ottog1979
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Just sent this to two of my favorite guitar players. Love this!I DARE you to get into an argument about this with your 3 favorite guitar players you’ve gigged with. I DARE you lol
Just sent this to two of my favorite guitar players. Love this!I DARE you to get into an argument about this with your 3 favorite guitar players you’ve gigged with. I DARE you lol
If Grandma had wheels, she'd be a wagon. What’s your point?If I plug 2 different guitars into the same Amp one after the other , they sound different . Les Paul then another Les Paul.. All things being equal. well they're not..
What does any of that have to do with the principle of physics described in the video? The point of the video is how sound is produced, not what the sound is. Of course what the sound is is important, but that’s a different topic.What's Yours? Someone playing you tube videos to people all over the world all listening to different speakers in different rooms in different weather with different hearing capabilities is proof that things are as they are.. Go Grannie Go!
You keep saying that, but I'm not sure it's true. Sonor was selling drums with that catalog. The sound is the whole and entire point of a drum. The physics part just explained why they chose a certain design.The point of the video is how sound is produced, not what the sound is. Of course what the sound is is important, but that’s a different topic.
It doesn’t need to be ”proven“ in a Sonor marketing piece. It is a principle of physics. It happens everywhere.You keep saying that, but I'm not sure it's true. Sonor was selling drums with that catalog. The sound is the whole and entire point of a drum. The physics part just explained why they chose a certain design.
Yes, the physics part doesn't need to be proven, but the OP was about a Sonor marketing catalog, not just physics. The guy actually READS from the catalog. Anytime anyone has said anything about the totality of a drum's sound, or expressed a preference for thin shells or a certain wood, you've kind of poo-pooed it, even to the point of saying "If you're not on board, you're not understanding." I don't accept that. There are those who understand the physics just fine, but also recognize that the OP wasn't strictly about physics, but was about physics as applied to drum design, expressed in a drum advertisement.It doesn’t need to be ”proven“ in a Sonor marketing piece. It is a principle of physics. It happens everywhere.
Let’s look at speaker cabinets. I designed over 40 of them for Peavey so I have a bit of experience. When the speaker vibrates the cabinet some of loudness is lost. When you go back and stiffen the boxes with thicker walls or stiffer plywood (such as birch instead of common fir) or braces the boxes will get measurably louder AND the frequency responce will change. Go check out the crazy hi-fi guys building concrete speaker boxes. When you vibrate the box energy that could have otherwise been audible sound is lost in vibrating the box. The energy itself doesn’t go away. Some of it becomes resonance which is what changes the frequency response but most of it becomes heat and is therefore trapped as kinetic energy and stored in the box. Don’t think that happens? Well drop that box on your foot and you will feel that kinetic energy disappated from the box into your now smashed foot
So yes, the physics part explains why they chose their designs or others choose other designs. Each is trying to design for a sound they desire. The physics just describes which knob to twist to help achieve it.
Ok ..,but look at the title. That’s the point of his piece. Who care about his, mine or your opinion as to what sounds best. Everyone gets to have an opinion. When I said not on board I meant specifically with the physics and not to anyone’s opinion. Opinions are neither right or wrong … they are just opinions. But most people don’t pay any attention to the mechanism. And so whether one chooses to learn what is actually going on or not doesn’t matter. It still goes onYes, the physics part doesn't need to be proven, but the OP was about a Sonor marketing catalog, not just physics. The guy actually READS from the catalog. Anytime anyone has said anything about the totality of a drum's sound, or expressed a preference for thin shells or a certain wood, you've kind of poo-pooed it, even to the point of saying "If you're not on board, you're not understanding." I don't accept that.
Haha!! Fair enough. The thread title does mention physics, lol. I think we all know how this stuff works by now. The horse is dead, and my arm is tired.Ok ..,but look at the title. That’s the point of his piece. Who care about his, mine or your opinion as to what sounds best. Everyone gets to have an opinion. When I said not on board I meant specifically with the physics and not to anyone’s opinion. Opinions are neither right or wrong … they are just opinions. But most people don’t pay any attention to the mechanism. And so whether one chooses to learn what is actually going on or not doesn’t matter. It still goes on
Analogies suck but think about this one. If you get shot with a bullet, you don’t die from the bullet, you die from loss of blood that follows. Everyone here seems to be talking about the bullet and not about the loss of blood that could come from a thousand different ways. Bullet with no loss of blood is no problem. Loss of blood with no bullet is. Gotta pay attention to the part that actually moves the needle.
Are there any German speaking bros out there that can confirm that Chester Thomas purchase receipt?
Was that 50,000 euros for a sonor drum set?
YT title should change from "physics analysis" to "reading an old catalog" or "Sonor bedtime stories". We all could have done the same thing while sitting on the john.The guy actually READS from the catalog.
Close but not really. The Phonics were 9ply beech shells, then you added the veneer on top of that. Each ply of veneer was an additional 1mm. So for example the rosewood inside out Phonics are 11mm.interesting when Sonor decides- revives a series from their past they bring back the sharktooth/+/- era .
Question:
Can you spec a SQ2 - today- with the exact shell composition of the 70s Phonics?
sort of like the Paiste Sound Creation cymbal series was/is/was to Paiste.../ kidding
How come no mention of shell material besides/ V/T/M/H and Acr/ on the charts/ whats what
what's/ where's/ the material/option there;