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Old 08-12-2012, 08:26 AM
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Default Possible Issue with Jojo Mayer Perfect Balance Pedal

I picked one of these up the other day and am really liking it. Super smooth, very fast, everything you'd want in a pedal. I have one concern though. There seems to be a bit of play in the hinge at the heel of the pedal. I've searched around and I guess I'm not the only one that has this issue.

What I want to know is if anyone who owns the pedal has this issue as well and if so has it caused any further issues? It doesn't seem to effect the play of the pedal, it's just an annoyance.

If you aren't sure if your pedal has this issue, refer to the 2:35 mark of this video. Someone posted a review and mentioned the problem at that point in the video.

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Old 08-12-2012, 08:50 AM
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Well I don't have that pedal but on the Derek Roddy forum someone posted (with video) that his JoJo Mayer pedal has an extremely tight back hinge - look here (towards the end of that thread):
http://www.derekroddy.com/forum/view...20828&start=15

Seems those pedals vary a lot (too much?) in stock condition. With a bit more quality control those issues really shouldn't exist.
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Old 08-12-2012, 08:56 AM
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Ya I saw that, that's even worse than the loose hinge. Hoping Sonor will get the hang of this thing once they pump out a few more batches.
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Old 08-12-2012, 03:49 PM
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I checked one of these out and the first thing I noticed was the slop in the fold-able hinge. Does it go away when you tighten it down on the bass drum?
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Old 08-12-2012, 05:07 PM
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I checked one of these out and the first thing I noticed was the slop in the fold-able hinge. Does it go away when you tighten it down on the bass drum?
Not quite sure what you mean by slop in the hinge. Do you mean the arm that snaps into place next to the spring? If so mine is rock solid when it's locked in even if it's not attached to a bass drum.
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Old 08-12-2012, 05:15 PM
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I would imagine that Sonor are aware of the problem and will stand behind it. I hope so because the pedal looks like a really great concept. If I had the money I would pick one up without second thought.
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Old 08-12-2012, 05:17 PM
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I would imagine that Sonor are aware of the problem and will stand behind it. I hope so because the pedal looks like a really great concept. If I had the money I would pick one up without second thought.
It really is a fantastic pedal. Unbelievably smooth, fast and effortless to play.
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Old 08-12-2012, 05:20 PM
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I'm playing a low-end Yamaha strap drive pedal at the moment for exactly those reasons. Very responsive, low resistance and effortless. the Jojo pedal is the logical improvement from what I'm currently playing. I love the idea of a high-quality, light, strap-drive pedal.
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Old 08-12-2012, 05:28 PM
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That's exactly what it is. It's the elite of the strap drives. It's nice that a company has finally taken charge with the strap drives because right now the battle between companies is in the chain and direct-drive categories. Hopefully more companies will step up to contend against Sonor and we'll see lots of great new products.
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Old 08-12-2012, 05:34 PM
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Not quite sure what you mean by slop in the hinge. Do you mean the arm that snaps into place next to the spring? If so mine is rock solid when it's locked in even if it's not attached to a bass drum.
Yes the arm the beater is on it had a little slop in it but it was not attached to a drum, it kind of looked like it would go away when it was clamped onto a drum tough.
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Old 08-12-2012, 06:00 PM
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Yes the arm the beater is on it had a little slop in it but it was not attached to a drum, it kind of looked like it would go away when it was clamped onto a drum tough.
Hmmm that's the first I've heard of the issue. I'm not completely surprised and hopefully it's just an isolated issue. The issue I was mentioning seems to be pretty widespread but I'll keep an eye out for anyone having the issue you mentioned.
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:00 AM
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That's exactly what it is. It's the elite of the strap drives. It's nice that a company has finally taken charge with the strap drives because right now the battle between companies is in the chain and direct-drive categories. Hopefully more companies will step up to contend against Sonor and we'll see lots of great new products.
So having had mine for a week now, I must say it is definitely the elite strap drive pedal out there.

Mine has none of the problems listed in this thread or on the Derek Roddy thread. Out of the box, the back hinge on mine is tightened just right (it isn't so tight that it stands on its own, nor does it slide around making squeaking noises) and the column locks securely into place with no slop whatsoever. I love the minimalist design of this pedal and I don't understand one reviewer who said they look "cheap and slapped together". This pedal to me looks like a work of art that is well-engineered and durable that will stand up to man gigs for years to come.

To each his own, though...he probably has Trick pedals that cost 3 times as much and look ugly as sin to me. ;-)
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Old 08-20-2012, 10:34 PM
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I have an update! So I finally spoke with someone from Sonor on the phone. He said that Sonor is well aware of the issue and I should head back to the drum store I bought it from to swap it out for another one. Hopefully I can find one that has no issues. If this happens again I'll definitely be taking it back for good.
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Old 08-20-2012, 11:47 PM
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So goes it for Sonor getting the bugs out before distribution. I was looking at the pedal again this past Saturday, again I left it sit there. I can imagine sitting there on the floor going through a half dozen boxes before getting a pedal without a problem, lol. Not to show brevity or lack of compassion with your problem, it's just a mental caricature in my mind, particularly after Sonor's fanfare announcement concerning their new pedal.

BTW, I really do love most of Sonors products.

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Old 08-24-2012, 12:19 PM
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I also picked up one of these pedals and like the feel of it a lot. However, I am having two different issues from the one mentioned above.

The first is that the button for quick release and removal from the bass drum hoop becomes very stiff when the pedal is attached firmly to the hoop, making it pretty awkward to push. This mechanism is supposed to make set up and strip down faster and easier, but I have found that it doesn't work as effectively as I had hoped.

The other issue, that bothers me more, is that the strap itself seems to have a lot of give in it and so stretches while being played. I managed to get the pedal set up nicely with footboard height, spring tension and beater angle, but then it appeared that the strap had stretched slightly through use. This caused the height of the footboard to drop a little, resulting in it hitting the metal floor plate when fully down.I'm assuming Jojo chose this slightly flexible strap material for a reason, but I'm concerned about the way it appears to stretch in this way and that it may not last very long.

Has anyone else experienced either of these issues?
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Old 08-24-2012, 04:09 PM
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I took my pedal back to the store and Sonor is going to send me a replacement pedal right to my house. I never experienced the stiff button issue but the stretch in the strap is fairly normal from what I've heard.

I've been in talks with someone at Sonor and they said that in about 3 weeks a new, much stronger strap is going to be available that eliminates the stretch issue.
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Old 08-24-2012, 04:18 PM
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I took my pedal back to the store and Sonor is going to send me a replacement pedal right to my house. I never experienced the stiff button issue but the stretch in the strap is fairly normal from what I've heard.

I've been in talks with someone at Sonor and they said that in about 3 weeks a new, much stronger strap is going to be available that eliminates the stretch issue.
Sounds like I should follow your example. I bought mine online but hopefully I can do the same and send it back. I appreciate the feedback. I was thinking about just returning the pedal for a refund but if they are genuinely going to resolve these issues I think this could be a great pedal.
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:04 PM
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Sounds like I should follow your example. I bought mine online but hopefully I can do the same and send it back. I appreciate the feedback. I was thinking about just returning the pedal for a refund but if they are genuinely going to resolve these issues I think this could be a great pedal.
I'm willing to give them another chance, I think you should too. If the retailer you purchased it from gives you any hassle contact Sonor directly. They've been very helpful and understanding and have gone out of their way to make me happy.
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:55 PM
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My Jojo pedal saga has come to an end. Poor customer service coupled with constant issues has pushed me to get a refund and be done with it. I'll stick with my trusty Eliminators.
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:59 PM
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My Jojo pedal saga has come to an end. Poor customer service coupled with constant issues has pushed me to get a refund and be done with it. I'll stick with my trusty Eliminators.


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Old 08-31-2012, 01:38 AM
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My Jojo pedal saga has come to an end. Poor customer service coupled with constant issues has pushed me to get a refund and be done with it. I'll stick with my trusty Eliminators.
Would you mind elaborating on the situation at hand? Specifically the poor customer service.
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Old 08-31-2012, 02:19 AM
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Would you mind elaborating on the situation at hand? Specifically the poor customer service.
Absolutely. I contacted Sonor about the issue with my first pedal and they got back to me within a decent time frame (I believe it was 2 or 3 days). After that initial contact the rep I spoke with promised to get back to me the next day and asked for my contact info because he wanted to talk to me over the phone. I gave him the info and waited....and waited....

A week later I had still not been contacted and proceeded to email them back to see what was up. The next day they apologized and said once again they'd get back to me the next day. Again I waited. 3 or 4 days later they finally called me and I spoke with someone over the phone regarding the issue. His solution was to drive all the way back to the drum store I purchased the pedal from (an hour drive each way) to test the other pedals. I was reluctant to do this because there was no guarantee the other pedals would be problem free but I decided to take the advice and off I went. Sure enough, the other pedals all had the same problem.

I contacted them again to tell them this and they told me that they would send me a new pedal and would contact me the following day to confirm everything. I agreed and told them I looked forward to getting everything sorted out. This was last Friday. Almost a full week has passed and they haven't gotten back to me. I contacted the drum store I bought the pedal from and they were more than happy to give me a full refund.

I can safely say I will not be supporting Sonor in the future.
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that is a shame that a named player would introduce and promote a product with his name on it yet, and for it to have so many problems. Not knowing if I was going to like a double pedal or not, I bought an inexpensive Vex brand. It is well built, full of adjustments, and bells and whistles. The only problem was the hinge between the heel plate and the foot plate. Slop just like mentioned here. For that reason I don't play it often. But again only 99.00. As for strap drives I had one when I was young and despise them. If you want speed, you have to have something with no give. That would be direct drive. Chain at least is better than strap. With all of the pedals out there getting one that can fold would be the last gimmick I would shoot for.
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Old 08-31-2012, 06:12 AM
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that is a shame that a named player would introduce and promote a product with his name on it yet, and for it to have so many problems. Not knowing if I was going to like a double pedal or not, I bought an inexpensive Vex brand. It is well built, full of adjustments, and bells and whistles. The only problem was the hinge between the heel plate and the foot plate. Slop just like mentioned here. For that reason I don't play it often. But again only 99.00. As for strap drives I had one when I was young and despise them. If you want speed, you have to have something with no give. That would be direct drive. Chain at least is better than strap. With all of the pedals out there getting one that can fold would be the last gimmick I would shoot for.
The problem you mentioned with your Vex pedal isn't a big deal because it's a double pedal with a very low price point. The Jojo pedal is a top of the line single pedal with a substantial price tag and the quality should be in line with that. It's unacceptable for a pedal at that price point to have so many issues.

The folding part gets old fast. I've talked to a number of people who have had issues with the folding mechanism which puts another black mark on the pedal. Not only that but I came to realize that the folding mechanism is actually a drawback if you're constantly changing kits. Once you dial it in to a certain bass drum than that setting is no good if you switch to another one, you have to start over from scratch. Quite a headache for touring drummers that play different house kits night after night.
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Old 08-31-2012, 11:47 AM
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Re: jojo mayer new pedal: VIDEO FROM MUSIKMESSE

There's quite a lot of negativity here (about the JoJo Pedal) that I don't really understand.

You try the pedal, some may like it, some may not. Those that like then need to consider if they want it for the price.



All the negativity people, or is it just the magic of this forum- a gaggle of educated/experienced opinions, even abjective 6th sense examples that in some cases prove themselves to be an agreeable dose of reality once the tide is finally in?
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As for strap drives I had one when I was young and despise them.
Now....I'm not quite the same age as you are, but I remember the strap pedals from way back. Yes, not up to snuff for anything people would do today.

However, the strap on my DW 5000 from '99 had always been very responsive, and true to the stroke.

The strap on my Iron Cobra was great (just didn't like the heel plate, otherwise, it's a great pedal).

The (3) Eliminators I have originally had the chain for a long time. I changed them to the strap about 4 months ago, and they have no "give" whatsoever, and are smoother than the chain was.

Maybe give the (modern) strap drive another chance before you cast it aside for eternity :-)...unless you have, then, forget it haha!

I shortened the straps to the length I shortened the chains to, and the feel is almost identical, but the strap is smoother.

I did hear that Sonor is changing the strap they offer with the PB pedal to a more sturdy one. It obviously works for JoJo, and seems to work fine for my friend that uses that foot technique, but for us average schmos, it's been said to stretch a bit.

I DID really like the pedal when I played on it. I love the footboard and really dig the open side, but, I can do anything I want with my Elims, so I'm not changing from them.
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My Jojo pedal saga has come to an end. Poor customer service coupled with constant issues has pushed me to get a refund and be done with it. I'll stick with my trusty Eliminators.
I feel sorry for you. But you've displayed more than enough patience and positive mindset - IMO this is not to be taken for granted from the customer's end. I would have reacted the same way - or ended the affair even sooner. (This refers to your case with that pedal. I do love my new Sonor shellkit though.) Again, it's a shame they put those pedals on the market while there were various issues. That's not the way to do it.
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Old 09-02-2012, 09:43 PM
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You guys don't seem to remember that the Pearl Demon Drive had similar problems when it first came out, they were solved in the next revisions, the difference here being that Sonor is a much smaller company.
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Old 09-03-2012, 04:56 AM
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I remember all the issues the Demon's had and how Pearl fixed the majority of those problems quickly. My reasoning for giving up on this pedal isn't the hardware issues, it's the poor customer service.
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Old 09-03-2012, 04:02 PM
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I am sorry to hear about Scooter's experiences . My Sonor PB pdal has been perfect and I have experienced none of the issues reported. I am quite happy with it, I enjoy the pedal and it makes playing very easy. I have been a strap drive fan from way back . I have been using direct drive pedals (Trick Pro 1V and Axis Longboard) prior to purchasing the Sonor PB pedal and the Sonor pedal will probably become my main gigging pedal now.
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Old 09-27-2012, 05:31 AM
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I got my replacement strap a couple days ago.
I liked the pedal but I could feel the strap stretch under my foot, it's hard to explain.
When I first got the pedal, I was pretty arrogant about the whole thing ("yeah , I know how to attach a pedal to a bass drum hoop thanks") and ignored the instructions. I bet a lot of you that own the pedal did the same thing. Much better feel after reading the instructions. The clamp has to be TIGHT on the hoop and done in the right order, before folding upright.
The Sonor rep here in Canada sent out a memo with the new strap saying the initial shipment (to Canada?) had the wrong strap, not the one intended for the pedal. incredible how this can happen, but anyway...
I took the old strap off and...holy crap, I could strech the old strap with my hands by about a quarter of an inch along the length. Now I know that my earlier comment about feeling the strap stretch under my foot was, in fact what I was feeling.
All is great now with the pedal. Thanks Jojo, thanks Sonor.
The folding thing and the bag are also brilliant.
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Old 09-28-2012, 10:38 AM
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I got mine yesterday. No issues.
It's amazing how it just slides onto the hoop without any clamping required.
The foot board is also amazing. I have only played barefoot, so I am not sure about socks or shoes, but my foot naturally sits right on the sweet spot. And it's not slippery in spite of the polished finish. As a matter of fact the foot almost sticks to the board - at exactly the right location.
Right out of the box it liked the spring tension, but moved the beater a bit further away from the head.
I have been paying a Tama iron cobra unil now. The Sonor pedal is not as powerful, but the feel is better. Have not made up my mind yet which one stays in the kit, but the Sonor sure is a nice pedal.
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