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Old 08-07-2012, 09:35 PM
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Im looking for a stick endorsement and I was wondering was there anyone here who is endorsed by a stick company?
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Old 08-07-2012, 10:47 PM
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I endorse Vic Firth Sticks, but I don't think they endorse me.

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Old 08-08-2012, 12:10 AM
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Second this. lol It would be nice if they did though.
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Old 08-08-2012, 03:04 AM
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Nope. There are artists who endorse stick companies, however. This is not NASCAR, drummers don't get sponsored.
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Old 08-08-2012, 11:19 AM
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This is not NASCAR, drummers don't get sponsored.
Shoot.....better put away the fire suit....
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:20 PM
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Im looking for a stick endorsement......
Hey, if they're that easy....get me one while you're at it. I want free sticks too :-)

Seriously, there are many threads here regarding endorsements. They are well worth the read and contain plenty of posts by endorsing artists as to just what is required to even be considered by a company in the first place (not in the least, the correct terminology as to who endorses who).

Check 'em out. If it were as simple a process as "looking for endorsements" we'd all have one.
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Old 08-08-2012, 07:04 PM
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Hey, if they're that easy....get me one while you're at it. I want free sticks too
Endorsements don't always mean free product.
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Old 08-08-2012, 08:36 PM
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Endorsements don't always mean free product.
Unless you are almost a household name you can expect to at least make partial payment for gear .
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Old 08-08-2012, 10:15 PM
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Not toot my own FAQ, but the OP will find a good starting point at www.bermudaschwartz.com/endorsement If you can make it through the FAQ and still say "yeah, I'm eligible," then go for it.

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Old 08-08-2012, 11:33 PM
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In short:

1) Like a drum product a lot
2) Become marketable/visible to some extent
3a) Offer to endorse this product you like so much
3b) If you're extremely visible/marketable, the manufacturer may ask you for the endorsement

I'll say it again - the number of endorsing drummers, in proportion to the total number of drummers, is a VERY lopsided ratio.

Also, as is pointed out on Bermuda's FAQ, most drum-industry companies can smell someone just looking for a handout.
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Old 08-08-2012, 11:52 PM
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So you should be thinking: "I'd like to endorse a stick company, how do I go about this? can anyone here share their experience endorsing a stick company?"

Technically, I endorse lots of company's, there is just no paper work to back that up. At the lower tiers of endorsement status (where there is no free stuff), I'm don't really understand the difference between that and just extolling the virtues of a stick company in everyday life, like most of us already do. It seems like just a formality to get your name on paper at the company, then poof you now endorse company X. If there is no free stuff involved (no cost to the company), I don't know why anyone would be turned away and those lower levels. But if it were that easy, i think more people would be endorsing products... I just don't know.
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Old 08-09-2012, 12:34 AM
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If there is no free stuff involved (no cost to the company), I don't know why anyone would be turned away and those lower levels. But if it were that easy, i think more people would be endorsing products... I just don't know.
Some companies simply sign up everyone they can, charge them the "artist price", add them to a long list of unfamiliar names with no artist affilation, and call them endorsers.

But the truth is, an endorsement only means something if the endorser's choice of that product actually matters to the company's target buyers.

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Old 08-09-2012, 01:11 AM
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Endorsements don't always mean free product.
Geez, you'd think I've never read your FAQ......or read the other couple of hundred thousand threads on endorsements......or met an endorsing artist.......or had a giggle. :-)
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:18 AM
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Yeah, I know, but this stuff just gets repeated ad nauseum. I'm really not sure why I bother at all though, a search will reveal all the answers needed.

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Old 08-09-2012, 12:30 PM
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Because the people who ask these questions ad nauseum never use the search?

Hay guys, what's the best double pedal?

Hay guys, what drum heads will let me sound like this YouTube clip?

Hay guys, I have a budget of $300, what drums should I buy?

Hay guys, I'm going to buy a bunch of cymbals blindly (deafly?) off of the internets, what should I get?
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Old 08-09-2012, 12:38 PM
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What I don't understand is how so many young players seem to think that comanies are just waiting to throw free gear at anyone who asks nicely. The very concept of that would make no sense on any level.

This is not specifically directed at OP; just a general observation about the endless "how do I get an endorsement" threads.
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Old 08-09-2012, 03:39 PM
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What I don't understand is how so many young players seem to think that comanies are just waiting to throw free gear at anyone who asks nicely. The very concept of that would make no sense on any level.

This is not specifically directed at OP; just a general observation about the endless "how do I get an endorsement" threads.
Well, the age of the YouTube sensation and some of these companies who throw "endorsements" around like candy have diluted what it means to a younger generation, who is already prone to stick their hand out before they do any work for it.

I've been playing for 26 years, and whether they know it or not, I endorse Yamaha, Evans, and Vic Firth. ;)
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Old 08-09-2012, 03:49 PM
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Because the people who ask these questions ad nauseum never use the search?

Hay guys, what's the best double pedal?

Hay guys, what drum heads will let me sound like this YouTube clip?

Hay guys, I have a budget of $300, what drums should I buy?

Hay guys, I'm going to buy a bunch of cymbals blindly (deafly?) off of the internets, what should I get?
Don't forget:

What drum key should I buy?



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Old 08-09-2012, 04:06 PM
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What I don't understand is how so many young players seem to think that comanies are just waiting to throw free gear at anyone who asks nicely.
It was that very misconception that prompted me to post my information online in 1998, and later make it a permanent, updatable FAQ. This was well before companies thought it was important to make the info available, even though it would have saved them a lot of grief from prospective hopefuls that should have known they didn't have a shot at a deal. Various companies were aware and grateful that I'd posted the info, saying it was info they wish every player knew. Eventually, some form of endorsement info appears on pretty much every company's site, and a few companies have simply adopted my FAQ, which is flattering. :)

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Old 08-09-2012, 05:20 PM
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... and a few companies have simply adopted my FAQ, which is flattering. :)

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I should think so! Are you at liberty to say which ones?
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Old 08-09-2012, 05:30 PM
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It was that very misconception that prompted me to post my information online in 1998, and later make it a permanent, updatable FAQ. This was well before companies thought it was important to make the info available, even though it would have saved them a lot of grief from prospective hopefuls that should have known they didn't have a shot at a deal. Various companies were aware and grateful that I'd posted the info, saying it was info they wish every player knew. Eventually, some form of endorsement info appears on pretty much every company's site, and a few companies have simply adopted my FAQ, which is flattering. :)

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We're reworking our site for the new series, & I'll be taking the opportunity to put up an endorsement statement too. Even though we're a tiny company, we still get at least 2 or 3 requests per week. Very few of them are from players we would be interested in, & then, when we state our terms to the remaining few, we rarely hear from them again. A statement would certainly cut down on our back office workload, as we really do take time out to reply sympathetically.
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Old 08-09-2012, 05:31 PM
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I gotta' say that as a former endorser of two cymbal companies and a drum company, If I could get my hands on free equipment, it would be sticks.

I've been using my current drums for a few years. They sound good, and I recently had them professionally painted. So I'll be good on drums for years. I just got new Sabian cymbals a few months back, so cymbals will be good for a long time.

But sticks? I could change drumstick models more than underwear if I could get them cheap enough. I just haven't found the one stick that feels like it was made for me. The closest I've come is Vater's 2B Nudes. I've tried tons of brands and models, but I haven't even tipped the ice berg on all the sticks I'd like to try.
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Old 08-12-2012, 05:20 AM
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I endorse Silverfox Drumsticks. I've been with them close to two years now and don't plan on switching companies any time soon, if ever. Even if they came to me and said they were severing the contract or weren't going to re-sign me I'd keep using their sticks.

A friend introduced me to Silverfox and I instantly fell in love. You should only endorse products that you 100% stand behind. If you're just in it for free/cheap gear you're doing this for the wrong reasons. Aside from the sticks being expertly made, the thing that I really like about Silverfox is that they coat their sticks with a special clear coating called Duracrylx™. This coating enhances the durability of the sticks and makes them extremely strong.

I used to break anywhere between 1 to 5 sticks per week with the previous company I used (not going to name who). I have good technique but I'm a heavy hitter and the sticks would break in the oddest ways sometimes. Since making the switch to Silverfox I've broken 3 sticks.....that's right, 3 sticks in almost 2 years. I have countless sticks that have been chewed up but they just simply refuse to break which has saved me a fortune.

That right there is why I endorse them, and will continue to endorse them for the foreseeable future.
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Old 08-12-2012, 07:00 AM
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I should think so! Are you at liberty to say which ones?
Sabian, Saluda (although I think they've changed it), Sennheiser (not sure if they still use it), Hammerax, I think there are a few others that have adopted/adapted my FAQ.

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Old 08-17-2012, 05:42 PM
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Don't forget:

What drum key should I buy?



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"What drum key should I buy for a metal tuning?" ;-)
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Old 08-17-2012, 07:40 PM
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Sabian, Saluda (although I think they've changed it), Sennheiser (not sure if they still use it), Hammerax, I think there are a few others that have adopted/adapted my FAQ.
Do they pay to use your product, or have you worked out other terms for these companies that endorse your work?
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Old 08-17-2012, 07:59 PM
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Nobody endorses my work, I endorse their product. Nobody pays me to use their gear. I use what I want to use, and then offer my endorsement. So far, almost every company feels that has value, and I become an endorser. :)

As for my endorsement FAQ, that's just a favor to the companies who like what I've put together. I didn't invent any of the concepts, but I believe I'm the first to compile the info and make it public.

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Old 08-17-2012, 08:31 PM
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Nobody endorses my work...As for my endorsement FAQ...
Ah, but they do endorse your work! If they’re using your FAQ, they endorse it, n’est pas? I hope they’re giving you credit.
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"What drum key should I buy for a metal tuning?" ;-)
A metal one, geese ...lol
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Old 08-18-2012, 01:23 AM
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"What drum key should I buy for a metal tuning?" ;-)
Not an Evans Magnetic key if you happen to have a Tama drum kit.

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Old 08-20-2012, 05:04 PM
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Not an Evans Magnetic key if you happen to have a Tama drum kit.

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But our Torque Key and Drill bit keys work fine. We're aware of the fit issue with the newer undersized Tama tension rods and are tweaking the Magnetic Key design to accomodate it.
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Old 08-21-2012, 12:27 AM
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But our Torque Key and Drill bit keys work fine. We're aware of the fit issue with the newer undersized Tama tension rods and are tweaking the Magnetic Key design to accommodate it.
This is great to hear. At least right now you have a 66.6% success rate with your drum keys, lol, and I've tried the other keys that you mentioned with much better success. I'll buy another magnetic key to see if the fit is more snug with the Tama tension rods. The Evans Magnetic key does fit very loosely on any tension rod head no matter what manufacturers drums that I tried them on, but just spin on the Tama rods..

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Not toot my own FAQ, but the OP will find a good starting point at www.bermudaschwartz.com/endorsement If you can make it through the FAQ and still say "yeah, I'm eligible," then go for it.

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Bermuda, your Faq was good but missing a key point, Endorsement is also advertisement for the little guy. It just depends on whos name is bigger. The Musician or the Company.

The truth is it all boils down to sales and sell-ability to the company. While to the musician it is another way to get your foot in the door or to be able to afford the toy they were dreaming of. You just have to ask; the worst they can say is no. Also, the company's do a great job backing their artists with media coverage. By doing things like putting their name in magazines or on their web pages. That is the stuff that is more valuable than the discounted gear! That is the real perk of the endorsement, especially to the little nobody!

In my case I am a handyman by trade, struggling to make it every year. I played alone in my basement to cds for years for fun with never joining a band. But I got board with it so 10 years ago I began trying stick tricks. 3 years ago I finally joined a basement band that covers 50+ songs. A group of guys who just got together weekly and played for fun. We have played 10 actual shows in that time, which is nothing to a musician!

Now I myself as far as I know.. I am one of maybe 5 guys in the whole nation who can play as I do, constantly spinning and tossing sticks while playing. With Rarity comes a demand! Once my talent is exposed to the right group, I shouldn't have a hard time finding a job. Some band can use a rare showman. What do I have to lose!

Even though I don't fit 99% of endorsement criteria and I cant afford to replace all of my gear. Also, maybe I am only special in my own mind!?! But any Exposure from a big company saying "we endorse each other" could be the difference of my next gig being "my local watering hole" once a month or maybe my getting just the right exposure from them to where I get seen and picked up by a small touring band playing nightly where I no longer need to work on peoples houses and struggle to pay the bills. Believe me, I know I won't be headlining stadium tours. But it would be a lot bigger of a jump-start on a music career.

I must say, the first door opening by talent aspect alone when you are a nobody is honestly slim to none. I live it. It is all about knowing the right person or getting lucky in the right place. When I do promote a video I will get a hundred hits in a week, but then thats all of the people I know. I only started pursing a career in music as of this past Christmas. So I just started, and yes I am looking for endorsement or sponsorship; it is publicity, who wouldn't want publicity when you are trying to start off.

Now if said company puts on press my name or features me on their website. My media Hits go up, Product exposure goes up... both parties win. Believe me, in 5 years I'd love to have to do a seminar teaching the next generation how to do what I love to do. Rather than replacing some guys toilet.

I have done my homework and research before hand. Now being that my professional portfolio is basically zero even though I have played for 23 years for my own enjoyment and I have played with tricks for 10 years. It is an "easy foot in the door" for me to just ask a company and hope they accept. Luckily I am rare.

On a side note, if you like showmanship and tricks, Here is a link to my youtube playlist of my most recent work. I am currently working on becoming more upper body animated and I was told I need to simplify the beats (hitting the notes that count and not worry about playing every note in a song.) Giving more time for bigger swings and tricks.
I finally put up a mirror so I can see my performance and can try to improve more. But that is just a challenge to myself... Just a challenge to keep me occupied in my own little world...

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Old 01-02-2013, 03:58 PM
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Bermuda, your Faq was good but missing a key point, Endorsement is also advertisement for the little guy.

Now I myself as far as I know.. I am one of maybe 5 guys in the whole nation who can play as I do, constantly spinning and tossing sticks while playing.
Watched the vid, and if Chip Ritter and Steve Moore had a son, it would be you!

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I must say, the first door opening by talent aspect alone when you are a nobody is honestly slim to none.... So I just started, and yes I am looking for endorsement or sponsorship; it is publicity, who wouldn't want publicity when you are trying to start off.
Simply put, the endorser is there for the company's benefit. not the other way around. Yes there's product consideration for the artist, but the company wants to sell product to people who already know who the drummer is and are impressed with what they do. It's not the company's job to promote the drummer to a position where he then becomes an attractive endorser. A company wants artists who, by use of their name and image alone, will help them sell more product. You've got to have something to offer them right from the start.

That said, you may have a slight advantage with a stick company, because what you do is so stick-centric. ProMark has both Chip and Steve, which means they either don't want anymore trick guys, or want to corner the market on them. Under new ownership and management, it's hard to say which way they'd go at this point.

That said, some companies will take on "artists" and simply sell them product at an attractive discount. This helps you with your costs, and the company benefits by your not spending that money with their competitors.

I always recommend using what tou like, and not letting a potential deal govern what you use. Make sure you choose the product that gives you the best feel.

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Old 01-08-2013, 05:12 PM
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I think Youtube drummers have a lot of influence in this as well, as you often see they list themselves as 'endorsed' by such and such company, when in fact their endorsement is nothing more than perhaps a minor discount or just the opportunity to stroke the ego.

Gives a misconception of the endorsement world.
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:53 PM
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Gives a misconception of the endorsement world.
That's a long standing discussion about what constitutes an endorsement, and what role if any integrity plays for both the artist, and the company. With the exception of some extremely visible and well-respected artists, companies always take a chance when signing an artist, whether it will pay off for them or not. In the end, it's the drummers as consumers who decide whether another drummer's endorsement has any value.

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