AI In Music

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AzHeat

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I found this Rick Beato video pretty interesting and very scary all at the same time. It shouldn't have surprised me. My company did a whole AI thing with our founder and none of us knew the difference. They told us later it was all AI. Actually, showed us it was when our founder walked into the video with the AI version of him already there.
Won't be able to believe anything going forward if you did already.

Anyway, here's the video:
 
I get the whole AI business. It’s being used for everything.

But there’s still something to be said for just meeting musicians you’ve never played with and instantly being able to gel and make music together. The digital crowd can’t do that and “being able to play” is still the key to getting a gig: along with being a cool person to be around and the ability to be reliable.

So I say people can AI all they want - they’ll still never be the people musicians will call when they need a real player for any kind of gig - which is really what being a musician is all about.
 
Bo Eder said:
I get the whole AI business. It’s being used for everything.

But there’s still something to be said for just meeting musicians you’ve never played with and instantly being able to gel and make music together. The digital crowd can’t do that and “being able to play” is still the key to getting a gig: along with being a cool person to be around and the ability to be reliable.

So I say people can AI all they want - they’ll still never be the people musicians will call when they need a real player for any kind of gig - which is really what being a musician is all about.
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That's a great point. And also, people will get bored with it in general after awhile, like they do everything...it's a novelty in the arts right now, some are definitely leaning towards fear mongering with it but I really don't see it effecting most musical styles and playing, from an audience or industry point of view. No way jazz audiences or knowledgeable producers would ever accept it, for example. And on the plus side, it could actually lead to some important protections for our craft as well, so it's not all bad!
 
theludwigman said:
That's a great point. And also, people will get bored with it in general after awhile, like they do everything...it's a novelty in the arts right now, some are definitely leaning towards fear mongering with it but I really don't see it effecting most musical styles and playing, from an audience or industry point of view. No way jazz audiences or knowledgeable producers would ever accept it, for example. And on the plus side, it could actually lead to some important protections for our craft as well, so it's not all bad!
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Novelty is really what it is. And it’s been this way since the 60s with all the one-hit wonders. Nobody takes novelty seriously.
 
For the last four decades, popular music has become quite automated. Humans have gone to great length to make the music sound more synthetic and robotic. I wonder what the last pop hit that had all live musicians? Now AI seems like the next local step by replacing live vocals and human song writers . But I would imagine there will still be a demand among people to see live performances done by other humans. Not to mention that people have always enjoyed the human drama and hype pop stars seem to always create.
 
Thinking out loud…
… Yesterday I watched a short video/documentary on the Gorillaz The insane story of the non-existent group. They started in 1998 and are still going. Totally made up by a couple of guys, with a detailed story behind each character. Very creative marketing.
I also have been going down the YouTube bunny hole explosion of all things AI, in particular with music and videos.

Put these ideas together and you’ve opened up yet another avenue for music. Maybe we’ll have a bunch of new Gorillaz-type bands… and prey it’s good. Hell, its got to be better than the dreck coming out now… right Rick Beato?

Just another new music avenue to explore.
New Songs, New Bands, New Markets, new possibilities.

And who knows if folks want to see these songs performed live, even more creative avenues to accomplish that.
 
Erberderber said:
Udio was fun for a couple of hours a few weeks ago but now I'm back making stuff from scratch from ideas inside my own head, which is far more satisfying than typing in instructions and hoping for the best.
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I agree mostly with this statement. What I found for myself was opening up ideas for interesting lyrics and song structure. My ~3 days of messing with the Suno and Udio (couple of months ago), I got 3 songs as potential to explore. A groove track, a hard rock track and a reggae track. Playing around with lyrics was fun. The vocals were good. The music performance came out of the gate as pretty impressive. Though I could not manipulate any of it… yet. I just saw a video where you can now manipulate the musical portion.
My point… AI can definitely be another yet another option in our tool chest of music. Yes, some will make it their crutch, but if you’re hitting a wall on creativity, what could this hurt? Nothing.
 
Macarina said:
I agree mostly with this statement. What I found for myself was opening up ideas for interesting lyrics and song structure. My ~3 days of messing with the Suno and Udio (couple of months ago), I got 3 songs as potential to explore. A groove track, a hard rock track and a reggae track. Playing around with lyrics was fun. The vocals were good. The music performance came out of the gate as pretty impressive. Though I could not manipulate any of it… yet. I just saw a video where you can now manipulate the musical portion.
My point… AI can definitely be another yet another option in our tool chest of music. Yes, some will make it their crutch, but if you’re hitting a wall on creativity, what could this hurt? Nothing.
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I might try udio, but I tried chatGPT for lyrics. Meh. I assume it is working about the same as chatGPT, basically knocking off music that is already out there gluing together samples. The problem is I don't care for most of the music out there even within genre's where I like some of the songs.
 
I don’t see anything wrong with using AI to assist a song writer. I’ve used it myself for writing business docs, when I can’t quite put together the correct structure to convey what’s most clear. I’ll put in several command examples, let the machine spit out its output, then take a combo of the outputs and complete my paragraph. Nothing wrong with that.

We all know what’s coming though. Music producers will be pumping out tunes basically free of charge with zero actual talent behind them, then take those hits and create acts based on them. Why take a risk on anyone when you can create the music and control every aspect without artist pushback. It all seems so sterile and soulless.

What’s concerning to me is how soon we won’t know true from fake with anything. With AI, the narrative can be whatever you want, music, videos, news stories, everything.

Less and less interpersonal interactions every day. Music was and at least still is a great escape. Gorillaz was fun enough, but I m seeing a world where that’s pretty much it with new music.

Maybe the music scenes from the original Battlestar Galactica is all we’ll have and forced to “like it”, where any new band to the Caliber of Pink Floyd or Rush will be considered a waste of time….have them audition, steal the style with AI, send them on their way and spoon feed the public from there.
 
I’ve been meaning to try it but it’s just too much work- like programming a drum machine or the like. Who’s got patience for that? Not me
 
I suspect that AI and humans will be in an “arms race” where each keeps improving from the ideas of the the other. I suspect this will keep happening for at least the next 6-10 years.

Meanwhile, I got heat exhaustion today from climbing a telephone pole to fix rural internet at work. I have a real job. Few of you do. You should have chosen better, “AI” can’t take my job anytime soon.

You should have chosen better. Enjoy….being dependent on people like me, I guess 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
 
Seems like since it is created by human hands it’s just gonna produce more human bull crap. But I could be wrong and the creation greater than creator becoming an AI Demi-god that rules all life on earth and all our behaviors will be scrutinized under the watchful A-eye and anyone outta line turned to Soylent green. But I’m thinking it’s the former.
 
I hope y'all are right. But unless it's prohibited contractually I think this is going to hurt a lot of TV and film composers, especially those working on low or lower-budget productions. Sure, Spielberg and Nolan and such are going to use the likes of Williams and Zimmer and Göransson, but someone making a documentary or reality TV show or shoestring-budget horror flick? AI'll probably do them just fine.
 
I think Rick Beato's point is that tech companies are using AI to produce very cheap, copycat pop music to swamp the most popular playlists, thus removing the need to pay creative people who make actual music.If you aren't seen or heard, you aren't being consumed by the public. That is the threat, not the idea of automation in creative music.
The Gorillaz had real musicians and played the music live on tour multiple times by the way. Gorillaz are employing multiple musicians, not excluding real musicians and saving money on their fees.
Again the threat from AI is about tech companies creating content where they don't need to pay anyone (as usual).
 
Chris Whitten said:
Again the threat from AI is about tech companies creating content where they don't need to pay anyone (as usual).
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I, for one, like capitalism. Socialism isn't bad either. Best as I can tell, none of the methods or tools are inherently bad - it's those bleeping greedy humans that foul everything up. The best we can do is support what we like and vote with our pocketbooks.

In my own meaningless opinion, I don't think AI could ever produce the content created by John, Paul, George and Ringo. Or Beethoven. Or Bob Dylan. Or Carole King. Or Stevie Wonder. Or Hank Williams. Or David Bowie. Or...
 
Smoke said:
I, for one, like capitalism. Socialism isn't bad either. Best as I can tell, none of the methods or tools are inherently bad - it's those bleeping greedy humans that foul everything up. The best we can do is support what we like and vote with our pocketbooks.

In my own meaningless opinion, I don't think AI could ever produce the content created by John, Paul, George and Ringo. Or Beethoven. Or Bob Dylan. Or Carole King. Or Stevie Wonder. Or Hank Williams. Or David Bowie. Or...
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I would return to my point about AI pushing humans to do better, who then do better, which pushes the AI farther ….because they are only trained on what humans create
 
No Way Jose said:
If computers are so intelligent then what are they doing in the music business?
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Interesting point. Because they can fail to make money better than humans who fail to make money at music?

Cynically, they were designed to ai wash free speech eg prevent truths from being heard or dissatisfied sentiments to spread. To impose corporate culture on the internet with carefully curated datasets.
 
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