Constant frustration/disappointment with music

Mighty_Joker

Silver Member
Thanks a lot. What did you do to improve so much after the age of 20? Did you just start focused and dedicated practice at that age?

Can I also ask if you studied drums/music at college or something? I'm hoping to make a career out of drumming, it's nice to hear people that are. Although I worry I'm at a disadvantage because of not studying drums at a prestigious college.

I suppose my issue is, HOW do I get into it? Where did it start for you, that has now led to you playing drums for a living? Where do I begin?

Cheers
Yes, I practised a hell of a lot. At one point I was racking up 20-30 hours per week, while teaching and working on a Masters Degree. To follow up, no, I have never studied music at college, school, or university. My music education has always been private lessons, self study, and experience. I don't believe I have been at a disadvantage because of this. Forget the idea of a prestigious college. As others have said, focus on bettering yourself and meeting people.

As for how to get in, the best advice I can give you other than what's already been said is firstly, be ready to take advantage of any opportunities that come, but secondly, create your own. When I was frustrated about finding musicians playing music I wanted to play, I wrote my own album, and then I became the one hiring the musicians. I became the one people wanted to play with because I was the one with the big project, and yes, I paid properly.


Persistence is key. It's unlikely to happen quickly. Build up over time, keep bettering yourself, and don't give up too soon (ever!).
 

Drumsarefun

Member
Yes, I practised a hell of a lot. At one point I was racking up 20-30 hours per week, while teaching and working on a Masters Degree. To follow up, no, I have never studied music at college, school, or university. My music education has always been private lessons, self study, and experience. I don't believe I have been at a disadvantage because of this. Forget the idea of a prestigious college. As others have said, focus on bettering yourself and meeting people.

As for how to get in, the best advice I can give you other than what's already been said is firstly, be ready to take advantage of any opportunities that come, but secondly, create your own. When I was frustrated about finding musicians playing music I wanted to play, I wrote my own album, and then I became the one hiring the musicians. I became the one people wanted to play with because I was the one with the big project, and yes, I paid properly.


Persistence is key. It's unlikely to happen quickly. Build up over time, keep bettering yourself, and don't give up too soon (ever!).
Thanks man, it's great to hear you can do it without music college.

I don't know anything about music theory, but I like the idea of getting into it.

I can't decide though if keyboard or guitar is better for writing my own songs with + learning music theory.

Guitar is classic but I guess keyboard can create so many different sounds if hooked up to a computer
 

opentune

Platinum Member
Im a uni student at the moment in my second year studying a degree unrelated to drums and music.
So I'm trying to arrange some jams with people who I have found at the uni. But I'm just not having any luck
What can i do? I'm feeling very disillusioned with uni, and am questioning why Im here
As I interpret your post, you are not at uni to learn drums/music. I get that, but keep in mind others there are doing degrees unrelated to music. This may mean they cannot get too deep into it because they are busy 'studying something else'.
You might want to try sampling another population in your town or city. Other young budding musicians who are NOT busy in uni classes.
You seem to be 'questioning uni', but i'd say its not the best place to 'form a band' when everybody may be busy studying something else. I gather you did not go there to form a band, but to get a degree, right?
Try getting people together who are NOT in uni. They may have way more time or interest.
 

williamsbclontz

Silver Member
My other advice is to pick up the guitar. Make your own music then find people to play it with you. Then you are in a position of power. As a drummer we are reliant upon other musicians to be leaders and songwriters, which can admittedly be difficult. Take charge of your musical direction and own your future. You will be much happier not relying other people.
This is what I'm currently doing and I'm happier than I've ever been. I'm not playing a different instrument but I'm writing basslines and guitar parts and I'm using my own guys who I'm close friends with. My music and my direction, and it's the best!
 

Woolwich

Silver Member
Have you tried Facebook?
I've just typed in "Bath Musici" and four groups, 'Bath Music Scene', 'Bath Gigs, Bands And Musicians' 'Music Bath' and 'Bath Music Collective' have shown up. Have a dig into these, broaden the search by using Somerset in the search bar instead of Bath. There may be people looking for musicians on these pages or information about gigs you can go to where you could perhaps meet people etc.

As Opentune says, perhaps by looking within the University you're limiting your options. I could be totally wrong but the impression I get from my son who is also starting his second year (and who coincidentally has a mate in Bath University) is that the music societys are more geared towards the classical side than the contemporary, at least they are at his Uni. Also between his studies which take him in every day of the week and Basketball which takes up two nights and the traditional Wednesday afternoon he is struggling to fit a part time job in. If he was musically inclined at all he would literally have to choose between that and his sport or job. There must surely be plenty of people in Bath with less stretching timetables in college or in full time employment who have more time in the evenings to enjoy their music.
 

Drumsarefun

Member
This is what I'm currently doing and I'm happier than I've ever been. I'm not playing a different instrument but I'm writing basslines and guitar parts and I'm using my own guys who I'm close friends with. My music and my direction, and it's the best!
So would you recommend guitar over keyboard?

I really can't decide, I feel like keyboard is easier for learning and understanding music theory.

Also I could create whole songs using a keyboard + a DAW on my computer


But then guitar would also be awesome.

Can't afford both sadly.
 

Drumsarefun

Member
Have you tried Facebook?
I've just typed in "Bath Musici" and four groups, 'Bath Music Scene', 'Bath Gigs, Bands And Musicians' 'Music Bath' and 'Bath Music Collective' have shown up. Have a dig into these, broaden the search by using Somerset in the search bar instead of Bath. There may be people looking for musicians on these pages or information about gigs you can go to where you could perhaps meet people etc.

As Opentune says, perhaps by looking within the University you're limiting your options. I could be totally wrong but the impression I get from my son who is also starting his second year (and who coincidentally has a mate in Bath University) is that the music societys are more geared towards the classical side than the contemporary, at least they are at his Uni. Also between his studies which take him in every day of the week and Basketball which takes up two nights and the traditional Wednesday afternoon he is struggling to fit a part time job in. If he was musically inclined at all he would literally have to choose between that and his sport or job. There must surely be plenty of people in Bath with less stretching timetables in college or in full time employment who have more time in the evenings to enjoy their music.
That's a great idea, I'm using the FB Uni music page, will have a look at stuff outside uni aswell

Really appreciate it
 
You see, some of those things you said. I'm just not sure those things happen anymore. I'm not sure if it's changing times or if it's just me that doesn't see all of these things happening.

For example, at house parties, people don't have live bands. People plug their phone into a speaker and put on Spotify playlist. Add to that I live in the UK and there's hardly a space for sofa in these student houses.

"We got to know the guy who ran the local record store"

Again, I'm not sure if it's changing times. But how did this happen? I'm not even sure we have local record stores anymore, due to the internet etc.


I get that those are just specific examples of your situation, and that it's not the only way things can happen. There are a few clubs here at Bath (UK) but it's quite a small city so not too much. I really hope to start rehearsing with my band if we can get a good singer and play a few of these clubs.


I know I shouldn't, but I can't help but feel disappointed that "band music" is just not nearly as popular nowadays, particularly among people my age.

These cool stories, like how you played in an old rotting house, that's so cool! I know it's an unhealthy mindset, but I feel like these "cool" or exciting things just aren't something that happen to me. I suppose a lot has to do with my personality though
Although some of those things have changed, there's a lot that is still relevant.

I'm in the UK and there are still plenty of bars hosting local bands. Choose one and become a regular. After the gig, comment on the drummers kit, or on a song you enjoyed. Just get talking to the bands. The next time you go along, just make eye contact and say Hi. Eventually you'll be recognised and remembered.
I've done this, and already been asked if I'd like to stand in on a song with a band next time they play local to me. It terrifies me, but it could be a really good experience for me.

Even offering to help carry things to cars/vans at the end of the night could help start conversations where you can mention that you are a drummer and looking to start something up. Most band members have wide circles of musician friends and acquaintances and one conversation can lead to a meeting that gets you on your way.

Good luck.
 

larryace

"Uncle Larry"
You could lament about your situation...or you could take charge and if there is a lack of live music near you...you could change that. You could organize events. It's a surefire way to get you into your local scene. You have all kinds of latent powers. If you see a deficiency, correct it. Simple in concept, but it will take some work.

There are no shortage of musicians. What there is, is a shortage of people who
will try and organize something.

You need to secure a venue that is up for live music, arrange for bands to play, and from there, that's all the in you should need. Yes that's an oversimplification, but it could be a winning formula for your situation.
 
You could lament about your situation...or you could take charge and if there is a lack of live music near you...you could change that. You could organize events. It's a surefire way to get you into your local scene. You have all kinds of latent powers. If you see a deficiency, correct it. Simple in concept, but it will take some work.

There are no shortage of musicians. What there is, is a shortage of people who
will try and organize something.

You need to secure a venue that is up for live music, arrange for bands to play, and from there, that's all the in you should need. Yes that's an oversimplification, but it could be a winning formula for your situation.
Spot on! I did this in the village I live in, and as well as getting to know lots of musicians, was able to use the opportunity to play my first live gig! (Only a 30 minute opening slot, but great experience and a start!) I've already got bands interested in doing another event next year.

It has also led to other music events being held at a venue that is not usually known for music, so a win win situation!
 

Juniper

Gold Member
Your biggest problem is that you're looking too much at the negatives and thinking of failure already.

Bath does have some live music on regularly and although there are no major venues in the area there are still smaller places to go and mingle in that scene to hopfully make contacts.

Also, Bristol is 15minutes away on the train from Bath. Maybe go and check out some music/chat to some musicians there? If you feel Bath is so poor for a music scene what about another (larger) place just on your doorstep?

At the end of the day what have you got to loose?
 

Steady Freddy

Pioneer Member
I'd go to every music store in your area and see if you can post a flyer or card.

Drummer available, musicians wanted, jam sessions..........
 

Steady Freddy

Pioneer Member
I do see what you're talking about. A few years ago, I had gone to a venue on the Sunset Strip in California. It's a place where many big bands got their start, and also were I had played through the late 80s, until the late 2000s. It was an effort to stay up-to-date on what was happening.
The Wiskey!! Starwood was a great venue too!!
 

w3r1_drums

Senior Member
I definitely feel you there

My band We Are One has made a few connections via a local venue with an open mic and through them we've gotten to play a few shows, and they know us well enough there that I think they'd be willing to use us for the festivals that they put on (they run a couple of festivals in that area). just look around for wherever you can play.

ofc, all that's not helpful if you can't start a band. Grabbing a group of musicians is hard. Gotta look around everywhere. I was lucky enough to be able to grab two bands together from the people I knew. I can't help you there.
 

Groov-E

Silver Member
Don't forget to study while you are there, 99 chances out of a hundred your future income depends on it.
 

williamsbclontz

Silver Member
So would you recommend guitar over keyboard?

I really can't decide, I feel like keyboard is easier for learning and understanding music theory.

Also I could create whole songs using a keyboard + a DAW on my computer


But then guitar would also be awesome.

Can't afford both sadly.
Im based out of the Louisiana Texas area so I play a lot of blues/country/soul type stuff so guitar is always present. We sometimes use an organ but I usually trust whatever they throw into the mix.

If you were to learn anything definitely learn bass, because its the second half of the groove after the drum track. So for my band I write the bassline and drum parts, then I'll usually get a few really good local guitar players to help me with writing guitar parts.
 

Magenta

Platinum Member
I do feel for you.

This thread has loads of replies and I haven't read all of them so I apologise if I'm repeating anything that has already been suggested, but here goes anyway:

joinmyband.co.uk is a jolly useful site. It's a bit like Tinder.

Are there any open mics near you? I realise this may involve going to the pub at least once a week, but hey, you're a student, I'm sure you can handle it!

And let me ask around a few people. I'm not sure if I know anybody in the Bath area, but I may well know people who do.
 

Magenta

Platinum Member
And let me ask around a few people. I'm not sure if I know anybody in the Bath area, but I may well know people who do.
I've had a couple of suggestions, and I've contacted them. If you PM me your details I'll pass them on if any of them get back to you.
 

Groov-E

Silver Member
Instead of being a boring geezer and tell you to study hard and get good grades, I'll indulge in the original topic and tell you about my current situation.

I am having a hard time finding local jazz musicians in my hometown. Everyone wants a metal drummer, but I can't do it anymore. Fed up with the genre and the people I am.

So I am about to contact a stand up bass player to get lessons - only instead I'll pay him 20$ an hour to jam with him.

A good way to expose myself to a mostly closed and elitist clique I figure.

We'll see from there.

Focus on solutions, we just need to stay positive and creative in our musical journey.

And Magenta's offer is very nice, you have nice drumming community over there.

Have a great weekend.
 

Drumsarefun

Member
I do feel for you.

This thread has loads of replies and I haven't read all of them so I apologise if I'm repeating anything that has already been suggested, but here goes anyway:

joinmyband.co.uk is a jolly useful site. It's a bit like Tinder.

Are there any open mics near you? I realise this may involve going to the pub at least once a week, but hey, you're a student, I'm sure you can handle it!

And let me ask around a few people. I'm not sure if I know anybody in the Bath area, but I may well know people who do.
Hey, thanks a lot. My uni has set up a weekly open mic night now, but it seems it is acoustic, something that happens quite often. I imagine due to small venues, with full bands not having enough space or being too loud.

As for other suggestions. I've got 3 jams with various people this week, hoping to go to a local gig on wednesday night for £3, hopefully can speak to the band after. Will just have to see.

Bit more hopeful now, thanks everyone for helping me realise there's more I can be doing
 
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