No . . . a thousand times NO! Can you imagine what a monstrous, disastrous blow it would be to a cymbal company's reputation if every cymbal pack they sell was less than perfect? Packs sell very, very well for them. I think that's all the confirmation we need that these aren't bottom-line products. Besides that, can you recall even one person on these forums complaining about the quality of the cymbal packs they purchased? I can't.I always thought cymbal packs were the place where borderline rejects went.