Paiste uses B8 with success (e.g. in the 2002 / Giant Beat / Rude family). Signature (and all of its fellows like Signature Dark Energy and Signature Traditionals) use B15 and the 602 and Masters Cymbals are B20 (as were the Twenty line). And - even professional lines like 2002 and Signature are made from sheet bronze. So you are right, it’s all about the making of......Paiste cymbals are nearly all (if not all) a B8 formula and from their lower cost lines right through to 2002, Signature and the ultimate Metal cymbal the Rude they find a home in Rock and Metal setups. Yes the material is important but so is the manufacture process and cymbal design.
I have two ride cymbals sitting in my house that were left by the drummer who was drumming for the band my son toured with the last couple of years - they used my house as rehearsal space.If you're hitting into the cymbal as hard as you can then you're gonna break lots of cymbals cheap and expensive which puts a bit of strain on the old finances in which case stick with the budget stuff until you can get the most out of professional level cymbals.
Straight away that's over £700 worth of really nice B20 wasted.One is a 22" Zildjian K Dark Ride (or something like that)
The other one is a 23" Zildjian Sweet Ride
Both have big cracks in them that follow the grooves, rendering them pretty much worthless. He's a solid drummer, but I always felt that he hit too hard.
Yep - I'm not sure what to do with them because cracked like they are, there's no resale value on them, and other than the cracks, they are practically brand new. Right now they're just sitting there next to my kit.Straight away that's over £700 worth of really nice B20 wasted.
I'm always amazed when I see rides get cracked, I've only seen one person do it and again he was a decent drummer but had no technique or dynamic other than fffffff
As a former Paiste owner myself, I'm fully aware of that. However, the OP said "I only want to play Sabian" so that's where I aimed my comments.This is digressing from the topic because I don’t know anything about the Sabian ranges but I have to disagree with Peedy’s remark about Metal players using primarily B20 cymbals. Paiste cymbals are nearly all (if not all) a B8 formula and from their lower cost lines right through to 2002, Signature and the ultimate Metal cymbal the Rude they find a home in Rock and Metal setups. Yes the material is important but so is the manufacture process and cymbal design.
Thats because Sabian has no clue how to make good sounding cymbals out of B8, neither does Zildjian. Its not because B8 is crappy.Metal drummer hear, and Sabian fanboy.
B8's are kind of crappy. The new stuff is a lot better than the old stuff, but it's cheaper for a reason. If you ever record that will be a big difference. For live gigs you won't notice as much as when you are playing by yourself as well.