A little S-Hoop History

StickIt

Senior Member
I had been under the impression that the "Stick Saver Hoop" was a Slingerland thing. And while this is not an important piece of info at all, I still found it a little interesting...

From a 1961 Tama (Actually "Star" which was pre-Tama) Catalog:

 

tamadrm

Platinum Member
It IS a Slingerland thing.Slingerland introduced the stick saver hoop in the 50's.Star simply copied it,as they copied lots of American drum company designs.So did Pearl and Yamaha.

They also copied most of the hardware and the sound king lug(Slingerland)and Broadcaster(Gretsch) lug design.Also note the oval badge,the soundking snare lugs and the 3 point strainer.....all used by Slingerland,some from the 40's on.They even copied the bridges used on the Slingerland Radio king snare drums,first introduced in 1936.

Steve B
 

StickIt

Senior Member
Thanks for the reply. None of that surprises me, but it is a nice bit of info on drum history. I didn't even know that Tama (Star) was making drums that far back until yesterday, so I guess my knowledge is lacking in that area. Makes me wonder why they quit putting the S-Hoops on at all though...probably an expense thing?
 

tamadrm

Platinum Member
Thanks for the reply. None of that surprises me, but it is a nice bit of info on drum history. I didn't even know that Tama (Star) was making drums that far back until yesterday, so I guess my knowledge is lacking in that area. Makes me wonder why they quit putting the S-Hoops on at all though...probably an expense thing?
No...style really.The sticksaver hoops last flange of a tripple flange,bends inward.Though similar to the S hoop.it is slightly different,and no doubt was a design inspiration for the S hoop.

Most other triple flange hoops.bend outward.The cost of production is the same.Most drummers just prefered the look of this type of hoop.

Steve B
 
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GruntersDad

Administrator - Mayor
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I like the idea but had no clue they were that old. I would love to put one on my Steam Bent snare and protect the edges.
 

Yoshinya

Senior Member
I've no idea why the outward-flanged triple-flanged hoops became more popular, when the Stick Savers really are much better and definitely don't chew up your sticks nearly as much. Maybe it's a cost thing? Maybe inward-flanged hoops are a bit more expensive to make?

I think that the building popularity of S-Hoops is possibly making some drum manufacturers rethink this, though. Tama just added "Sound Arc" 1.6 mm hoops (basically stick saver hoops) to their Silverstar line, though I'm told this is only for the European market, so far). Additionally, some of the S.L.P. snare drums (Classic Maple, Power Maple, Super Aluminum, Vintage Steel) feature 2.3 mm Sound Arc hoops.

I bought an S.L.P. Vintage Steel late last year, and really love it. I'm a Die-Cast hoop guy, through and through, but these Sound Arcs might be changing my mind on that. I put them on my go-to Tama Starclassic Maple 14" x 5.5" (2003 era, with Sound Focus Rings) and it seemed to open the drum up much more nicely than a set of 2.3 mm triple-flanged I tried on it before.

I'm tempted to order another set of either Sound Arcs or a set of S-Hoops to try on my other snares. I hear that the S-Hoops are a great deal more rigid than a regular Stick Saver-style, though, which might make for even more sonic possibilities. Hmmm..
 

FreDrummer

Silver Member
I hear that the S-Hoops are a great deal more rigid than a regular Stick Saver-style, though, which might make for even more sonic possibilities. Hmmm..
That is the claim -- that they are almost as rigid as die cast, and enhance rimshots, yet retain the openness of triple flanged. I have them on two snares and really like them.
 

tamadrm

Platinum Member
I've no idea why the outward-flanged triple-flanged hoops became more popular, when the Stick Savers really are much better and definitely don't chew up your sticks nearly as much. Maybe it's a cost thing? Maybe inward-flanged hoops are a bit more expensive to make?

I think that the building popularity of S-Hoops is possibly making some drum manufacturers rethink this, though. Tama just added "Sound Arc" 1.6 mm hoops (basically stick saver hoops) to their Silverstar line, though I'm told this is only for the European market, so far). Additionally, some of the S.L.P. snare drums (Classic Maple, Power Maple, Super Aluminum, Vintage Steel) feature 2.3 mm Sound Arc hoops.

I bought an S.L.P. Vintage Steel late last year, and really love it. I'm a Die-Cast hoop guy, through and through, but these Sound Arcs might be changing my mind on that. I put them on my go-to Tama Starclassic Maple 14" x 5.5" (2003 era, with Sound Focus Rings) and it seemed to open the drum up much more nicely than a set of 2.3 mm triple-flanged I tried on it before.

I'm tempted to order another set of either Sound Arcs or a set of S-Hoops to try on my other snares. I hear that the S-Hoops are a great deal more rigid than a regular Stick Saver-style, though, which might make for even more sonic possibilities. Hmmm..
It wasn't a cost thing at all.You simply use a different bending wheel in the press,to bend inward as oppose to outward,so the cost factor is exactly the same.Premier also used that design .

S-hoops are more rigid,because they are thicker,and use more material that typical 2.3 mm triple flange hoops.

Steve B
 

Red Menace

Platinum Member
I bought my father in law one for his LM400 and he loves it. Gives him that extra oomph on the rimshots without drying out the tone.
 

Starship Krupa

Senior Member
I'm catching a small whiff of confusion, so to clarify, an S-Hoop is a recent product, currently marketed by Ahead and Big Bang Distribution.

The Stick Saver was introduced by Slingerland in the 1950's.

The Stick Saver is similar to a standard triple flanged hoop, but with the top rim curved inward to help prevent stick damage.

The S-Hoop's top is more sharply bent inward, and sits closer to the drum head. Part of the idea is to also cover the bearing edge of the drum and thereby protect it from damage.

I've tried both, and I was surprised to find that I prefer the Stick Saver. Rim clicks are an important part of my playing, and I like the rim click of the Stick Saver better. Maybe because the rim sits up higher? Anyway, I have an S-Hoop on my WFL snare, and Stick Savers on all the others.

My kit is a Slingerland, so it came with Stick Savers on all of the drums.

My guess regarding why the Stick Saver style has not seen greater adoption is that Slingerland may have deterred other US manufacturers from using the design. There is a patent on it, now expired.

Anyway, both the S-Hoop and the Stick Saver are improvements over the standard triple flange, and an easy and inexpensive way to customize your drums. The price of one is about the same as two pairs of sticks, so if you're a chopper, they'll pay it back in a matter of weeks.
 

dat yeti

Senior Member
Always wanted to try the original s hoops. I have the new s hoops and they're really nice. Like die casts and flange too.

One thing I've tried is using gibraltar drum bumpers on my flange rims since I want my sticks to last a little longer, and it kinda works, only tried a few times and after so many hits you have to move them back where you want them. No idea if they will last as they probably compress.
 

bobdadruma

Platinum Member
Let us not forget that before there were Stick Saver and S-Hoops, there were sharp and straight Stick Chopper hoops. I have some of these devils neatly tucked away in a wooden crate in my closet with two padlocks on it :) Some evil should be kept locked up and not released on the world.
 

mpthomson

Senior Member
It wasn't a cost thing at all.You simply use a different bending wheel in the press,to bend inward as oppose to outward,so the cost factor is exactly the same.Premier also used that design .

S-hoops are more rigid,because they are thicker,and use more material that typical 2.3 mm triple flange hoops.

Steve B
Point of order, Premier never used stick saver type flanged hoops. What they did do was to put die-cast hoops (which look as though they have a rollover, but it's just the casting) that they called 'cushion rim hoops' on just about everything including toms, except the very cheapest ranges, which originally had single flange and then 'normal' triple flange hoops.

Premier still use the basic design of these diecast hoops to this day.
 

tamadrm

Platinum Member
Point of order, Premier never used stick saver type flanged hoops. What they did do was to put die-cast hoops (which look as though they have a rollover, but it's just the casting) that they called 'cushion rim hoops' on just about everything including toms, except the very cheapest ranges, which originally had single flange and then 'normal' triple flange hoops.

Premier still use the basic design of these diecast hoops to this day.
While Premiers were in fact die cast,the design,was the same as stick savers.They were flanged inward,the same way stick savers(aka rim shot) are,and the two designs resemble one another.

Steve B
 
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