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Old 07-03-2005, 02:23 PM
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Default THE HALF TIME BERNARD PURDIE SHUFFLE

This is the official thread for all things shuffled a la purdie. go here for a free video lesson:
http://jasonhorsler.tripod.com/id64.html

i have just read the whole thread of ''favourite groove to play'' and the one groove that seems to be mentioned over and over by many of you is the half time shuffle.
i would like to gather a list of all the songs that incorporate this beat or its family.

the ones we seem to know so far are:

roseanna - toto
fool in the rain - zeppellin

where else has it been used? raid your CDs and see if you can spot it.

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Old 07-03-2005, 04:58 PM
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mike and toms excellent adventure - dream theater

On DVD set with Mike Portnoy

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In the movie payback with mel gibson, they feature a chase scene with this groove

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thats all i can remember for now
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Old 07-03-2005, 04:59 PM
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ps: afterthought you might want to mention that it is also referred to the 12/8 shuffle

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Old 07-03-2005, 05:15 PM
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When the World Ends, by Dave Matthews Band, played by Carter Beauford, of the album Everyday.

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Old 07-04-2005, 01:16 AM
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found this video explanation here

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Old 07-04-2005, 04:31 AM
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Default Re: the half time or purdy shuffle

Why not let's explain Jeff Porcaro himself:

Rosanna

Or Bernard Purdie:

Purdie Shuffle

Or John Bonham, just the groove:

John Bonham

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Old 07-04-2005, 05:16 AM
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Default Re: the half time or purdy shuffle

Great videos, guys. All now saved to my hard drive.
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Old 07-04-2005, 11:25 AM
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check out some steely dan cd's that bernard played on. That groove lives on some of the tunes on "Asia" I think, but im not positive.


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Old 07-04-2005, 06:34 PM
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Default Re: the half time or purdy shuffle

O H M Y ... i just heard the bonham link above for the first time in my life bonzo by himself. what a sound!!! i would give my top teeth to sound like that. what a great drumbeat, and sound. no click track just a perfect single take. he is the greatest.

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Old 07-04-2005, 07:28 PM
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agreed. i kinda have to put this and the gadd paradiddle groove at the top of the list of all time groove. Then there is the Stubblefield/Starks funkydrummer groove...cant forget about good 'ol james brown
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Default Re: the half time or purdy shuffle

I hope you guys are happy. I've had that half time shuffle stuck in my head since last night.
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Old 07-04-2005, 07:35 PM
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time to make it worse.

its tabbed out here





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Old 07-04-2005, 07:52 PM
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dog can you move this into tecnique and make it a sticky? and the gadd groove too? i see a lot of people searching these two.

thoughts?
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Default Re: the half time or purdy shuffle

I agree, it has morphed into a technique discussion, and a good one. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Old 07-05-2005, 07:55 PM
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Default Re: the half time or purdy shuffle

The tune on Aja is "Home at Last" and the groove also appears again (courtesy of Bernard "Pretty Boy" Purdie) on "Babylon Sister" on the Gaucho CD.
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Default Re: the half time or purdy shuffle

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time to make it worse.

its tabbed out here





how do you guys play that groove...i would really like to apply that in my drumming in church....
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Old 07-05-2005, 09:48 PM
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im pretty sure there is a song from jars of clay with this groove in it...ill try to find it.
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Old 07-05-2005, 10:04 PM
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Isn't that used in "Babylon Sisters"? I think it's that or a variation of it.
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Isn't that used in "Babylon Sisters"? I think it's that or a variation of it.
*sifts through memory cells, listens to Babylon Sisters in my mind*

Yup, I do believe you are correct.
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Old 07-05-2005, 10:48 PM
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Default Re: the half time or purdy shuffle

There are so many songs that incorporate the half time shuffle! I have been working on perfecting this shuffle for about 1 1/2 years and I find something new with it everyday! Those ghost notes on snare are killers (AKA Babylon Sisters and Rossana).

I thought that I would add some Canadian content for the half time shuffle. There is a song by a guitarist named Kim Mitchell called " All We Are" which is another great example of a half time shuffle. This shuffle is aply performed by a Toronto based drummer named Paul DeLong. Very heavy player!!!!
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Old 07-06-2005, 07:50 PM
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Hey thanks for the tab on the Purdie shuffle. I've wanting to learn this, but just can't seem to get it.... I love hearing this groove....


Another groove I love hearing and can slop through is Joe Morello's groove on "Take Five"...heck, I love his playing on "Blue Rondo a la Turk" as well....
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Old 07-07-2005, 07:26 PM
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Oi, in trying to play the Purdie Shuffle last night after seeing it written out, I think my problem is I'm not hearing/feeling my left hand (second note of the triplet) as the middle. I'm hearing it/feeling it as the first note.


Besides playing the groove slowly over and over, anybody have any suggestions on how to get the feel of this one?
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Old 07-07-2005, 10:28 PM
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Default Re: the half time or purdy shuffle

start with hands only and don't ghost the note. really concentrate on the triplet feel. then put a bass drum beat at every 'one'. really slow and then when you can play at speed without losing the triplet shuffle then start ghosting and building in the half time snare and bass patterns.


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Old 07-08-2005, 12:06 AM
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Porcaro breaks it up really nicely, explaing the triplets in it. I actually like what Rick Latham does with the groove, look at the Drum Clinic section for the video.
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Old 07-09-2005, 02:45 AM
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Default Re: the half time or purdy shuffle

Thanks so much you guys. I've learned a lot by reading this discussion.

I think I've got the Purdie shuffle down now, but I'm not sure if I'm picking up the Fool in the Rain and Rosanna shuffles right or not. Would someone mind helping me out a little? In the Rosanna shuffle, are the bass hits on 1, 2&, and 4 of the first measure and then then 1&, 3, and 4& of the second measure?

And in fool in the rain, is it 1, 2&, 4, 4&, then 2&, 4&?

That's what I think I'm hearing, but the shuffle feel makes it harder to count. I'd try to play along with the cd, but I'm still way slower than Porcaro.

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Old 07-09-2005, 03:45 AM
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Muchas gracias. I'll try this...it may take me a bit (we're in the middle of moving right now, so you can guess how much practice time I'm getting).


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start with hands only and don't ghost the note. really concentrate on the triplet feel. then put a bass drum beat at every 'one'. really slow and then when you can play at speed without losing the triplet shuffle then start ghosting and building in the half time snare and bass patterns.


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O H M Y ... i just heard the bonham link above for the first time in my life bonzo by himself. what a sound!!! i would give my top teeth to sound like that. what a great drumbeat, and sound. no click track just a perfect single take. he is the greatest.

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like i said on the bonzo thread in the drummers forum.... i have a whole bunch of bonham drum outtakes. they surfaced on the harmony central forum ages back and as you can imagine, there was a real rush to download them. so if you want, i can mail a few (or all, time permitting) to you....
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my way of learning difficult beats is to put them into a drum machine. it helps me hear the beat properly and at all tempos.. (that's what i'm starting to do with gary chester's book, New Breed)

anyway, i programmed the shuffle into the redrum machine in Reason 3.0. sounds pretty cool with the 'dub kit'. mp3 attached. if anyone uses reason and want the .rns file let me know.

edit - edited the file to accent the hihat properly. also added a slower version. shows how a drum machine helps.
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File Type: mp3 halftime_shuffle_80bpm.mp3 (281.5 KB, 1033 views)

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Old 07-09-2005, 07:40 PM
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Thanks Jookbox, that really helps. For some reason, its a lot easier to pick out exactly where each beat falls. I'll have to try doing that myself.
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Old 07-11-2005, 04:47 PM
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here's fool in the rain. though it is hard to express the shuffle triplets with this type of charting. i'm looking mainly at the bassdrum pattern here.

the challenge is for one of you guys to copy this and add the hihat foot accent. where does it go? let's see who gets it in the right places first.

CY|X-----------------------|------------------------|
HH|------X-----X---X-X---X-|X---X-X-X---X---X-X-X---|
SN|------------X-----------|------------X-----------| ETC ETC
BD|X---X-----X-----------X-|X---X-----X-----------X-|


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ps: listen to the drummerworld link in the thread above to hear that beautiful left foot work of bonzo's.
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my way of learning difficult beats is to put them into a drum machine. it helps me hear the beat properly and at all tempos.. (that's what i'm starting to do with gary chester's book, New Breed)

anyway, i programmed the shuffle into the redrum machine in Reason 3.0. sounds pretty cool with the 'dub kit'. mp3 attached. if anyone uses reason and want the .rns file let me know.

edit - edited the file to accent the hihat properly. also added a slower version. shows how a drum machine helps.
Yes, i was wondering if having a drum machine or dm software would help out learning complex rythms. Do you use software or an actual drum machine?
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i use Reason 3.0 (software)
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come on folks who knows where the hat accent goes in fool in the rain?
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CY|X-----------------------|------------------------|
HH|------X-----X---X-X---X-|X---X-X-X---X---X-X-X---|

SN|------------X-----------|------------X-----------| ETC ETC
BD|X---X-----X-----------X-|X---X-----X-----------X-|
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It's on the swing beat right before the 2, right? Like the third note of the triplet of the first beat of the measure.
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Hey, man.
I'm purdy possitive that its just on a1 a2 a3 a4... because it's a shuffle. Check this out- http://drummerworld.com/Videos/jeffporcaro.html

PLAY IT SLOW! it's so much fun to play, but you gotta make it groove before you go crazy with it. That's the way shuffles are meant to be played. If it doesnt groove you might as well not play it.

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Isn't that used in "Babylon Sisters"? I think it's that or a variation of it.
Bernard Purdy plays his shuffle on Steely Dan's "Babylon Sisters" and "Home at Last."
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Bernard Purdy plays his shuffle on Steely Dan's "Babylon Sisters" and "Home at Last."
YES!!! Those are the BEST songs to practice your half-time shuffle to.

There was a great ariticle in Modern Drummer by Ron Spagnardi a while back on the half time shuffle. That's actually where I learned it from, then listening to those two songs helped a lot too.
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hey, ive been trying to learn some new shuffles lately.

can someone tab out some cool shuffles for me to learn?
i can play rosanna, Purdiesque, purdie, and thats about it.

the one i wanted tabbed out especially was fool in the rain.
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does anyone else have any other sweet shuffles?
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