DrumEatDrum
Platinum Member
I often record using a Roland TD-10 electronic drum set for kick, snare and toms, with microphones on real cymbals. This is much cheaper and easier than buying and setting up microphones for the full drum set, and spending hours getting drum tones.
The issue is latency between the when a pad is struck, and the sound going through the TD-10 in into Protools. The issue is not latency with in the computer or Protools itself.
I set up a test example, here is one Roland pad, with an SM57 to pick up the sound of the stick hitting the pad. All routed to the same 002R
I've set Protools to record the audio from the SM75, the audio coming out of the TD-10, and the midi coming out of the TD-10.
When I hit the pad, it first appears both audio sources and the midi all record at the same time
Screen shot:
But when looking at the hits in closer detail, it becomes very apparent that the sound from the mic is picked up by Protools much quicker than the audio from the TD-10 or the midi, causing the audio of the TD-10 to be behind where I actually strike the drum pad.
Screen shot:
I've repeated this test at both maximum and minimum buffer sizes in Protools, with the same results.
I've repeated this test with several different Roland and Pintech pads with the same results
I've done many recordings in the past using this set up, without many issues. It suddenly became an issue when I upgraded to Protools 8.0 (now running 8.1).
It appears as if the trigger to midi in the TD-10 is slower than a microphone hooked up to Protools.
My guesses are:
1) The TD-10 is getting old, or is just plain outdated.
2) This problem has always been there, but the faster speed of Protools 8.1 processes the microphone audio so quickly that the difference are becoming more apparent than when I used Protools 7.0
3) This problem has always been there, I'm just now noticing how bad it is.
Model Identifier: MacPro4,1
Processor Name: Quad-Core Intel Xeon
Processor Speed: 2.26 GHz
Number Of Processors: 2
Total Number Of Cores: 8
Memory: 6 GB
Running leopard (have not upgraded to snow leopard).
Using an 002R, purchased new 4 years ago.
Any comments, solutions, or ideas are welcome.
I do realize I can just move the TD-10 audio to line up with the microphone, but it's a pain in the rear to do this every single time.
Especially when trying to determine if the track has the right feel.
Thank you.
The issue is latency between the when a pad is struck, and the sound going through the TD-10 in into Protools. The issue is not latency with in the computer or Protools itself.
I set up a test example, here is one Roland pad, with an SM57 to pick up the sound of the stick hitting the pad. All routed to the same 002R
I've set Protools to record the audio from the SM75, the audio coming out of the TD-10, and the midi coming out of the TD-10.
When I hit the pad, it first appears both audio sources and the midi all record at the same time
Screen shot:
But when looking at the hits in closer detail, it becomes very apparent that the sound from the mic is picked up by Protools much quicker than the audio from the TD-10 or the midi, causing the audio of the TD-10 to be behind where I actually strike the drum pad.
Screen shot:
I've repeated this test at both maximum and minimum buffer sizes in Protools, with the same results.
I've repeated this test with several different Roland and Pintech pads with the same results
I've done many recordings in the past using this set up, without many issues. It suddenly became an issue when I upgraded to Protools 8.0 (now running 8.1).
It appears as if the trigger to midi in the TD-10 is slower than a microphone hooked up to Protools.
My guesses are:
1) The TD-10 is getting old, or is just plain outdated.
2) This problem has always been there, but the faster speed of Protools 8.1 processes the microphone audio so quickly that the difference are becoming more apparent than when I used Protools 7.0
3) This problem has always been there, I'm just now noticing how bad it is.
Model Identifier: MacPro4,1
Processor Name: Quad-Core Intel Xeon
Processor Speed: 2.26 GHz
Number Of Processors: 2
Total Number Of Cores: 8
Memory: 6 GB
Running leopard (have not upgraded to snow leopard).
Using an 002R, purchased new 4 years ago.
Any comments, solutions, or ideas are welcome.
I do realize I can just move the TD-10 audio to line up with the microphone, but it's a pain in the rear to do this every single time.
Especially when trying to determine if the track has the right feel.
Thank you.