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Old 09-15-2012, 04:43 PM
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Default Adventures in head changing

Hi everyone. I have a Yamaha Tour Series kit I bought new in the mid 80s that I recently pulled from storage after being there for about 15 years. I love this kit. It's in immaculate shape, looks classic and the birch/mahogany shells just have an amazing sonic quality.

Currently, the toms and kick have pinstripes on the top Ebony Ambassador resos. The kick had about an 8" mic hole in the reso. They have a big, boomy, somewhat darker sound, which I am sure is partly due the heads but also from the mahogany in the shells. Many of the newer kits I see in the stores seem to offer a bit of a brighter, crisper sound from the drums, so I am wanting to experiment with new batter heads. I have never used Evans heads on this kit, although I used Hydraulics back in the 80s on a concert tom kit I owned previous to this one.

Would clear G2 heads offer what I am searching for? Any experience with clear Emperors on the toms batters? Anything thinner would be pitted quickly. I need a nice quality for a loud electric environment that is mic-able.

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Old 09-15-2012, 05:50 PM
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2 ply over 1 ply is my golden recipe. In my case, clear emperors over clear ambassadors, all batter heads tuned 2 seminotes lower than the resos. Warm, wet, resonant punch!
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Old 09-15-2012, 06:58 PM
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2 ply over 1 ply is my golden recipe. In my case, clear emperors over clear ambassadors, all batter heads tuned 2 seminotes lower than the resos. Warm, wet, resonant punch!
Any experience with the "vintage emperor" head? I guess they are 7.5 layers rather than 7.0, which puts them equivalent to a G2.
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Old 09-16-2012, 12:41 AM
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Any experience with the "vintage emperor" head? I guess they are 7.5 layers rather than 7.0, which puts them equivalent to a G2.
Umm, you sure about that?
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:14 AM
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Umm, you sure about that?
I've never seen one, but it's listed on Reno's website. I use the term equivalent only concerning thickness of plies.
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Old 09-16-2012, 10:34 AM
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Any experience with the "vintage emperor" head? I guess they are 7.5 layers rather than 7.0, which puts them equivalent to a G2.
The G2's are 7+7 mil thick. The Vintage Emperors are 7.5+7.5, which means they are slightly thicker than both the G2 and the regular Emperor (which are both 7+7mil).
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Old 09-16-2012, 10:53 AM
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I've played coated Vintage Emperors and now use coated Evans G2's, and for some reason, I get a "livlier" feeling from the Remo heads. I'm not saying the Evans are bad heads, but the Remos seem more resonant, although as they age, they tend to die slowly over time. The Evans, I noticed, when they go, it happens fast.

As much of an investment new heads are, I treat them for what they are: expendables. So, if I suddenly need a different sound, I'm in a position to go get what I need. So I could be using Vintage Emperors again, or I may get black dots, or Fiberskyn 3's. It really depends on how I feel. I don't have to live with the sound forever, and you don't. You'll have to change them sooner than later anyway, I say get what you want and if you don't like it, try something else next time.
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Old 09-16-2012, 11:55 AM
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I'm currently using vintage emporers, and they sound great. I previously had on G2's, and they sounded great. I often use coated ambassadors, and they sound great. As Bo said they do cost a bit but I tend to find no matter how many forums you read, you eventually just have to try them out and treat them more as expendable. They'll all vary anyway depending on your kit, how you tune, and what you perceive as a good sound.

If you get both sets, they won't go to waste because eventually one set will wear out and you can just stick the other set on. Or if you get bored one day, you can take one set off and put the others on. It's not like you have to chuck them away because you've used them a bit. As far as I know, it doesn't do them much harm to take them off and put them back on later.

I've spent years trying different heads and I still find it hard to know what I want. I often end up back at coated ambassadors, which will be going on once the vintage emperors wear out.

Another possibility if you like a more "controlled" sound are the Evans EC2 heads. I have a set of those laying around that I did not warm to, but I want to try them again as I think I was having a bad tuning day.

I have to say though, the pinstripes did not stay on my kit for long.. I'm determined they won't go to waste - they must have some use, somewhere..
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:51 PM
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Just to clarify, the G2 and EC2 are both two 7mil plies. The Onyx series is two 7.5mil plies.

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