoops said, the best way is to practice and count out loud until you can feel it or can count to yourself silently.
 

caddywumpus

Platinum Member
Absolutely count out loud. That way you not only do it, but you hear it as well, which reinforces your learning of it.

As far as learning how to count, you should strive to make is second nature so you don't have to think about counting while trying to play something tricky. It's like playing a basic rock beat. You don't really think about the hi hat or ride part, but you just do it automatically, and it gives a point of reference for everything else within the beat that you play. Yeah, counting should be like that!

So, practice counting. You don't even need a pad to do it! Practicing counting while you drum is great to start with, but really, you should work towards practicing drums while you're counting...
 

chimpy3

Member
Thanks for all the replies. I suppose it is sort of an independence thing and if I count instinctively then eventually I will become used to it. Do any of you actually count 32nd notes?
 

ZootELoops

Senior Member
Thanks for all the replies. I suppose it is sort of an independence thing and if I count instinctively then eventually I will become used to it. Do any of you actually count 32nd notes?
How the hell could you count that fast? ;)
 

caddywumpus

Platinum Member
How the hell could you count that fast? ;)
Yeah. When I play orchestral gigs, I often have to read 32nd notes and 64th notes. Usually the pieces are really slow. 32nd notes are the speed of a 16th note being "diddled" in rudimental solos, afterall, so you SHOULD be able to count them. Here's what a measure of 4/4 in 32nd notes is counted as:

1 e & a & e & a 2 e & a & e & a 3 e & a & e & a 4 e & a & e & a

Oh, and about how you can possibly count that fast...you just work your speed up, like the rest of drumming. You've got to start slow, and you'll get faster in time. Remember, speed is never as important as accuracy and control. Who cares if you can play blisteringly fast if you can't control the dynamics of your notes or if they start to "gallop" (not be played even, rhythmically). Work on playing accurately, and the speed will come in time...

Hope this helps!
 

ZootELoops

Senior Member
Oh, and about how you can possibly count that fast...you just work your speed up, like the rest of drumming. You've got to start slow, and you'll get faster in time. Remember, speed is never as important as accuracy and control. Who cares if you can play blisteringly fast if you can't control the dynamics of your notes or if they start to "gallop" (not be played even, rhythmically). Work on playing accurately, and the speed will come in time...

Hope this helps!
I just mean I don't think you can possibly count out loud as quickly as you can play those. - especially at full speed
 
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