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they do like studio work, but ive teched for peopel who have birch drums live and they work well could also look into beech and mahogany? yeah thick shells have a higher fundamental pitch ive found.I have read birch are designed for studio work. I play live acoustic and in my own practice space mostly. I have tried Tama Granstars and I really didn't like how much attack they had and felt like they lacked body, but those are REALLY thick drums.
you seemed pretty determined on that particular kit, you should just get thatAre Pearl Reference drums worth a go? They have mixed in Mahogany and round over edges with the bigger diameter drums? The Reference are thicker than the Reference Pure but I have read Reference Pure are more for recording and small gigs, so I would go with Reference.
honestly any drum can sound like any drum. Every drum is resonant, every drum can sound "warm" with the right heads and muffling and every drum is projecting. It's a matter of hardware preference, tiny sound differences and most importantly appearance that are the biggest differences. Just buy any drum you like and you will like it. if you are after a particular sound then get some mics and a DAW because processing and effects are the biggest sound alterers, not drum material or how "projecting" and "warm" the kit is.No I’m not set on anything. If you read the whole thread you’ll notice those particular drums include a number of things that have been suggested to me. This is why I brought them up. I’m open to any suggestions.
Yes birch is focused and cutting aka pre-eq’d, which is quite the opposite of what your after.I have read birch are designed for studio work. I play live acoustic and in my own practice space mostly. I have tried Tama Granstars and I really didn't like how much attack they had and felt like they lacked body, but those are REALLY thick drums.
Everything is great here...except projection generally means thick shells. Which counters the warmth/resonance/requirement. Warm, resonant, low fundamental...large diameter thin shells will give you all of this. But projection too? If you play unmiced, thicker shells will offer more "cut" If you play miced then absolutely thin FTWWhat I am after:
- projecting
- warm
- resonant
- low fundamental
- large diameters
Hi Uncle Larry I did want to add that sensitivity would be at stake the more plies added.Everything is great here...except projection generally means thick shells. Which counters the warmth/resonance/requirement. Warm, resonant, low fundamental...large diameter thin shells will give you all of this. But projection too? If you play unmiced, thicker shells will offer more "cut" If you play miced then absolutely thin FTW
TBH I don't know that there's that much volume difference between thick and thin shells. Maybe certain frequencies will be accentuated, but overall decibels (not perceived volume) IMO are not too far from each other. Perceived volume will normally go to the thicker shell for most perceived volume. Which doesn't necessarily mean it's louder on a decibel meter.
The less mass something has, the lower fundamental it will have, fact. So right there thin shells have less mass and generally a lower fundamental. Thicker shell, more mass, higher fundamental. Lug/hardware weight comes into play here as well
I'm not certain what the ply orientation does for the drums but the Design Series do low tuning well. They project wonderfully and produce a thunderous, open sound. You need to replace the stock heads to achieve this but that's standard practice for the majority of buyers anyway.Is there anything to their HVLT shells for being any extra lower in fundamental than other shells of the same thickness? Just curious.
I kind of half expected to get flamed because I am being so picky.
I'm going with not a big volume difference between thick and thin shells. It's based on nothing, except my gut feeling.There in lines the real question of this thread: how much louder are thicker shells vs thinner shells? Perhaps it’s only a mere fraction.
I'm certainly not one to comment on drums, but I think that observation is something that applies to "stuff" in generalThey are what I grew up with (80’s and 90’s drums). The thinner drums of today just sound wimpy to my ears.