The Ahead comes with a S-Hoops, Fat Cat wires, and a Dunnett (or Trick) strainer, but is roughly $100 more. I have a Ludwig aluminum with S-Hoops, and they are pretty cool.
Not sure if the wires on the PP are high end or not, but the hoops are 2.3 mm (same as the S-Hoop) and the strainer is decent. I had a strainer similar to the Ahead on my Edge, and while it was nice, it was nothing to get excited about - it didn't make the drum sound any better. I have the same strainer on my Pearl that the PP has and it's fine for what it does.
So then it comes down to the shell. Neither are seamless, and are both probably somewhere in the 1.2mm range, so I don't think you're going to hear a huge difference there.
Personally, I think the Ahead looks cooler, but I would probably get the PP anyway (although, I might flip a coin).
I have a Pearl Sensitone Elite that is also right in there: Black on Brass, 2.3 mm hoops, good wires, and at the same price point as the PP BBB. It rocks.
Just my $0.02
So does mine! These are all decent knock-offs though, with the major difference being that the Black Beauties are seamless shells. I don't know how much difference that actually makes. I'd love to do an A-B comparison one of these days....But my heart says Ludwig Black Beauty.lol
If you want a seamless bb-like snare, try a older yamaha symfonic brass or manu or gadd sig.
So does mine! These are all decent knock-offs though, with the major difference being that the Black Beauties are seamless shells. I don't know how much difference that actually makes. I'd love to do an A-B comparison one of these days.
I think you have to be careful about Yamaha: My local drum shop guy informed me that Yamaha used to make seamless brass but doesn't anymore. I was able to independently verify with just the Yamaha website. In fact, I'm inclined to assume that if a company doesn't explicitly state that their shell is seamless, then it probably isn't.
I've wondered about that: why does Pearl make a seamless aluminum Sensitone, but not a seamless brass one - is brass really that much harder to work with??Its even a fact that they stopped producing seamless shells because of the high construction prices. Thats why i said older
Really? I've never heard a more blasphemous comment in all my life! Is that really true??i had a original bb by the way that wasnt seamless to. Still sounded great.
After all these discussions we've had on this - I'm going to have the opportunity in a few weeks. If you'll remember, I have a 14x6.5" BB w/ tube lugs. I'm going to pick up two same-sized Sensitone Elite (the Brass and Au models). If I like the Sensitone enough, I may sell off the BB to cover the cost - since both Pearl snares come in cheaper than a new BB!
I'll post some sounds and pics when I do this...since this topic comes up regularly.
I'm stoked to read the full report! Are you going to make any mods to the Black Beauty (heads, hoops & wires) for a controlled experiment? Better dust off the drum dial, too! Can't wait to hear the clips.
I don't think so - my aluminum supra benefited mightily from switching to 2.3 mm hoops over the stock 1.6 mm hoops. Those are as chintzy as the P-85!I'm guessing Pearls Superhoops and Ludwig's triple-flanged are close enough?
As for sound, I'm willing to bet they're not radically different...but that will probably depend more on the thickness of the shell than whether or not it's spun/seamless. Ludwig's edges are round, too...which no doubt influences the tuning dramatically.
I'll have to take your word for it, since I don't know much about BB history - just what's been out in recent years. You nailed it with the "hearable" difference comment. That's exactly what I'm interested in - like, is it a $350 hearable difference? : )Everything I said is true. Yes it was non seamless AND original. Yes it sounded great. Some company's set theire expanses on a different field. Especially when the hearable difference is so small (a change of head does more to the sound)
I don't think so - my aluminum supra benefited mightily from switching to 2.3 mm hoops over the stock 1.6 mm hoops. Those are as chintzy as the P-85!
Yeah i hear that.I have the 402 which i love but the p-85 is Mickey Mouse considering
the quality of the drum.I love the hoops idea and i'm going to get on that right away.
That's the same drum I have. I got it used but it was completely stock, including the pathetic Ludwig heads (top and bottom).Yeah i hear that.I have the 402 which i love but the p-85 is Mickey Mouse considering the quality of the drum.I love the hoops idea and i'm going to get on that right away.
I've been looking at both and .......