Paul Blood
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Karen had better hands.
I would certainly think so!
Karen had better hands.
Tell that to my knees.Whipper-snapper
I liked the bass drum feel on the section starting at 2:28.Seems like chick had chocks to me:
There is a YouTube vid that shows her sitting at a kit that has 10 maybe more drums, haven’t looked at it in awhile, but her wrists look and act like they are suspended they work so smooth and fast. In the 70s when we had 2 mounted and 2 floor toms we referred to “around the horn” My goal was to get as fast as the drummers in the major Soft Rock groups. After seeing that vid on Karen I agree that she was among the great drummers. There are a few gals in YouTube right now that make some of the guys look ordinary. Maybe it has something to do with those skinny arms and typical female dexterity and not overdeveloped triceps.Is it just me or do people tend to underrate Karen Carpenter as a great drummer? I mean, the woman could sing in a gorgeous 3 octave range and keep a beat at the same time. John Bonham couldn't do that. Then they made her stop playing. If you look up videos online you can see how flipping happy it made her to be behind a drum kit. She always thought of herself as a drummer who sang. It really sucks that they took her happy place away from her. What a gift she had. She could play some crazy hard time signatures too. If they allowed her to have more input in the music she and Richard would have been a force and a half. Kind of like Billie Eilish and her brother Finneas. Finneas is a production genius and Billie can sing the living daylights out of a song. An interesting side note is that Billie said she always thought Finneas had a better voice than her. Karen didn't think her own voice was that great either.
Apparently her divorce was a trigger for it getting worse. She had a short and very bad marriage.
I don't know if I already mentioned this or not but after her death one of her best friends, Frenda Franklin was interviewed by The New York Times. Frenda said: "If anorexia has been classified as a young woman's struggle for control, then Karen was a prime candidate, for the two things she valued most in the world--her voice and her mother's love--were exclusively the property of Richard. At least she would control the size of her own body." Pretty sobering. I mean, they wouldn't let her truly be herself because they wanted to maintain that squeaky clean image, they wouldn't let her put out a solo album, her mom never told her "I love you". After she died Richard was saying that after that everyone forgot about him. It's because she was finally at peace. It also brought more awareness to something that was not a very well known condition. Her family didn't realize anorexia nervosa wasn't just a physical condition but it was also an emotional one. I think in her case half of it was about weight and the other half was about just being able to control what she put in her mouth. Her psychiatrist said that the fact that she was taking not only the laxatives but the thyroid medication to speed up her metabolism blew him away. He said in all the years he'd been practicing he had never seen anyone take it to the extreme that Karen had.Karen was awesome... I wish she’d realised that herself...?
Blaine simply stated that - contrary to the belief of the parents - she wasn't up to the task yet, which is completely okay. Playing in studio is different to playing on stage/before an audience. And yes, it takes time to get to know the acoustics of a studio, the microphones (You don't become an astronaut overnight, too, right?). It ain't like ... "Hey I know how to drum, so let me do the studio session. I intuitively know what to do and don't need to gain any experience and learn something beforehand in order to nail it.". Sorry, whoever thinks that it is THAT simple ignores the reality. Blaine knew what he was talking about and no, there is a difference between arrogace and knowledge. ...Knowledge is often perceived as arrogance by ignorants, as they say.Karen not a studio drummer? Whatever. I’ve seen her perform on TV and straight-up KILL it. Hal was full of it on that one.
Blaine simply stated that - contrary to the belief of the parents - she wasn't up to the task yet, which is completely okay. Playing in studio is different to playing on stage/before an audience. And yes, it takes time to get to know the acoustics of a studio, the microphones (You don't become an astronaut overnight, too, right?). It ain't like ... "Hey I know how to drum, so let me do the studio session. I intuitively know what to do and don't need to gain any experience and learn something beforehand in order to nail it.". Sorry, whoever thinks that it is THAT simple ignores the reality. Blaine knew what he was talking about and no, there is a difference between arrogace and knowledge. ...Knowledge is often perceived as arrogance by ignorants, as they say.
My 2 cents
Blaine simply stated that - contrary to the belief of the parents - she wasn't up to the task yet, which is completely okay. Playing in studio is different to playing on stage/before an audience. And yes, it takes time to get to know the acoustics of a studio, the microphones (You don't become an astronaut overnight, too, right?). It ain't like ... "Hey I know how to drum, so let me do the studio session. I intuitively know what to do and don't need to gain any experience and learn something beforehand in order to nail it.". Sorry, whoever thinks that it is THAT simple ignores the reality. Blaine knew what he was talking about and no, there is a difference between arrogace and knowledge. ...Knowledge is often perceived as arrogance by ignorants, as they say.
My 2 cents
Either way she was fabulous. Still love her velvet voice and song choices. Gone far too soon.Yes, Blaine was speaking specifically about studio recording, which a "fine drummer" who was "just as good as other drummers on tv" would surely pick up eventually. He wasn't putting down her general playing skills. As I understand it, the main reason why Karen moved from behind the kit to the front of the stage is that's what the audience wanted. They wanted to see the pretty lady out front serenading them, not wailing on buckets in the background, or at least that's what corporate was telling her.
Not a fan of either Karen or Billie but comparing the two seems like sacrilege, is like saying Britney Spears can sing.... just like Witney Houston can sing...Anybody can breathe at the mic and call it singing. Is Kanye talented because he writes lyrics and talks (he doesn't sing) about them?Is it just me or do people tend to underrate Karen Carpenter as a great drummer? I mean, the woman could sing in a gorgeous 3 octave range and keep a beat at the same time. John Bonham couldn't do that. Then they made her stop playing. If you look up videos online you can see how flipping happy it made her to be behind a drum kit. She always thought of herself as a drummer who sang. It really sucks that they took her happy place away from her. What a gift she had. She could play some crazy hard time signatures too. If they allowed her to have more input in the music she and Richard would have been a force and a half. Kind of like Billie Eilish and her brother Finneas. Finneas is a production genius and Billie can sing the living daylights out of a song. An interesting side note is that Billie said she always thought Finneas had a better voice than her. Karen didn't think her own voice was that great either.
You just won the boring person of the day award. It is ok to not live your life "By the book" or to "Think outside the box" sometimes...I'm not in the habit of discussing "what could have been" under different circumstances. Speculation is a reshaping of reality, and a considerable serving of wishful fiction is always part of the recipe. As an expression of respect for Miss Carpenter's achievements, I will state merely that her voice was exquisite beyond compare and that her recordings are a gift to anyone with ears. Our heritage of music would be reduced without her contributions.
You just won the boring person of the day award. It is ok to not live your life "By the book" or to "Think outside the box" sometimes...
Karen was no different from mega music performers in that the main stream record executives dictated what they would record that would make money not necessarily showcase the performers genre' skills. During the 60s Columbia's A&R man was Mitch Miller. He took some great ballad singers and had them record novelty tunes that most of them didn't want to do.Not a fan of either Karen or Billie but comparing the two seems like sacrilege, is like saying Britney Spears can sing.... just like Witney Houston can sing...Anybody can breathe at the mic and call it singing. Is Kanye talented because he writes lyrics and talks (he doesn't sing) about them?
I don't like Rap but find that Eminem's songs have a much more thought out approach to phrasing than a lot of other "artists"...
Karen allowed them to take her happy place away can't feel sorry for her because of that... you fight for what you want.. yes she is underrated.