Well, Neil Peart managed it....
Neil Peart managed what? Please don't say playing jazz. That's offensive.
Listen to his chops.
There is Buddy Rich feel in much of what he is doing.
As for BR:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jDNzwVrmIc
As for what is jazz,to paraphrase the supreme court ,I know when I hear it.
Lot's of folks stuck in the dotted eighth sixteenth note era of the 50's and 60's when folks like Kenton and Don Ellis had pushed it way beyond that cliche.
Chops does not make jazz. Coming from Buddy or anyone else. Did they have them? Some did – some didn’t but chops is not what makes it swing. Also – jazz was around LONG before the 50’s/60’s. Swung REAL hard too.
Did the feel and approach evolve? Of course, no different than any other genre (hopefully).
Good answer KamaK. I have a real problem relating to the old school jazz. The samba makes sense to me. It might be the traditional jazz, like the stuff where the kick hardly ever plays that he's talking about. It's like there's no groove.
It takes a while to get into groove-less drumming. ….
A ton of groove. You just can’t find it because you can’t relate to it perhaps. It’s MORE than there though. Again the way in which it’s stated has changed over time as part of the evolution of the music. Big Sid stated it differently than Tony Williams who stated it differently than Jeff Watts. And yes. Brian Blade as cited.
never heard a metal or rock guy play jazz convincingly at all ... the animal is just to different to flip that switch and sound authentic
also to me ...notice I said to me ...everything that follows is my opinion... and being a person who plays the music for a living I believe I am qualified .
jazz is not something you learn, it is something you live
many players pick up a Riley book and an Art Blakey album ... maybe even get themselves a new ride cymbal and have a go ... but unless you immerse yourself in the music and fall in love... unless you go back to the beginning and and understand the origins of the vocabulary listening almost obsessively ... unless you seek out every performance in your area and watch the masters perform and absorb everything happening on the bandstand.... unless you go to open jams and fall on your face and stay around for the hang, because from the hang comes the gigs ... and unless you get out on those gigs where you barely know some of the guys you are playing with and playing things that are completely unplanned and happening in the moment .... until you can assimilate and innovate all that vocabulary you spent all that time emulating to the point where you can express it second nature ... stream of consciousness while having a musical conversation with someone you quite possibly may have just met ... until your touch and phrases authentically come off your limbs as if you were comfortably speaking to friends ...
... until then you are not living jazz ... you are learning some jazz type phrases and most likely gaining some facility that you will eventually assist you in the very music that does have your whole heart
... but if jazz does not have your whole heart it is nothing more than a temporary phase most likely ...
there is nothing wrong with that ... everyone goes through their "jazz phase"
that doesn't mean you cannot have fun and learn from it
it will make you sound better with a better touch and feel in any style of music you play
I’m not as qualified as Anthony is to make the statements he’s made since I don’t play music for a living. That being said, I was born into a family with a Dad who was a jazz drummer and an uncle who was a jazz saxophonist. I was raised on the music and the history of it. I didn’t know any other genre existed until I was about 10 years old.
I began learning how to play the music on drums when I was 10 and have done so ever since. Not only with teachers – but like the manner Anthony has stated – with players. I began playing with live players by the time I was 11.
The gigs aren’t there anymore where I live to do the hangs and such, but I did then when they were. Got shredded on the bandstand by many but the next time, I came back fighting that much harder until I was the one getting calls for the gigs.
By the way - I ABSOLUTELY SUCK TERRIBLY at playing standard backbeat music. I'm terrible and I simply don't care.
My rock groove is laughable and no one should ever be subjected to hearing it. Not even me.