Another drummer in the band

I can sometimes in a weak moment get that feeling since our vocalist used to be a drummer in a couple of pretty good bands in the 80's and early 90's, that I need to not make that many mistakes, bring my A-game. But as I have gotten to know him over the years, he is just a genuine great guy and friend, who respect me as a drummer and only have constructive ideas if he says anything about my drumming. He was in a severe accident in the late 90's, and basically lost his ability to play drums, so it's not like I feel that he could outplay me in any way, at least not now... Its nice to have an extra guy that knows about drums in the band though, getting help rigging and also have some great ideas on what to play on our original songs, if I don't come up with something great myself.
 
Its all about being friends/family...having someone who understands time is a bonus!

As long as we are not overfilling the frequencies and functions of the 'drum set envelope' I say, the more drummer knowledge the better.

...but then you have to endure my music theory...mmmuuuaaahHHHAAAA!(for halloween I dressed up as a drummer who understands pitch/melody/scales - scared the bejeebus out of the guitar players I know!)
 
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Lead guitarists should be able to play drums. IMO
In many genres it is expected that the players can play more than one instrument, in Jazz often times it's the piano sometimes the drums are second instruments. It helps to understand the form for instruments like trumpet.
 
I just think you need a thick skin and it seems to be eating you but rise above it. Other musicians are very hard on drummers from what I’ve experienced. I’ve had a few band members criticize me pretty bluntly about my playing, some of them also drummers, generally it was a bit hurtful but it struck me more as unnecessary because they could have specified exactly what they thought I should work on and offer direction. I am constantly working on myself and we literally throw pieces of wood into metal discs and bouncy heads and it’s HARD!
 
I just think you need a thick skin and it seems to be eating you but rise above it. Other musicians are very hard on drummers from what I’ve experienced. I’ve had a few band members criticize me pretty bluntly about my playing, some of them also drummers, generally it was a bit hurtful but it struck me more as unnecessary because they could have specified exactly what they thought I should work on and offer direction. I am constantly working on myself and we literally throw pieces of wood into metal discs and bouncy heads and it’s HARD!

personally, if someone is critical of me, I love it. Give me feedback; throw ideas my way

if they are just criticizing, or condescending, I just hand them my sticks and say "go"....

not once has anyone ever been able to back up their words with playing....
 
personally, if someone is critical of me, I love it. Give me feedback; throw ideas my way

if they are just criticizing, or condescending, I just hand them my sticks and say "go"....

not once has anyone ever been able to back up their words with playing....
Yeah if they can point out what I should improve I will be motivated to work on it.

And same, one guy that ragged on me a bit got on the kit one day and demonstrated the beat he thought would suit and I had trouble keeping a straight face. Drummer critics can be sort of armchair critics.
 
I can understand the insecurity in having another member who has drumming capabilities and the sense of being judged......it's justified and well within the realms of normalcy.

But as the dedicated drummer in the band, there's a whole slew of elements involved.

You have the capability to play a money beat for extended periods at 60 bpm. It's hard and takes discipline.

You have the ability to reach out of the pocket with a simple, well spoken fill and slip right back into the pocket again. It's hard and takes discipline.

You also have the ability to negotiate, change the beat, be behind or ahead of the time as required. It's hard and takes discipline.

A lot of the multi instrumentalists I have bandied with over the years can play at the drums, but they don't own the groove.
 
I can understand the insecurity in having another member who has drumming capabilities and the sense of being judged......it's justified and well within the realms of normalcy.

But as the dedicated drummer in the band, there's a whole slew of elements involved.

You have the capability to play a money beat for extended periods at 60 bpm. It's hard and takes discipline.

You have the ability to reach out of the pocket with a simple, well spoken fill and slip right back into the pocket again. It's hard and takes discipline.

You also have the ability to negotiate, change the beat, be behind or ahead of the time as required. It's hard and takes discipline.

A lot of the multi instrumentalists I have bandied with over the years can play at the drums, but they don't own the groove.

yep...there is a huge difference between playing the drums and PLAYING the drums....

so one of my most intimidating moments came when I was doing a pit orchestra gig in college, and they hired this bass player in town, who I will call "Marcos" in lieu of using his real name w/o permission. He was THE top cat for jazz, classical and everythign else on bass in town. A local legend, and one of my heroes. He had played in the C-bus Jazz Arts Group, was a member of the C-bus Symphony...had ALL of the pedigree.

we were doing West Side Story - which is already an intimidating as hell drum part. He would come oin, and set up right next to me, and I would instantly shrink into a shaking blob on my throne. I thought for sure I was gonna get roasted on every rep for all of my downfalls. BUT, he would always greet me with his trademark soft spoken "whats up cat?", and shake my hand. when we rehearsed, he rarely said a thing right away, but as the run kept going, he would give me little pointers here and there, or say "hey man, lets pull the dancers along in this one" or "hey, on the end of Maria, why don't you do a decrescendo roll on the cymbal as I come of the bow a bit"...cool little extras that made me feel like we were a team.

during breaks in rehearsals, he would just sit and play walking bqss lines to himself, and one day, I started playing along with brushes. He looked back and gave me a reassuting nod, and we just sort fo vamped in those downtimes.

at the end of the run, he was packing up, and told me that I was one of the best drummers he had played with in a pit situation. and that his most favorite times were when we would vamp on stuff during breaks. I was like the cartoon character with little hearts coming out of my head. For the nedt 15 years - until he retired - we would see each other, and he always called me "Otterbein" (my college). He actually lived in the neighborhood and I would see him at the supermarket often.

so, just a little story to remind us thqt not all people who are giving suggestions are jerks
 
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