Article - Carmine dishes on getting fired from Ozzy's band.

SomeBadDrummer

Well-known member
I think Black Sabbath's strength is they lasted long enough they actually gained in popularity from their initial cult following. Ozzie becoming a TV star seemed to help-who doesn't enjoy him staggering around.
Me. I saw Ozzy on March 17, 1982 during the Diary of a Madman tour (2 days before Randy Rhoads died).
Ozzy not only staggered around the stage, he didn’t know the lyrics and fumbled his way through the concert. I was embarrassed for him and the band.
 

DrumEatDrum

Platinum Member

Yeah, the war of words between Bob Daisley and Sharon through the press have been going on for decades, and there are a million videos and articles on it.

But they all leave out pertinent facts:

Yes, Bob Daisley was fired shortly after recording "Diary of a Madman" at the end of 1981

But what's left out is he came back in 1983 during the tour to promote the "Speak at the Devil" album, He's clearly seen on the videos from the US festival. Bob then stayed and wrote and recorded on the entire Bark at the Moon album and tour. He is in the Bark at the Moon video. (there is a youtube interview with Jake E Lee discussing how Bob came back to the band on the day of the US Festival and they went on stage together without a rehearsal).

Bob then stayed on to help write and record The Ultimate Sin, but quit (or was fired) when making the album.

Bob then came back to write and record "No Rest For The Wicked" but again quit/fired after the recording was done, and Geezer Butler appears on all the videos and tour.

Bob then came back again to write and record "No More Tears" yet the album sleeve has a photo of Mike Inez. In the credits, Inez is listed as the bass player and musical inspiration, but the fine print says all bass parts played by Bob Daisley.

The old expression is "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me"

If Ozzy and Sharon are such terrible people who ripped him off, why did Bob Daisley go back over and over again?
Is he just a glutton for abuse? Why would he continue to write and record for an artist he felt like was ripping him off?
Clearly, he got paid enough to want to come back and do it again, and again and again.

Hence why I think Bob Daisley's claims just don't add up. He knew what he was getting into after the 1st time he was fired. And the 2nd time he was fired, and the 3rd time he was fired. Yet he always went back and wrote & recorded more songs. And Bob has lost every lawsuit he's ever filed against Ozzy.

Now, I will say it's absolutely criminal Ozzy and Sharon don't admit the enormous impact Bob Daisley has had on Ozzy's career.

Sure, they can argue over the money and legalities, but the fact was Bob is all those albums as a player and songwriter that made Ozzy's solo career what was.

And, another tipping point was when The Osbournes had Daisley's bass parts re-recorded. Whenever you hear those tracks these days, Bark At The Moon, Crazy Train, etc. you're not hearing Bob Daisley, you're hearing Robert Trujillo.

http://rockandrollgarage.com/rob-trujillo-recalls-re-recording-bob-daisleys-bass-for-ozzy-osbourne/

Just to clarify, Bark at the Moon was never re-recorded, only the 1st two solo albums were re-recorded. And it's only the 2002 re-issue editions of the two albums that have the re-recorded tracks, Subsequently, the 30th-anniversary issue edition as the original bass and drums put back.

Chances are if you hear "Crazy Train" on the radio, it's likely you are hearing Bob.
 

ron s

Senior Member
I think it was in Dean Delrays "let there be talk" podcast with Brad Wilk that Brad basically said about this situation that "a global tour is a lot of organising and money and you cant risk having someone with health problems because you won't get insurance etc"
For me, as a big fan of the Ozzy -era Sabbath, it is just sad that they could not come to some agreement. I saw them on the reunion tour in Boston, and Ward played very well and with a lot of energy. I read somewhere that the band retained Vinny Appice as a backup, but never had to use him.
regarding the “Heaven and Hell” tour- I saw them at the Mohegan Sun in CT, and they were also very good.
it made sense to have Vinny Appice on that tour, since he is much more associated with the Dio era Sabbath than Ward, even though Ward did play on the studio album Heaven and Hell.
Side note relevant to the original topic is that Sharon would not let Tony Iommi tour with the Dio lineup and use Black Sabbath as the band name. If he did, there would be no 13 and subsequent tour, so they toured as the name of album Heaven and Hell.
 

wraub

Well-known member
Thanks for the additional info. It does help to clarify things.
I would imagine that he would go back either because of reassurances from others, or money, or both. Purely speculation, though.
And, to repeat? Yeah, I'm with you.





Yeah, the war of words between Bob Daisley and Sharon through the press have been going on for decades, and there are a million videos and articles on it.

But they all leave out pertinent facts:

Yes, Bob Daisley was fired shortly after recording "Diary of a Madman" at the end of 1981

But what's left out is he came back in 1983 during the tour to promote the "Speak at the Devil" album, He's clearly seen on the videos from the US festival. Bob then stayed and wrote and recorded on the entire Bark at the Moon album and tour. He is in the Bark at the Moon video. (there is a youtube interview with Jake E Lee discussing how Bob came back to the band on the day of the US Festival and they went on stage together without a rehearsal).

Bob then stayed on to help write and record The Ultimate Sin, but quit (or was fired) when making the album.

Bob then came back to write and record "No Rest For The Wicked" but again quit/fired after the recording was done, and Geezer Butler appears on all the videos and tour.

Bob then came back again to write and record "No More Tears" yet the album sleeve has a photo of Mike Inez. In the credits, Inez is listed as the bass player and musical inspiration, but the fine print says all bass parts played by Bob Daisley.

The old expression is "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me"

If Ozzy and Sharon are such terrible people who ripped him off, why did Bob Daisley go back over and over again?
Is he just a glutton for abuse? Why would he continue to write and record for an artist he felt like was ripping him off?
Clearly, he got paid enough to want to come back and do it again, and again and again.

Hence why I think Bob Daisley's claims just don't add up. He knew what he was getting into after the 1st time he was fired. And the 2nd time he was fired, and the 3rd time he was fired. Yet he always went back and wrote & recorded more songs. And Bob has lost every lawsuit he's ever filed against Ozzy.

Now, I will say it's absolutely criminal Ozzy and Sharon don't admit the enormous impact Bob Daisley has had on Ozzy's career.

Sure, they can argue over the money and legalities, but the fact was Bob is all those albums as a player and songwriter that made Ozzy's solo career what was.



Just to clarify, Bark at the Moon was never re-recorded, only the 1st two solo albums were re-recorded. And it's only the 2002 re-issue editions of the two albums that have the re-recorded tracks, Subsequently, the 30th-anniversary issue edition as the original bass and drums put back.

Chances are if you hear "Crazy Train" on the radio, it's likely you are hearing Bob.
 

cbphoto

Gold Member
If Ozzy and Sharon are such terrible people who ripped him off, why did Bob Daisley go back over and over again?
Teacher! Teacher! I know! I know! He did it for the money!

”Hello Bob, Sharon here. What’d we pay you last time? £200,000? Well, how does £300,000 sound?”
 
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