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Old 11-01-2012, 05:04 AM
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Anyone try these? Any good? Better question..where the heck can I buy them? I don't see them for sale anywhere.....
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:15 AM
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Here you go: http://bit.ly/V3VISg

Also, use the search function in this 'pedal' forum to get people's experiences with them.
Looks like they make quite a few pedals.
http://www.sonor.com/pbas/sonor_fe/s...-n_artikelid=7
Which one are you looking for?


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Old 11-29-2012, 01:41 AM
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I'll receive one in a couple of days - I've been curious about this pedal and found one used for an attractive price. I think I'm ok with doubles on a regular pedal but let's see. The Twin Effect can also be used for latin/percussion stuff, not only for hyperspeed metal (and you could hit like 300-400 bpm if you use a quad setup/2 Twin Effect pedals).

Anyway even Thomas Lang needed some time to utilize that split pedalboard function. So don't expect instant gratification.
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:53 AM
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I'll receive one in a couple of days - I've been curious about this pedal and found one used for an attractive price. I think I'm ok with doubles on a regular pedal but let's see. The Twin Effect can also be used for latin/percussion stuff, not only for hyperspeed metal (and you could hit like 300-400 bpm if you use a quad setup/2 Twin Effect pedals).

Anyway even Thomas Lang needed some time to utilize that split pedalboard function. So don't expect instant gratification.

Which one are you getting? Ha ha - never mind - I didn't realize Twin Effect was a pedal name. Not too up on Sonor stuff.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/drums...n-effect-pedal

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Old 11-29-2012, 02:00 AM
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Exactly that one. There's a whole Giant Step family but only one Twin Effect.

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Old 11-29-2012, 02:19 AM
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Interesting pedal. I like the docking station idea, but think the spring mounting looks strange.
I'd really like to try one sometime, but it sounds like it'd take a fair amount of time to get good with it. For a heel down player, you'd have to develop a 'floating foot' to avoid stray hits with your heel.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:28 AM
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Anyone try these? Any good? Better question..where the heck can I buy them? I don't see them for sale anywhere.....

Now that I know the Twin Effect is an actual pedal - I think I can safely say it's discontinued.

It's not listed here: http://www.sonor.com/pbas/sonor_fe/s...nk-n_katid=109
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:28 PM
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Here you go: http://bit.ly/V3VISg

Also, use the search function in this 'pedal' forum to get people's experiences with them.
Looks like they make quite a few pedals.
http://www.sonor.com/pbas/sonor_fe/s...-n_artikelid=7
Which one are you looking for?


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thanks, wild Bill, but unfortunately, it ends there.....whenever I click on the iems from google, it says ' product unavailable"...fortunately i found one on ebay...
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:39 PM
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Well, I found one and got it two days ago. Tough to find. Anyway, i played it the other day, and it was pretty cool. There were two concerns for me. First, it didn't do so well on my Roland V-drum KD-8 bass drum pad. I think it may be too heavy....but at the same time, it wasn't latched on correctly and I didn't have time to go get the allen key to adjust it....but I'll tinker with that later. What really concerns me, though, is that when I did fast single foot doubles, it sounded great, but when I looked down i noticed that the doubles were coming from the right beater only. i was doing heel-toe, and my heel hit wasn't even triggering the second beater. So then I thought, "what's the point?", if I can perform this maneuver as though this is just a regular pedal....

Anyway, I just barely touched on this thing so far, so I'm not gonna bad mouth it. I still do like it and even though I can return it within 14 days, I will not. It's a cool piece of equipment to have in my arsenal of stuff, even if I don't use it that much. I may need to find another use for it, latin, i.e. as someone else said here (Arky?). Anyway, I'll leave more feedback tomorrow as tonight I am going to strap this on to my acoustic kit and see what happens....
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:47 PM
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(...) I may need to find another use for it, latin, i.e. as someone else said here (Arky?)
I found this info in a post by Jeff Alameyda who has that pedal, too and is using it for latin perc sounds.

My pedal should arrive any day. I have the same thoughts - what's the point of the Twin Effect if you (myself, haha) can do regular doubles on a standard pedal? I guess there is (must be) a difference. Else there is no way to produce those ultra high speeds like 300-400 bpm (having 2 Twin Effect pedals/a quad beater setup).
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Old 11-29-2012, 07:05 PM
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Ya, I agree, Arky. I think having two of these would be awesome. Each one to a bass drum, and, after getting the feel down, being able to blast out some ungodly speed, I imagine. But, i feel that may be the problem for me here. Maybe I didn't think this all the way thru, but I still want to be able to play two pedals at times. But that's not possible with this thing, unless i get another bass drum.
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Old 11-29-2012, 07:13 PM
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Holy cow:
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Old 12-01-2012, 10:01 AM
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I've seen that video before so it doesn't shock me _that_ much any more, haha. Regardless of what some people think of it that drummer has tremendous control/speed, doesn't he.

Ok, my pedal arrived yesterday. Cleaned it, took some pics. No real testing yet but will do so today. Massive construction, looks good. Smart twin action design I must say! If I manage to handle doubles I might be intrigued to get a 2nd pedal just for the hell of going hyperspeed.

I'll post a few pics if you don't mind.

Mister Zero, if you can do doubles using the toe end of the footplate you could try doing triplets/groups of 3's, e.g. by starting with a heel stroke on the small/back end of the footplate, followed by 2 strokes on the toe side.

I also thought of mounting different percussive blocks so the beaters would produce different sounds, for a 'latiny' context.

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Tested it with a kick practice pad. Took me about 15-20 minutes to produce a 16th note pulse with my R foot. First I checked out the heel-toe motion, producing 1 stroke each (but didn't bother too long trying this). Then I tried doing heel-toe-toe/triplets/groups of 3 notes, doubling the toe stroke/utilizing rebound. Which worked fine after a few minutes. Then tried doubling the heel stroke - now this was most difficult of all, I had to readjust the 2 foot plates for better playing feel/effectivity. But after 15 minutes it 'clicked'. The heel stroke had enormous punch with the heel plate being a bit extended towards the player. I brought it back closer to the hinge which reduced that super hefty heel impact and also moved the toe plate closer to the beaters - this evened out the foot action. I think this pedal is great for catching rebounds because it has plenty of inertia due to the massive built and that heel stroke transition. I put up a click at 200 (pure guess, I thought I'd try) and... could play along 16th notes with my R foot right away. Could have cranked it up a bit like 210 but thought I'd stay at 200 for better evenness.

With my L foot I started doing the same stuff as my R foot but after a mere minute, hehe. So you see - if you have some heel-toe experience with regular pedals I'd say the transition to this pedal isn't a big deal. 200 bpm/R foot & 200 bpm/L foot, that's 400 bpm/both feet according to my math.

Watching that Guido Wyss video made me guess that he's incorporating rebound. As I said, the biggest part is learning to utilize the heel stroke rebound. And - I can't try this for now - of course getting both feet in sync if you're using 2 pedals. I think I'd go for the 'interlaced' version, mixing R and L foot strokes after each stroke. Now to get this sync clean might take some time...

So is this pedal cheating? I think it's as much cheating as learning to catch rebounds - with hands, feet or whatever.

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Old 12-01-2012, 03:06 PM
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Here's some pics.

You see the action of the split heel vs. toe footplate.
The leverage and feel of the pedal can be manipulated by adjusting the heel and toe 'control' plates (each is tightened by 2 massive stainless Allen screws).

Beaters are 2-way version (plastic vs. felt) - on the pics I had the beaters mounted too far off the pedal - that was just for the pics - as afterwards I noticed that I had to bring them closer to adjust the beater height to the kick practice pad.

That lever on the right handside loosens/fastens the fastening piece (red) which is locked into the Sonar Docking Station (permanent bass drum mount - not depicted), for easy pedal docking once you have the Docking Station in place.

Last pics - example of having those heel/toe 'control' pieces closer or in wider position.
From my quick experience I'd say position 1 (on the left) is working well, bringing the heel piece away from the hinge creates enormous/overly punch.
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:31 PM
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Thanks for your story and pics. I sort of have a little idea of how it works now.
What does the curved piece, mounted on the footboard under the toe area, with the rod going through it do?

Do you use the pedal mainly toe-toe, heel-heel? And would that be how you'd use it if you had two of them? Getting double heel strikes sounds like it'd be a bit tricky.
The pedal looks in fine shape. Looks like fun to play with.
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:46 PM
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Thanks for your story and pics. I sort of have a little idea of how it works now.
What does the curved piece, mounted on the footboard under the toe area, with the rod going through it do?
See pic ('borrowed' from the net). That's part of the docking system. The Sonor Docking System is to be clamped onto the bass drum hoop. The Docking System has a notch which perfectly fits that red tailpiece from the pedal. Once the Docking System has been clamped, that tailpiece is then inserted into that notch, you'd then use that silver lever to tighten the pedal to the hoop. Sounds more complicated than it is but might look a bit confusing.

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Do you use the pedal mainly toe-toe, heel-heel? And would that be how you'd use it if you had two of them? Getting double heel strikes sounds like it'd be a bit tricky.
The pedal looks in fine shape. Looks like fun to play with.
I would start the other way round: Heel-heel, then toe-toe. That's the logical extension to playing 'regular' heel-toe. Of course you can start with the toe motion - which is great to have the follwoing/heel note accented. But for continuous 8th/16th notes I'm usually playing heel-toe. On the Twin Effect I'm simply 'doubling it up', utilizing both sections of that split footplate.

Yes, if I had 2 of those pedals I'd play:
Heel (R) - heel (L) - [now rebonds] heel (R) - heel (L) - then same with the toe motion so the R and L foot motions would be in sync/interlaced, with the L foot playing the same thing but with a 1/16th (or 1/32nd) note lag.

But that's my guess/theory so far. I think this should work (for hitting those insane speeds) but have to wait until I have 2 of them.

As a starter I'd recommend focusing on doubles on a regular pedal. (You see it took me no time to apply that rebound thing on the Twin Effect - because I've been practicing doubles for some time now.) And THEN start exploring the Twin Effect.
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Old 12-01-2012, 05:01 PM
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The pics make it clear. A great idea to mount the pedal. I'm surprised more don't use it.

Yes, you'll have to get another of those pedals - you're feet will be flying. LOL
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Old 12-01-2012, 05:08 PM
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That would be for pure fun only (and/or the challenge to get those motions up to higher speed). I can't really imagine any music calling for those speeds... Plus you'd need triggers to even out the volume. The heel rebound strokes feel very weak to me - maybe it's just my lack of control and I can bring those rebound notes up more with more practice. -- I know how regular doubles feel up to the ca. 280 bpm range (but that feels hard!!). Yet it's shocking to play 200 bpm with the Twin Effect with one single foot - and with relative ease.

Someone like Tim Waterson might hammer out something in the 500 bpm range with a pair of Twin Effect pedals!
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Old 12-01-2012, 05:41 PM
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Arky, glad you like the pedal. I had both the Twin Effect single and the Giant Step double and sold them both within a year. I have size 12 feet and could never get comfy on the shorter boards and the heel action (on my pedal) was clunky at best. I think the design is solid, but it didnt work for me. I play Tricks now and can get that kind of speed without the heel down issue.


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Old 12-01-2012, 05:46 PM
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Florian, they are 'special'. Unless I could get fully used to the Twin Effect I'd prefer to have some 'regular' (double) pedals around. Because that heel split board is something I have to keep in mind, it's a different playing feel than on standard pedals. Anyway kudos to Sonor for inventing this thing and pushing the boundaries. But I can see not every drummers needs/wants them.

Wanted to add that buying this pedal was already worth it because I had the opportunity to check out (or rather: start checking out) what it's up to. Before that I had that pedal on my mind but was completely cueless how it would feel like. So buying it was a good thing whether I'll keep it or not - now I know that with those pedals ultra speeds are absolutely within reach for most drummers if you practice a bit.

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Old 12-01-2012, 06:17 PM
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Florian, they are 'special'. Unless I could get fully used to the Twin Effect I'd prefer to have some 'regular' (double) pedals around. Because that heel split board is something I have to keep in mind, it's a different playing feel than on standard pedals. Anyway kudos to Sonor for inventing this thing and pushing the boundaries. But I can see not every drummers needs/wants them.

Wanted to add that buying this pedal was already worth it because I had the opportunity to check out (or rather: start checking out) what it's up to. Before that I had that pedal on my mind but was completely cueless how it would feel like. So buying it was a good thing whether I'll keep it or not - now I know that with those pedals ultra speeds are absolutely within reach for most drummers if you practice a bit.
I too wanted to play one just so I could see if I liked it or not....it really was a struggle to get used to it after nearly 40 years on a flat board. Anyhow, Sonor is always pushing the limits and I think the design of the pedal is neat, but its just not for me. Enjoy!

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Would like to see some video footage of someone learning how to use these pedals.
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Your link got a little messed up (extra 'http') - but this one works:

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Old 12-03-2012, 04:40 PM
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Oh sorry, thanks, Wildbill.

Ya, Arky I tried to do triples,heee and two toes it wasn't bad. This pedal is a lot of fun to play. i love the bass drum attachment device. Makes getting on and off a breeze. My only concern is that I've spent a lot of time trying to master two pedals, and I enjoy using my left foot sometimes. But with this, i can't. Unless I can get a third beater to hit the bass from a slave pedal. Hmmm, may have to do some modifications....

Arky, did you get a chain drive, too? i didn't, but I think I was supposed to...
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:43 PM
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Hey whatever works for your R foot will work for your L foot, too. Just keep practicing. Triplets (or groups of 3) are no prob with the Twin Effect but honestly I'd need to practice them more. As I said it took me even less time with my L foot to get this pedal going... strange. But I do practice my feet (which foot leading) in equal amounts (hands also), also I'm practicing a lot of double bass.

No, my Giant Step Twin pedal came with the strap only. Which surprised me - I even didn't know those pedals come with strap, too. My pedal is 2nd (rather: at least 3rd) hand - the previous owner didn't use it much though - so maybe there was also a chain at some time which got lost or wasn't passed to the next buyer. I'm fine with the strap though, it works ok.

This Twin pedal still feels quite fresh so I might get better acquainted with it. For now I can't really imagine having it as my main pedal and I'm also not intending to. To me this pedal is special with limited practical use - e.g. extreme speed with one foot, or interesting latin sounds (e.g. wood block and/or cowbell).
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:36 PM
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http://www.ebay.de/itm/Doppelfusmasc...item19d73d15cc

Just found one Twin Effect pedal on Ebay Germany - 299 Euro buy it now price... I think I'll stick to 1 of them for now. Or find a 2nd but cheaper than that.

-> Bought it myself. I have very mixed feelings though... Maybe that was a stupid decision.

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Old 12-05-2012, 02:17 AM
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Just found one Twin Effect pedal on Ebay Germany - 299 Euro buy it now price... I think I'll stick to 1 of them for now. Or find a 2nd but cheaper than that.

-> Bought it myself. I have very mixed feelings though... Maybe that was a stupid decision.

You bought a second one?

Can't wait for the 'Speed Demon' video. LOL
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Yes, that makes 2 / a quad beater setup. Will arrive the next few days.

The seller said he's the first owner and that pedal had extremely low use, maybe 3-5 times trying it out to learn that this pedal wasn't for him. I hear him - many things take time to get used to, especially 'strange' stuff like that pedal. I'm not 'there' with that pedal myself. But as said - while it's cool to have 1 of those for experimenting it's (even) cool(er) to have 2, to experiment how to sync both to produce 'music', haha. I'll definitely know more soon.

That 2nd pedal seems to be the original version. Which apparently came with felt only beaters. Nice to get the full package including bag, Docking Station and some spare parts. The strap/belt is different, too. Seems the orig. version didn't come with a chain. BTW, those felt beaters are basically the same which come with the new Jojo Mayer Perfect Balance pedal, those depicted are a bit rounder though while the felt beaters on my Jojo pedal look more 'edgy'. That BIN price of 299 Euros is pretty much what I paid for my 1st Twin Effect Pedal.

BTW, the Docking Station is compatible across the whole range of Giant Pedals.
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So with these one does not need the double pedal anymore?

Hmmm interesting stuff.
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So with these one does not need the double pedal anymore?
I'm not sure. Maybe this was the main thought behind that thing when Sonor was designing it.

Theoretically yes but it takes some practice to get any typical note grouping down.
Practically yes - IF you get those typical note groupings down.
Some things will clear up for me in the longer run. I'm not sure what to think of this pedal.
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you got another one? Too coool!! Are these easy to find in your neck of the woods? I had a hard time finding mine. Got it on Ebay for $300.00. came with the same felt beaters as your second one.

Ya, I am with you on this, Arky. Not sure what to make of mine, either. It's knda neat, and I am going to keep mine and practice getting it down. But I am missing my left foot on rolls. All in all, I think it's a great pedal, and a cool thing worth owning...
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:50 PM
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No, they don't come up often. It's pure coincidence. The previous time I saw one on Ebay before I got my 1st one was months and months ago. Strange... Anyway - 2 is enough, won't buy any more, haha.
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I'm not sure. Maybe this was the main thought behind that thing when Sonor was designing it.

Theoretically yes but it takes some practice to get any typical note grouping down.
Practically yes - IF you get those typical note groupings down.
Some things will clear up for me in the longer run. I'm not sure what to think of this pedal.
Mmm I see, and you got two of them?

Wow. Quads all the way it seems.
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Old 12-06-2012, 01:22 AM
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Default Re: Sonor Giant step twin effect

You'll have to post a vid of both these pedals in action mate (see if you can give the drummer from Henker a run for his money) : )
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Old 12-08-2012, 10:17 PM
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Default Re: Sonor Giant step twin effect

That 2nd pedal arrived today. With the orig. Sonor bag - looks nice and fits 2 pedals (beaters removed). I was too tired to experiment playing both of them - next time. The older beaters (almost identical with the beaters on the Sonor Jojo Mayer/Perfect Balance pedal) are a good deal heavier than those smaller ones.

On another forum I was told that this pedal is typically designed for a rocking/heel down motion. Which I tried on my 1st pedal recently, made my feet fatigue pretty quickly.

I do have a decent videocam now, bought it 'just in case'. Just let me practice a bit... Plus I'm short of kick practice pads now. I have 2 of those - 1 is used with my dw2002 double, the other with that Sonor Perfect Balance pedal. So I either need 2 more or have to switch the practice pads... damn.
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