Al Strange
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It’s all gonna kick off now!!! ? ?All tacos taste the same.
It’s all gonna kick off now!!! ? ?All tacos taste the same.
I think this is my best work yetIt may have taken countless attempts but finally, a cohesive and well constructed theory spoken by a true voice of reason in amongst a melee of illogical meanderings! ? Very thought provoking and surprisingly emotive thread...nice work @bearblastbeats!
Okay that was an epic fail. Couldn't even get the 13, 16, 18" floors to sound the same. The 16 and 18 I could get real close, but there is still a roundness to the drum that cant be changed. If I try to tune to the 13, I fear for the 18 and the 10 goes splat. Fun waste of time for sure.This whole thread makes me want to try to tune ALL my drums the same. See how narrow of a range I can get them all in, 10" - 18".
I don't agree that all the differences are slight - some are fairly significant, many are slight. Expand the range of heads demonstrated and the differences would be even greater.I mean there are differences but they are so slight. Do you think anyone in a live situation would hear a difference?
Just so we are clear, I completely disagree that only heads matter in the sound. I’m just posting this video to show how anything can be manipulated to make it fit a specific narrative.
What’s your stance on tacos @Andy? ?I don't agree that all the differences are slight - some are fairly significant, many are slight. Expand the range of heads demonstrated and the differences would be even greater.
In a live situation unmic'd, or primarily through overheads, yes, I'd hear a difference. In a recording situation, I'd certainly hear a difference. In applications with all close mic's on a loud live stage, especially with additional dampening and / or substantial processing, then no, the head type becomes almost irrelevant.
Not directed at you at all and nobody in particular. You're awesome and I wouldn't want to give the impression it was aimed at you. I appreciate your views.If this was directed to me, I wasn’t mocking anyone or the video. It was more a comment about TuneBot getting you to where you want to be faster. Mud or otherwise. In other words, the user is in control.
Let’s not misconstrued TONE for SOUND...
Smashing up his porcelain bell collection hopefully...I wonder what the bat is for?
What is the difference?
So if you close your eyes and hear something, how do you determine whether you are hearing “sound” or “tone”?
I have no idea how your assertion has to do with this discussion???
I don't agree that all the differences are slight - some are fairly significant, many are slight. Expand the range of heads demonstrated and the differences would be even greater.
In a live situation unmic'd, or primarily through overheads, yes, I'd hear a difference. In a recording situation, I'd certainly hear a difference. In applications with all close mic's on a loud live stage, especially with additional dampening and / or substantial processing, then no, the head type becomes almost irrelevant.
From a crappy cell phone video? In a very loud room at NAMM? No.Does anyone think after listening to all twelve and then listening to only one of them out of sequence they could pick it out by ear ten times out of ten?
I’d add the original point wasn’t there is no difference or even that sometimes the difference doesn’t matter. The point was the level of hype some marketing puts out around shells and some drummers buy into is silly. Especially when it pushes inexperienced drummers to shell out way too much for things that don’t matter for them.I agree with what Andy says here. And I'll add this:
I have played a lot of backline drum sets and a lot of other drum sets that were owned by other drummers. There are three things that have the most influence on the sound of the drums. And they are: the age of the drum heads, tuning of the heads and dampening of the drums (over dampening).
There are other things that I have found that can create some pretty ugly sounding drums. Poor construction, very cheap and damaged wood shells, bad bearing edges and out of round shells and hoops.
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