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Old 09-12-2012, 03:44 PM
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Default How to get a 'click' sound from my 22"X18" and 18"X14" bass drums?

Can I just tape a coin to the batter head and use a wooden beater to get a clicking bass drum sound like in this song- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLCc8zy3Pn8 ?
Will it damage my drum head or the beater?
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Old 09-12-2012, 03:49 PM
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Why on Earth would you want a click from your 18 x 14 bass drum :(

To answer your question, yes it works perfectly. Your heads and beaters will be fine.
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Old 09-12-2012, 03:53 PM
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They make click pads. They stick on your bass drum. You still need a hard beater though. I guess you could tape a coin. I would not put tape where the beater touches. It will wear through tape in no time and then will get to the glue, mucking up the works. As long as nothing cuts into, or abrades your head, you should be fine. Maybe use double sided tape on back of your coin.
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:09 PM
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I am pretty sure that particular sound is from the same module Martin used on the tour for that album. I think I remember it being a Yamaha. I can't stand it . :)

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J.A.W. tuning with a pillow
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:50 PM
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Coin & wood beater is the time tested method.

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Old 09-12-2012, 06:44 PM
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Why on Earth would you want a click from your 18 x 14 bass drum :(

To answer your question, yes it works perfectly. Your heads and beaters will be fine.

Thanks, NerfLad
I have a small, constricted raised platform at home for my drum kit and I am not in a band, I haven't giged in months and don't own any micing equipment...
(because I am stripped off my freedom for a few months due to study-load). So, I decided to use a more 'manual' way.
I am aware that you were being rhetoric...
SSSSSSStill, thanks a lottttttt
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Old 09-12-2012, 07:24 PM
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They make click pads. They stick on your bass drum. You still need a hard beater though. I guess you could tape a coin. I would not put tape where the beater touches. It will wear through tape in no time and then will get to the glue, mucking up the works. As long as nothing cuts into, or abrades your head, you should be fine. Maybe use double sided tape on back of your coin.
I don't have access to drum accessories like click pads... I stay in India and there are only a couple of online retailer and a couple of physical stores so, I don't have much of a choice.

And about the adhesion... I really didn't realize the taping would wear out, thanks for pointing that out. I think I would go with double tape. But wouldn't double sided tape kill the bass drum sound. Should I start a new thread for this?

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I am pretty sure that particular sound is from the same module Martin used on the tour for that album. I think I remember it being a Yamaha. I can't stand it . :)

I would suggest
J.A.W. tuning with a pillow
Danmar Power Disc Pad
Danmar wood beater.
As I mentioned above, I don't have much choice and shipping the Danmars would cost me a hundred dollars more than the Danmars themselves...
What is J.A.W tuning? Won't using pillows muffle the sound?
I googled for J.A.W tuning and it returned with names of a dozen men with detachable jawbones... nice, I thought that was impossible without a corpse...

You listen to Kataklysm. You know who Martin Maurais is.
That means you, sir, reek of Badass-ness.

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Old 09-12-2012, 07:33 PM
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I don't have access to drum accessories like click pads... I stay in India and there are only a couple of online retailer and a couple of physical stores so, I don't have much of a choice.

And about the adhesion... I really didn't realize the taping would wear out, thanks for pointing that out. I think I would go with double tape. But wouldn't double sided tape kill the bass drum sound. Should I start a new thread for this?

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I used several layers of Scotch Blue painter's tape and just reapplied when it wore away (before the coin fell out, obviously). No need to do both sides. Using a coin at all will kill your bass drum tone. The beater isn't fully making contact with the head. I thought that was the point anyway, a click and very little sustain... (a bass drum mic will still get the low end if you play live)
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Old 09-12-2012, 07:47 PM
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Coin & wood beater is the time tested method.

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and I thought I discovered it... Someone once said "There is always someone who is smarter than you." Co-incidently, that was my dad...

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Old 09-12-2012, 07:51 PM
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I first read about it from Derek Roddy. I noticed he posted earlier, maybe he can tell us when it started.
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Can I just tape a coin to the batter head and use a wooden beater to get a clicking bass drum sound like in this song- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLCc8zy3Pn8 ?
Will it damage my drum head or the beater?
You're aware this drummer most likely uses samples right?
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Old 09-12-2012, 08:46 PM
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Anyone tried applying the coin to the beater instead?

Would allow easy change-out by turning the beater...

...but I've never tried this...dont know if the sound comes partially from the muting of the head due to the coins sustained presence against the head.
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Old 09-12-2012, 08:59 PM
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Anyone tried applying the coin to the beater instead?

Would allow easy change-out by turning the beater...

...but I've never tried this...dont know if the sound comes partially from the muting of the head due to the coins sustained presence against the head.
but what creates the desired sound is the wood or hard plastic of the beater contacting the metal of the coin or click pad

if the coin was on the beater that would defeat the purpose of the coin entirely
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Old 09-12-2012, 09:05 PM
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J.A.W. means just above wrinkles. You can search it on this forum. Those are samples on the Kataklysm tune.

Try finding a small flat piece of plastic and taping it to the head. You could also cut a couple of squares out of old heads, double them up and tape them on. DO NOT TAPE OVER THE AREA THAT IS GOING TO BE STRUCK BY THE BEATER. It will gum up and the beater will stick to it. You will still need a wooden beat or hard plastic beater for a clicky sound.

I rode on a bus with Kataklysm for 5 weeks. Cool guys.
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Old 09-12-2012, 09:53 PM
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J.A.W. means just above wrinkles. You can search it on this forum. Those are samples on the Kataklysm tune.

Try finding a small flat piece of plastic and taping it to the head. You could also cut a couple of squares out of old heads, double them up and tape them on. DO NOT TAPE OVER THE AREA THAT IS GOING TO BE STRUCK BY THE BEATER. It will gum up and the beater will stick to it. You will still need a wooden beat or hard plastic beater for a clicky sound.
+1 Using this method, you can get some click using a felt beater also. Pinstripes JAW tuned works great!
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Old 09-12-2012, 10:22 PM
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Or tune both heads to medium tension and completely stuff the bass drum with pillows so it's completely dead. Use a wooden beater and you're sorted...

Of course, your bass drum will sound like crap.
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Old 09-12-2012, 10:28 PM
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In the absence of wood or plastic beater, back in the '70s I used to wrap the felt beater in masking tape to get some attack out of it. It doesn't wear through very fast so the sticky issue wasn't so sticky.
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Old 09-13-2012, 02:47 AM
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This makes me feel old- what the hell is the point of this? When is a bass drum of any size supposed to make a "click" and why have a kick if thats what you want? Why not a steel angle or something to click on.

I'm 37 by the way. Do I want to know the answer?
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Old 09-13-2012, 08:41 PM
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The point is to have more attack from your kick. Most music today has some kind of click/attack in the kicks including country, jazz,r&b rock and metal. A lot of drummers in the 70's also had clicky kick drums. Even Bonham had some click. I guess it all depends on how much you use but it really brings out the kick in the mix.
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Even Bonham had some click.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14GYov0EdyQ

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Sorry for what. There's attack/click all over his kick in that vid.
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There's not "click". I mean yes, there's treble in the attack because so much of Bonham's sound came from the room mics, but it's happening at like 4-6k, whereas I think of clicky bass drums as happening substantially higher than that. Between 7k and 11k, for example.

In the seventies, when drummers took their front heads off and stuffed their drums with the bedroll, they got a more midrange punch sound rather than a sharp click. That really wasn't prevalent until the mid 80's, and even then it was more mid-centric than it is now. Only recently have we started going for the wet plastic sound (which in the interest of full disclosure, I am a big fan of).
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Old 09-13-2012, 09:03 PM
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To me Attack and click are one in them same.. Depending on what frequencies that are boosted or taken away determines what kind of click you get. You can hear clearly that wet attack Bonham is getting from his beater and head. You can also hear when he's "on it hard" there's more and when he's playing softer there is less.
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Old 09-13-2012, 09:13 PM
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Of course! It's not like the sample in that Kataklysm song though.... I think we're saying the same thing differently.
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Yup I think so. lol And like you i'm a huge fan of a lot of click. Yeah, not the same as the
Kataklysm song. I always loved Vinnie Paul's clicky kick drums! I think he used the quarter method if I can remember, or at least that's what he told a fellow drummer of mine at a show.
I always thought that a quarter with it's raised edges would cut through the head??
Don't know..lol
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Old 09-30-2012, 02:59 PM
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I think we're saying the same thing differently.
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Old 09-30-2012, 06:01 PM
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Sorry to be rough- I think, now having listened, that I get it. The sound is not JUST a click but more of a click over a standard bass drum low note. I think.
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