Anyone going to drop 2k on the Armand 100 Cymbal?

vyacheslav

Senior Member

Me neither! It's cool that Zildjian is doing this, but for TWO FREAKING GRAND??????

First off, how "vintage" is the 20" cymbal you are getting? Did Armand and/or Zildjian really set aside 200 of these back in the 60's or 70's because they were planning this 50+ years in advance? Doubtful. Maybe it's made in a "vintage" way, or it's an old Zildjian Armand series with the logos removed. My gut tells me it's not a "true" vintage A from the 40's or 50's, like the literature says. How do we know for sure? Oh, I forgot the "Certificate of Authenticity". Who's doing the authenticating? Zildjian? Also, no warranty on these because they aren't "new". I wonder what the cymbal mounting hole size is? Vintage Zildjian's used a smaller diameter mounting hole until about the mid 50's or so. If these have standard, 1/2" mounting holes then we know they aren't legit!

Second, even if you could verify that it was an actual vintage A cymbal from the time period stated, why would you spend 2 grand on it? You can find 20" vintage A's for a tenth of that price all day long, and all of those have been well broken in and usually have a nice patina, which is what most vintage cymbal aficionados want. I think having no patina and being unplayed would detract from what most vintage players desire. I guess the inspection gloves, drumsticks and hard case make up for the additional $1,800 you are spending.

Zildjian can obviously do what the want and charge what they want, but I suspect very few "real" drummers will be purchasing this. I have a feeling that most of these will go to drum shops and collectors, only to sit in a display case and never to be touched. I bet the person who buys this also owns an entire A & F kit and it never leaves their "play room".

Just my two cents. Not sure why anyone would spend that much on a "sound unheard" cymbal when you can play "real" vintage A's all day long at a tenth of that price.
 
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Winston_Wolf

Platinum Member
I don't really see this as any kind of a "players" purchase, because you're not really buying the cymbal. What you're buying is the connection to Armand and the story that goes along with it. I admit that the story is a little vague in some areas enough to make a jaded conclusion easy to reach, but I'm sure they'll eventually sell all of them.
 

bongoman

Junior Member
Paiste sold a bunch of old cymbals they had kept in storage to DCP a few years ago. I almost bought one that was an oddball at a not too bad price, but I passed. The serial numbers and logos did appear to be legit from the 70s.
 

Bozozoid

Well-known member
If I really really liked it I'd grab a 20 and hit the casino asking god to help me win. If I didn't win I'd drive home of course mumbling there is! no God.
 

mikyok

Platinum Member
I'm in the wrong business. Time to buy some cheap used A medium rides and remove the ink, buy some white gloves, presentation box and knock up a certificate of authenticity on a computer and watch the money roll in!

One has to ask why these cymbals weren't sold the first time around.
 

Auspicious

Well-known member
We are pleased and proud to release genuine, 1940s – 1950’s-era vintage A Zildjian cymbals from Armand’s personal collection in celebration of what would have been Armand’s 100th birthday, and all that he achieved in his illustrious life. This special collection of early A Zildjian instruments was first stored in a bank safe in the Quincy plant, and after being handed to Armand following the passing of his father, Avedis III, have since been kept alongside other precious cymbals in the Zildjian Family Vault.

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I think they will sell easily at 1800$ is not really that expensive for old cymbals in pristine condition, if they have a nice sound too and there is a block of history attached to them..

It's for people with money, collectors, they are meant to gain value over time.

For me it's a nice initiative, to sell these cymbals especially for those who like old cymbals.. there is a market for that, like those drinking old wine.

it would be dumb for me to buy one with a low working class salary, but the item is not meant for me.
 
We've already ridiculed them. :)

200 cymbals they had left in storage for $2000 each = $400 000
Retailer's share and cost of distribution, gloves and boxes = - $100 000
Knowing that people actually bought it = priceless
 

CommanderRoss

Silver Member
We've already ridiculed them. :)

200 cymbals they had left in storage for $2000 each = $400 000
Retailer's share and cost of distribution, gloves and boxes = - $100 000
Knowing that people actually bought it = priceless

We did as I was the one who first posted about this. ;)
 
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Chris Whitten

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If you are referring to me, they date back to the 40's and 50's - what I mean is the package and marketing is aimed squarely at collectors, not regular players of vintage cymbals. If you play it you're probably going to instantly halve your investment.
 

Jeff Almeyda

Senior Consultant
Not in a million years
 

MusiQmaN

Platinum Member
If you are referring to me, they date back to the 40's and 50's - what I mean is the package and marketing is aimed squarely at collectors, not regular players of vintage cymbals. If you play it you're probably going to instantly halve your investment.

No I refered to someone else and was a reply to the OP who questioned the originallity of the cymbals’ age.
 

Auspicious

Well-known member
Wow I can't believe this thread, if I had money I wound buy one of these, the piece will gain value over the years.

Plus Zildjian is a great company with a long history.
 
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