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Old 08-15-2012, 06:54 PM
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I've been Delite'd today ;-)

Picked up a Sonor Delite 4-piece shell set at the music store I'm mostly buying stuff at. My very first shells/drums, not counting a crappy snare (actually, a modified tom) which I've been using so far (mostly with a practice pad on top).

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22 x 17.5 bass drum (w/ tom holder mount)
10 x 8 TT
12 x 9 TT
14 x 14 FT
& 1 double tom holder.
Price: 1.999 Euros (plus 100 Euros for some cases)

The first time I've seen that Tiger finish was on Derek Roddy's DVD (Blast Beats Evolved) - one of the hottest finishes for drums I can think of. I've never seen that finish in person before - it's a bit on the pale side and looked darker/more intense on various pics and also on Derek's DVD but it's still a cool finish. (I like transparent finishes and stained wood in general, be it drums or guitars.) The bass drum is not a virgin bass drum but actually this allows more setup variations so I'm fine with this.

I've taken those pics at the store, prior to packing them. I'm very happy to have those decent drums but feel utterly unworthy of them [2 yrs into drums now]. That's a Sonor Benny Greb snare they had set up for demo purposes.I have to keep using my crappy snare for the moment, will upgrade at a later time.

That 22'' bass drum is so punchy I think a 20'' would do it, too. Might/want to get more toms in the longer run, an 8'' and/or a 16''.

My setup so far:
* dw2002 double pedal (modified: reduced footplate angle, I've flexed away those studs at the heel block and also flexed down the linings and model designation a bit to make the footplate smoother in feel, esp. for swivel)
* (Bill Bachman's) Remote Speedy Hat (w/ cheapo hihat set)
* Tama Iron Cobra hihat (w/ cheapo hihat set or, alternatively, some DIY bell cymbals)
* 1 cheapo marching tom modified into a snare
* a total of 16 DIY bells (a few sound quite similar and are obsolete, will sell those)
* 1 Meinl Byzance Dry Ride 20''
* 1 Doppler Drums 18'' Crash (had 1 crack, now DIY'ed into an Ozone style cymbal w/ 6 holes)
* a few surplus cymbal stands
(Had a few cracked and salvaged Zildjian ZBT hats/rides, modded them into a pair of 11.5'' and 13'' hats but sold them recently.)
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Old 08-15-2012, 11:37 PM
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Definitely unique. Nice. I wonder if German-made Sonors are less expensive in Germany? I would hope so, at least a bit cheaper. Congrats.
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Old 08-16-2012, 06:32 AM
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Larry, that particular shell set was a special offer. It had an orig. price tag of 2.689 Euros so 1999 Euros was a really good offer.

Currently there's a few other Delite shell sets (same finish) on Ebay Germany - those price tags seem to be quite attractive, too:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Sonor-Delite-...item3a784db618
- 22x17 (virgin) / 12x08 / 16x16 / 18x16 / no hardware / for 1.690 Euros
(That one seems to be the remainder of a gigantic double bass kit pulled apart, with the 'regular' half been sold already - man if I had the money...)

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Sonor-Drumset...item483f8932ef
- 22x20 (virgin) / 10x7 / 12x8 / 14x11 / 16x13 / no hardware, for 2.899 Euros buy-it-now (I contacted them, they'd accept to sell it for 2.700)
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Old 08-16-2012, 08:19 AM
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Very cool and love that tiger finish!
Any pics of the kit now you've got them set up at home?
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Old 08-16-2012, 08:29 AM
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Very cool and love that tiger finish!
Any pics of the kit now you've got them set up at home?
Well here's where this affair starts to get embarassing...
I'd have to set it up in my homestudio room (60% is already consumed with various stuff, several racks, guitars etc). So there are space constraints. What's worse is that until now my drumming endeavours have been quite tolerable in terms of volume (no shells, snare with pad most of the time, and if not, just playing very softly). This is going to change. Plus, I'm still living at my parents' home (but will move soon). So I bought that shell set because it was a great offer and I wanted some decent drums at some time anyway. Now I have them but I'm not sure when and where to use them properly. At least I have them.

But sure, I'll set them up, add the other stuff I have and make some pics. Then I'll see how playing a real drumset feels like - I'll be confronted with much more distance to cover, it's not just practicing on pads like I've been doing so far ;-)

I thought of using some damping or maybe start out playing the toms/that crappy snare with brushes.

BTW, we forgot to pack the floor tom legs, haha. I'll have them send it over.

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Old 08-16-2012, 08:30 AM
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:36 AM
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Well here's where this affair starts to get embarassing...
I'd have to set it up in my homestudio room (60% is already consumed with various stuff, several racks, guitars etc). So there are space constraints. What's worse is that until now my drumming endeavours have been quite tolerable in terms of volume (no shells, snare with pad most of the time, and if not, just playing very softly). This is going to change. Plus, I'm still living at my parents' home (but will move soon). So I bought that shell set because it was a great offer and I wanted some decent drums at some time anyway. Now I have them but I'm not sure when and where to use them properly. At least I have them.

But sure, I'll set them up, add the other stuff I have and make some pics. Then I'll see how playing a real drumset feels like - I'll be confronted with much more distance to cover, it's not just practicing on pads like I've been doing so far ;-)

I thought of using some damping or maybe start out playing the toms/that crappy snare with brushes.

BTW, we forgot to pack the floor tom legs, haha. I'll have them send it over.
If playing volume is a concern you could always try the A2E route?
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Old 08-16-2012, 12:08 PM
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Congrats,that finish looks epic! Really looking forward to the pics when all set up and comfy.

You sure are Delite'd ;)
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Not my choice of finish but a great, high-quality kit. You're also helping the national economy and as a fellow EU member, I support that!

Can't wait to see it set up with all the bells and whistles, as it were.
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Old 08-16-2012, 07:06 PM
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If playing volume is a concern you could always try the A2E route?
Basically yes. I've been using a friend's Roland TD-9 for several months so I know how e-kits feel like. At first it was great fun but gradually I started not liking those meshheads, they're way too bouncy. E-kits are great for overall coordination but are poor to develop touch and subtleties. Plus the sounds come ready as they are, one doesn't have to form them (like on pretty much any other natural instrument). But integrating some electric stuff - for level reduction or other reasons - isn't a bad idea.

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Not my choice of finish but a great, high-quality kit. You're also helping the national economy and as a fellow EU member, I support that!

Can't wait to see it set up with all the bells and whistles, as it were.
Economy wasn't the biggest concern but there is some logic to choosing domestic manufacturers, isn't it. Isn't it funny - there's German drummers being endorsed by DW (I assume so), Pearl (now as for Pearl - I definitely know one German drummer) etc and overseas drummers who prefer Sonor et alii. I was also considering a Mapex Saturn Limited set (ocean blue wave finish - super nice finish) - would have been a 6-piece / 2 more drums (1 floor tom, 1 snare) for a mere 300 additional Euros. I settled on Sonor though. (Thinking about it - a few months ago one of those ocean blue wave sets was offered on German Ebay for... yeah, 1.999 Euros, haha.)

(THAT Saturn set/finish:)
http://www.thomann.de/de/mapex_satur...621c6b4cbcd121
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Old 08-16-2012, 07:50 PM
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That finish just screams "look at me".

I predict that any lead guitar players and lead singers you play with won't like it. Too uppity.

Most guys I know don't like competing with the drummer for attention.
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Old 08-16-2012, 08:09 PM
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Larry, I never thought about that... I'm not used to other guitarists playing lead parts - in my orig. compositions that's my job usually ;-)

Just to give you some idea that this finish is quite in line of what I'm usually going for - here's a snapshot of my 4 custom electrics, all made by the same luthier (Siggi Braun, Germany).

(Please pardon me for posting un-drumming-ish stuff... But at least it's a thread on gear I have.)

BTW, those 4 guitars actually have names/concept designations. My other instruments (1 12-string electric, 1 acoustic, 2 el. basses) don't have names and I think I won't name my drumset either. Those 4 custom electrics depicted are (from top to bottom):
"Sovenance 6", "Sovenance 7" (the one in my avatar), "Natural", and "Aqua".
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Basically yes. I've been using a friend's Roland TD-9 for several months so I know how e-kits feel like. At first it was great fun but gradually I started not liking those meshheads, they're way too bouncy. E-kits are great for overall coordination but are poor to develop touch and subtleties. Plus the sounds come ready as they are, one doesn't have to form them (like on pretty much any other natural instrument). But integrating some electric stuff - for level reduction or other reasons - isn't a bad idea.

Economy wasn't the biggest concern but there is some logic to choosing domestic manufacturers, isn't it. Isn't it funny - there's German drummers being endorsed by DW (I assume so), Pearl (now as for Pearl - I definitely know one German drummer) etc and overseas drummers who prefer Sonor et alii. I was also considering a Mapex Saturn Limited set (ocean blue wave finish - super nice finish) - would have been a 6-piece / 2 more drums (1 floor tom, 1 snare) for a mere 300 additional Euros. I settled on

(THAT Saturn set/finish:)
http://www.thomann.de/de/mapex_satur...621c6b4cbcd121

You made the right decision. IMHO there is NO comparrison between Mapex and Made In Germany Sonor high end dums.

Your kit is stunning. You can play that kit for the rest of your life. No need to upgrade. Well done.
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:58 PM
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Thanks for your reassuring post! I'm fine with that decision. The Saturns might have a better bang for buck relation but having Delites eliminates the need to upgrade.

Ok, here's some pics I just did. I set up all that stuff in combination for the first time and had to experiment with the placement as a real/full kit is new and fresh to me. Everything is so... big. I'll receive a Sonor single tom holder & stand within the next days and will have more placement options, maybe have the highest tom mounted off that single holder, leaving the 12 tom on the bass drum.

* Sonor Delite tiger finish, 22x17.5 BD // 10x8 TT // 12x9 TT // 14x14 FT
* no name/cheapo snare (actually a modified marching tom)
* Speedy Remote Hat (the brand new version, by Legacy Percussion Gear, designed by Bill Bachman) w/ cheapo hihat cymbal and Billdidit Coady Clutch drop clutch - probably the best/most practical clutch ATM - on top
* Tama Iron Cobra hihat stand (my initial hihat stand) w/ a set of DIY bells just for fun and more foot practice variation (initially I had that stand at the right handside as a 2nd hihat but couldn't fit it into this setup as it clashed with the ride position and toms)
* dw2002 double pedal (modified: lower pedal angle, plain butt ends (I've flexed off those small stubs - feels more comfy and is way easier for swivel)
* ride = Meinl Byzance Dry Ride 20'' (used)
* crash = Doppler Drums 18'' Turkey Line Rock Crash (had a crack -> I DIY'ed it into an 'o-zone' style cymbal)
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Old 08-28-2012, 02:05 PM
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That pic is just to show the other 10 bells which didn't make it on the kit, haha.

The rest is some cymbal rings I salvaged from the used and cracked cymbals (I got them off Ebay and bought them as cracked deliberately - and thus, mostly quite cheap). Some of those rings are 14'' in diameter, they can be used to create a metallic effect on the snare drum (inspired by those cymbal rings JoJo Mayer is using). 2 rings are 13'' in diameter - just in case I ever buy a 13'' snare. The other cymbal rings are what remained of the initial cymbals minus their bells and I also cut away any areas with cracks. Those cymbal carcasses might be good for sound experiments, stacking them or whatever. I thought I'd utilize them to the full instead of discarding them after cutting out their bells.

Still have to make 1-2 bell holders (inspired by Gavin Harrison's setup).
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That's a fantastic finish Arky, you've made a very wise choice. Enjoy those drums!
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Those are pretty! Congratulations! Now you can only wear matching fur outfits when playing. Perhaps a "Jane" female can also be on-hand to give you towels ;)
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Nice snag there Arky! There's no missing that finish :) I like it, very much, but it's your choice of a well crafted thin shelled kit that I like even more. I like the sizes too. Congratulations, & I wish you many years of enjoyment with it :)
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Old 08-28-2012, 10:08 PM
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That's a fantastic finish Arky, you've made a very wise choice. Enjoy those drums!
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Haha. Thanks Bo - never thought of that. I hope I can get around this (wearing that outfit). But female persons having towels ready... What a tempting thought! Provided I'd break a sweat from playing, and therefore I need to get better. Thinking about it... Bo, it's your vast Disneyland activities which make you come up with ideas like those, right? ;-)

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Thanks Andy!
I was aware of those thin shells, yes. It was the finish primarily which got me interested. And that initial wow factor when I saw those drums for the first time - on Derek Roddy's DVD. They looked fantastic! And for 4 mm shells they sound... boombastic. (You know, if I spent 3-4x the amount I might get some GURU drums instead... Maybe in the future.)

Thanks for all your feedback! Guys, I'm constantly rewriting this post as more and more replies are coming in, haha.
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Wow... I missed this thread...

Congrats Arky, wonderful kit, looks great, I bet you're a happy guy, there's nothing like a real drumkit... all you have to do now is a little demo for us, so we can hear this beauty in action ;)
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Wow... I missed this thread...

Congrats Arky, wonderful kit, looks great, I bet you're a happy guy, there's nothing like a real drumkit... all you have to do now is a little demo for us, so we can hear this beauty in action ;)
[*Takes a deep breath*] Henri, now this makes me start to sweat ;-) I'll keep it in mind but it will take a while I think. My confidence on a real kit is close to zero. A new era has begun. At least I have the stuff to record the kit (Audix DP7 drum mic package, studio stuff like pre-amps, EQs, compressors, Transient Designer...).
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Quick info: I got a (slightly used) Sonor single tom holder & stand for more setup flexibility. I guess I'll keep 1 tom on the bass drum mount, 1 on that new tom holder, plus the floor tom. (I've picked up the floor tom legs a few days ago, was around my music dealer.)

ATM I'm giving the shellkit a polish - not that it was dusty but to treat the chrome parts with a conditioner so it should last longer. Haven't really played on the kit yet but will do so after the cleanup.
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Hey Arky!

Haven't seen this thread until now. Really, Derek has a Tiger finish kit? Newer knew...
I've seen Benny using one, though (see pic).

I decided to go for a 20" BD, and as you mentioned, the 20" already has lots of boom!!

If you're still going for the Benny Greb snare, you will end up with pretty much the drum
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Old 09-02-2012, 06:45 AM
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Hey Arky!

Haven't seen this thread until now. Really, Derek has a Tiger finish kit? Newer knew...
I've seen Benny using one, though (see pic).
Hey Matthias!

I'm not sure that Derek _owns_ that Tiger finish kit but. Maybe it was provided for the DVD shoot.
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I decided to get that shell kit for that offered price, there was no way to choose the sizes, it was a 'yes' or 'no' thing. I did think about 20'' vs. 22'' but ended up that so many drummers do use 22'' so I'd go that route as well. I can imagine getting a 20'' bass drum at some time unless I'll get fully accustomed to a 22'' until then.

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If you're still going for the Benny Greb snare, you will end up with pretty much the drum set I have, LOL. Don't want to derail your thread by any means, but just for the love of the Delite Tiger here's a pic of mine :). (The second one, without Benny in it, of course)
That snare is hot (sonically and cosmetically) - and I like it being only 13'' size. While I'd love to have all the shells in Tiger finish it's ok to have a different snare, and the Benny Greb would fit nicely.

No prob, no derailing - a Sonor Tiger finish shell set is a Sonor Tiger finish shell set ;-) Thanks for the pics, they look great!
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Hi Arky.
If you are interested in a 13" Sonor snare I urge you to check out the Artist beech. This drum is stunning. Among other musicians it is my most popular snare. I have seen all heads in a band turn back to see what it is after the first backbeat. The finish is the original tribal, not tiger though.





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If you are interested in a 13" Sonor snare I urge you to check out the Artist beech. This drum is stunning. Among other musicians it is my most popular snare. I have seen all heads in a band turn back to see what it is after the first backbeat. The finish is the original tribal, not tiger though.[/IMG]
Hey, cool! Thanks for the info. I think they have that snare in the shop (that dealer I'm mostly buying stuff from). This tribal design isn't particularly to my taste but I'll give it a try next time I'm there.
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Congrats on the kit! I think you got an excellent deal :-) I have seen those other Delite kits for good prices here in Germany. I think though my wife would kill me if I bought one after getting my S Classix kit recently!
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Yeah, that was a good deal.

2 days ago I got my first real snare to finally complement that shellkit - it's a Sonor Force 2000 (Scandinavian Birch) wich I got for 80 Euros from a member of this board. The Sonor/model label is missing but that's a minor thing. From stock the finish looks a bit rough to me so I decided to give it several additional layers of wax (plus polishing in-between) - it looks far better now and has much more 3D effect. I might repeat this. Also gave the hardware some cleanup, looks nice now.

Basically I had that Benny Greb snare in mind (but would have tested some more snares before buying) but that Force 2000 came very handy, the price was fine so I grabbed it. It's not too far away from the Benny Greb Snare in terms of cosmetics.
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Wow that is also a very good deal. So long as it sounds good ( I am certain it does ) then that is all that matters. Now your kit is complete.
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Hi Arky,

looks great :) Glad you like it!

As I said in my mails before, a "satin" finish from sonor is never 100% smooth... At least on the snares I have...


Glad you like it, though :)

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Hi David,
I've seen that Sonor satin finish at my music dealer and at the Frankfurt Musikmesse before. I noticed that the wood 'holes' weren't perfectly filled etc - which is a matter of manufacturer preference. On that Force 2000 snare it was even rougher than that but again, that's not wrong. Some might love this as the graining can be felt with one's fingers and isn't sanded to a perfectly smooth finish. I just decided to "add something" to it - which is typical for me, adding some final touches for studio gear, guitars, whatever.

See detail pic - this is after 3x waxing and applying some Dr. Duck's Axwax afterwards (my cure-all for clean-up work) for smoother feel and more glossy look. So the 'holes' have been filled up but there's some minor bumps all over. Either I'll get completely used to this (or come to loving that 'natural' look) or I'll rework it some more to make it even smoother.

That snare sounds like a snare is supposed to - great!! No need to buy more snares (at least for now - my ears might grow though, and I can't rule out some GAS in the future).

David, what makes me REALLY REALLY disappointed is... I thought that when buying that snare I was also buying 5% of your skills... but no ;-)
My handwork is still the same crap as before, haha.
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David, what makes me REALLY REALLY disappointed is... I thought that when buying that snare I was also buying 5% of your skills... but no ;-)
Haha, I was a bit scared when I read "disappointed" :D thought "what? what was wrong :-O"
Anyway.. Sorry.. You should have told me, I would have packed you 5% in a little box and sent it to you.. :P
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I have the same type of finish on both of my S Classix and Benny Greb snare. Only the high gloss finishes are smooth. If you really wanted to I know that any furniture builder or perhaps a car painter can put a very smooth finish clear coat.
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I have the same type of finish on both of my S Classix and Benny Greb snare. Only the high gloss finishes are smooth. If you really wanted to I know that any furniture builder or perhaps a car painter can put a very smooth finish clear coat.
Possible, but I guess the fact that the finish will become muddy and the veneer will look muddy holds sonor from making it very smooth..
At least that's what I heard from a laquerist..
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I think you can definitely get a smooth satin finish.
I'm judging from my (limited) experience I've made with one of my custom guitars. I had 4 custom electrics built but only 1 of them had a satin finish - my "Natural":
http://www.siggi-braun.com/de/custom...1_Natural.html

That veneer (both front and back top) is wild maple and that wood didn't have the same depth of bumps like on that Scandinavian Birch veneer but it looks stunning with that smooth satin finish. I could look at that guitar top all day long, it makes me want to take a bite. So to me it seems satin finishes can indeed be perfectly smooth - except for that very fine and even satin microscopic 'structure' but the bumps are all gone. And the wood details/depth don't get blurred - rather the opposite, you'd have more visual depth, similar to hi-gloss finishes. The feel is great, too - there's much less 'slowing you down' effect when handling/playing this instrument, compared to the hi-gloss tops I have on my other electrics.

Now if Sonor choose to not do a 'closed' satin finish I'd assume this is done for sonic reasons. I'm not sure how much of a difference that extra processing in finish would do on the sound. I guess it's rather tiny.

Anyone interested in detail pics of that "Natural" veneer?
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Sonor offers all their drums in the SQ2 line in satin finish (low gloss) or high gloss finish. The low gloss always shows the grain; the high gloss does not and I don't think it has an affect on sound. The inner most ply is always just a satin finish though so perhaps the inner play has an affect on sound. I have a drum of each line of Sonor in each finish except wrap. From what I can tell the high gloss does not affect the sound; more so the wood selection and shell thickness.

When I was at the factory they did not mention any change in sound or reason why the satin allows the wood grain to show through.

Arky - was there any special method or wax you used? I think it the snare drum looks great!
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As for sonic differences - I think on acoustic guitars this migt (slightly) affect the tone. Good to hear that the Sonor guys don't overthink this. But yes, as for the inner ply finish - I think I read on Drummerworld that this does change the projection.

The wax I used is "Antik-Wachs" by Clue (200g). I just googled - looks they have changed the outward appearance of that product - it also comes in various sizes - but it should be the same stuff. It _looks_ great (adding a very attractive yellowish colour, depending on the wood), but it also _smells_ really good. I was using special Warwick (bass guitar manufacturer) Carnuba wax but had to buy new wax as I had quite some use for wax. (I reworked 4 big studio racks/20 rack units each/ and a few smaller ones because I really like that wood look.) Honestly I don't exactly remember the difference between that Warwick product and that Clue wax, I guess the colour/smell might vary but both are great.

On those wood racks I applied 2 layers of wax: to fill up any bumps/graining lines and to cover the whole surface. Let it dry for a while, then applied a 2nd coat - because there will be some bumps left (although some finer ones). Let it dry, then polish. The polish provides that fine look and satin finish but even then the surface wasn't perfect - but "woody" and nice enough to keep it that way.

On that Sonor snare the coating was already finished so I had 2 choices: Sanding and then waxing it, or applying the wax on the existing finish - for more 3D effect and minimizing those bumps (which is far less work than sanding etc). I applied the wax in circular motions, making sure to fill the bumps. Then did a round of polish, applied more wax etc. You have to keep using fresh pieces of cloth every few minutes as they start to soak, get rigit and aren't suitable for polishing any more. So no mysteries at all ;-) I should add that I'm using good pressure when both applying and polishing the wax - this feels like really working and is hard on my hands. In fact I might feel some strain in my hand tendons for a few days after some wax/polishing work.

In the end I used some Dr. Duck's Axwax Deluxe for more smoothening effect, both in terms of handling feel and look. (BTW, this is the 2nd bottle of Dr. Duck's I'm using throughout my 22 years being a guitarist, and I'm using that stuff to polish my guitars, wipe strings clean, studio gear - it provides more contrast, more gloss - many applications. Those bottles will last forever.)

It just struck me that this is my 2nd Clou wax already. I used that Warwick and 1st Clou wax up for the studio racks...

Also uploaded a pic of that 'magic' metal polish I'm using - I've already mentioned it in the DIY Bells thread. "Gundel-Putz". Just got a brand new one as I was running out of it. I also used it (but in tiny amounts) to rework the hardware on that snare. You have to use it sparsely though if you're polishing alloy surfaces. Some Gundel-Putz and then some Dr. Duck's afterwards to wipe away all residue - that's my way.
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Arky, I'm glad you didn't end up with the Benny Greb, because your kit would've look
even more identical to mine then :)! (Except for sizes)
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Frankly I'm a bit tight on funds at the moment ;-)
Hey, you still have 1 more tom (but I'm planning getting more in the future).
That new snare is nice enough (both in look and in sound) to make me forget about the BG snare, at least for a while until I'll be able to afford one.

Well the MAIN difference is... You can play and I can't. Haha.
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Yeah I know that feeling....!!

...and thanks for the kind words! I can't judge your playing. But I know at least that you're
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