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Old 06-23-2012, 06:34 PM
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Double pedal isn't all about punk/metal, look at Bellson, Billy Cobham...etc..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFJAdt-GRu4 Benny Greb does an awesome job with his doubles too.
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Old 06-23-2012, 08:26 PM
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Well it's a love / hate thing with me and double pedals.
I practice w/ them on my practice pad set-up and ...
I hate that I still sound like a spazz but I love that they really get my left foot doing more on the HH.
On my practice pad set-up (for my feet) I'll practice mostly rudiments (& Stick Control book) and have my hands do the ostinato line and/or I work on grooves. Engaging my left foot w/ the double pedal has definitely improved my coordination and my playing.
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:11 PM
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how can a double pedal destroy rythym.. maybe if a drummer doesnt have any to begin with.. shoot i will learn to play hi hat and kick with the same foot at the same time, darn it im getting rid of my kick drum so i can develop better rythym.. what im thinking .. all i need is a snare.. these one handed rolls sure make for a great rythym.. actually the quad triple double single pedal with double bounce option setting is the bomb... thats the one for me.. i can play 20 beats on each stroke.. do the math..

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Old 06-26-2012, 07:53 PM
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this is it from me on the subject. this is why im not really that partial to them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_0ZNho_kuE
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I'd rather go with two kicks, than a double, tihi. Loui Bellson-style.
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I'd rather go with two kicks, than a double, tihi. Loui Bellson-style.
yeah i dont mind the two kicks, especially at different pitches, interesting sound
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Old 06-26-2012, 09:04 PM
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this is it from me on the subject. this is why im not really that partial to them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_0ZNho_kuE
Aaah yes, but, you chosed a very bad exemple, this is amateur stuff, and I agree it's not very inspiring, however, double bass or double pedal drumming can also be this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-DsG__S5t4

or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij7yR0LubxY

or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FuKs4buY6U

or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKAPR1ceRaA

or a solo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvBRTHxsXCw

... context is everything, double bass will always be there, it's what you do with them that's the key, the drummer in your link would not be very good even if he played a single pedal, he needs some practice before he gets there, it has to groove... and he's not there just yet :)
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:30 PM
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... context is everything, double bass will always be there, it's what you do with them that's the key, the drummer in your link would not be very good even if he played a single pedal, he needs some practice before he gets there, it has to groove... and he's not there just yet :)
Has to be said there is some very tasteful double pedal playing there. But the point i was making about my video is that (and yes i know hes not exactly the greatest drummer ever) he is filling his solo with double bass pedal totally and thus removing rhythm from his playing, now i know not everyone will do that with a double bass pedal but the majority of people do. I am a young player and ive been drumming for ten years, in that time ive only ever seen many double pedal players doing exactly the same as this guy. and from hearing the occasional heavy metal song. only when i come on drummer world and get replies from experienced drummers that my eyes are opened. so i dont think im totally stubborn for thinking that the majority of players do horrible things with double pedals. but i was wrong in my initial statement. maybe its the drummers who are destroying the double pedal
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Old 06-27-2012, 01:21 AM
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yeah i dont mind the two kicks, especially at different pitches, interesting sound
Honestly, how is it any different? Whether or not the beaters hit the same head or a different one, it's still two pedals being used in exactly the same manner. How does the concept change? They are either played well or they aren't.

This argument makes no sense at all. Are you sure you've thought this through?

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in that time ive only ever seen many double pedal players doing exactly the same as this guy.
Then you need to get out more mate.

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maybe its the drummers who are destroying the double pedal
Hmmm...maybe? When was the last time you heard a pedal play itself? In all seriousness, yep....I reckon you're listening to the wrong guys mate. Focus some attention on those who do use them musically and tastefully and see if your opinion changes.


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(and yes i know hes not exactly the greatest drummer ever)
Actually, allow me to rephrase that.

He's not exactly a drummer.....ever. :-)
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Old 06-27-2012, 03:46 AM
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this is it from me on the subject. this is why im not really that partial to them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_0ZNho_kuE
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yeah i dont mind the two kicks, especially at different pitches, interesting sound
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Has to be said there is some very tasteful double pedal playing there. But the point i was making about my video is that (and yes i know hes not exactly the greatest drummer ever) he is filling his solo with double bass pedal totally and thus removing rhythm from his playing, now i know not everyone will do that with a double bass pedal but the majority of people do.
Really? You used that guy as an "example"? Really? Really really? You have a lot more to worry about than drummers not having rhythm with double bass pedals. I seriously hope you don't expect to be taken seriously here because this is nothing but a "stir the pot" joke of a thread. I suppose it's good that you're opening your eyes now about double pedal playing but you have a long way to go to understanding about them, why people use them and that IT'S OK to use them for what ever he hell you want to as long as it sounds good and is utilized properly. Don't be another single pedal snob, it's becoming overly crowded as it is!

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Old 06-27-2012, 04:33 AM
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... But the point i was making about my video is that (and yes i know hes not exactly the greatest drummer ever) he is filling his solo with double bass pedal totally and thus removing rhythm from his playing, now i know not everyone will do that with a double bass pedal but the majority of people do. I am a young player and ive been drumming for ten years, in that time ive only ever seen many double pedal players doing exactly the same as this guy. and from hearing the occasional heavy metal song. only when i come on drummer world and get replies from experienced drummers that my eyes are opened. so i dont think im totally stubborn for thinking that the majority of players do horrible things with double pedals. but i was wrong in my initial statement. maybe its the drummers who are destroying the double pedal
Maybe the way you needed to state this whole thing was, "One thing that really bothers me about double pedals is drummers who need work on just basic elements of groove and rhythm are using and/or concentrating on double pedaling instead".

You chose a YouTube video of a not-very-good drummer to illustrate your original point of "Double Bass Pedals are the Devils Work!" and further continue to state that the "majority of people" use double bass pedal the way this guy does. Yet we just showed you several very musical, inventive ways of using double pedal (I think that Benny Greb clip is completely brilliant, by the way). I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here other than a typical forum argument that will have no winner.

Go play your single pedal and be happy. I happen to own a double, I do not play repetitive sixteenths over every song (and call them thirty-seconds), and I'm fine with all that.
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Or, you can play metal with it and do it right...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OspZayRNMQ

It has a place, it's just not behind your kit.
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this is it from me on the subject. this is why im not really that partial to them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_0ZNho_kuE


You should have stopped watching that video either at the beginning when you see his one "holy batman angled tom-tom" or about 2 minutes in when he does that really awkward (almost retarded) looking blast beat.

I could see how you lost faith in double bass drumming after watching that video, because lets be honest... anyone who sat through the entirety of that solo probably lost faith in humanity.
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I could see how you lost faith in double bass drumming after watching that video,
I can't. It's like watching a kid finger paint and losing faith in fine art. Like watching someone build sand castles and losing faith in engineering. Watching me swing a golf club and losing faith in the PGA.

This thread, the reasons for it and the example provided are silly beyond all comprehension. The OP's perception has been swayed by the most feeble of examples available. He'd be better served ignoring the rubbish and opening his eyes, his ears AND his mind to far better examples, IMHO.

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because lets be honest... anyone who sat through the entirety of that solo probably lost faith in humanity.
Now that is hard to argue with. :-)
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Honestly, how is it any different? Whether or not the beaters hit the same head or a different one, it's still two pedals being used in exactly the same manner. How does the concept change? They are either played well or they aren't.

This argument makes no sense at all. Are you sure you've thought this through?



Then you need to get out more mate.



Hmmm...maybe? When was the last time you heard a pedal play itself? In all seriousness, yep....I reckon you're listening to the wrong guys mate. Focus some attention on those who do use them musically and tastefully and see if your opinion changes.




Actually, allow me to rephrase that.

He's not exactly a drummer.....ever. :-)
In my opinion, double pedals are a 1980s Monster Kit affectation that made it mainstream because first, many drummers don't like the discipline of the hihat and second, they think it looks "cool." Despite all the supposed passion for small kits and "doing more with less," double pedaling is a hallmark of Monster Kit excess that many are content to overlook.

I think double pedals usually annoy other musicians, befuddle the audience and distract the drummer from the groove. Double pedals are the single-most popular topic in gear, technique and general discussion, but have the least applicability to real-life situations, except for a handful of niche genres.
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I think double pedals usually annoy other musicians, befuddle the audience and distract the drummer from the groove.
Says my old mate with the Dualist!! :-)
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a double bass pedal or playing 2 bass drums enhances the drummers possibilities way more than a single bass pedal ever could. any drummer that knocks double bass playing either: 1) it's to over whelming for them, 2) is way too old school, or 3) doesn't have the technique to shuffle your left foot between hh pedal and kick pedal. i would also add a 4th for 4 limb independance being a factor in double bass playing but if you lack 4 limb independance maybe seriously consider another instrument, to think you can't groove with double bass or it's only for playing fast is blasphemy, get with the times already. double kick playing also helps to create more inventive fills and nice polyrhythms.
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Because single pedal snobs are setting the drumming world back 50 years.

Double pedals/double bass drums are part of the evolution of drumming. Deal with it.
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sometimes i really hate this forum.... personally i think when guys try to toss in too many beats before the backbeat it really takes away from the feel of the rhythm... personally i don't see them as a great advancement in drumming... i don't like the actual bass drum sound of guys that play fast bass drum stuff.... i like the drum to sound like a drum, thumpy with an actual tone... the short clicky slappy sound does not appeal to me tonally
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sometimes i really hate this forum...
Tastes and choices are one thing... but why that does make you hate this forum?!?
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i just think people take this stuff way too seriously and i don't like arguing on the internet... the faceless arguments where you have no idea of the context of where the person is coming from... you could be arguing about the merits of something with a 12 year old who has no musical foundation yet or matured tastes but is adamant at correcting you... not saying that has happened on this thread or not but it happens
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For the most part, I dispise the Metal where the drummers play the constant 32nd notes for nearly an entire song. It's not creative, it's not special, it's not entertaining. It's become a competition to a lot of people who can play double bass faster... My question is, who cares?

My band does a song, and at the end of it we cut loose. I blast beat on the China and snare while playing 32nds on the kick for the last few bars of the song. We do it for the soul purpose of MOCKING that sort of music.
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i just think people take this stuff way too seriously and i don't like arguing on the internet... the faceless arguments where you have no idea of the context of where the person is coming from... you could be arguing about the merits of something with a 12 year old who has no musical foundation yet or matured tastes but is adamant at correcting you... not saying that has happened on this thread or not but it happens
Granted... but a forum is to discuss various topics, with different opinions than ours to generate a rewarding discussion, if we all had the same opinions and same tastes it would be utterly boring, isn't it, as for argumentative posts between members, it takes two to argue...

I'm not arguing, just saying... I love this forum :)

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All those drummers who play this type of music, all their band mates and all their fans.
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For the most part, I dispise the Metal where the drummers play the constant 32nd notes for nearly an entire song. It's not creative, it's not special, it's not entertaining. It's become a competition to a lot of people who can play double bass faster... My question is, who cares? (...)
Is it not (creative, special, entertaining)? One opinion vs. another.
(Personally, I don't want to listen to a whole album being in shuffle feel - now is that creative or what? - or having some other 'strict' rules - and there are certain rules/guidelines/cliches in every genre.)

Many times those fast/massive double bass parts are there... to actually fit the music/context. Anything else/less would take away the intended energy. It's not blues, it's not jazz, it's not swing... sorry, sometimes a good amount of double bass is the way to go. Doesn't have to please everybody.

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Ive been following this thread without voicing my opinion until now...I just read Sticks Easy's comments about mocking blastbeats, and it kinda got me po'd. If you hate something SOOOOO much, why? Why bother "mocking" it in your bands music? Obviously you like SOMETHING about it, otherwise, you wouldnt have wasted your time(according to you) writing a section in your beloved music to not leave a section out. Am I right? You dont see any metal guys throwing jazz parts, or blues parts in a metal song to mock that type of music, do you? Im a metal drummer, and I have nothing but respect for jazz drummers/blues drummers/rudimental drummers. Know why? Because I cant play jazz, blues, and only know 3 or 4 rudiments. Plain and simple. And just remember: Mockery is the most sincere form of flattery...
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Ok, my 0.02c....

I use a double bass pedal. I rely on it more than I probably should. I'm not in a metal band, I play classic rock and do a fair bit of session playing. The first bits of gear I owned were a drum stool, a practice pad on a stand and a double pedal, so I was inclined to play with 2 feet for the kick work.

For me it's about options. It's the same as splash cymbals, more than 1 crash, chinas, extra drums, percussion or anything else. There are some fills (6 16th note triplets over a beat and finishing on a snare and cymbal for example) that simply can't be played with 1 foot. Sometimes I'll need to do fast triplets or quads on my feet while my hands do other stuff. It's a simple case of I'd rather have to option of that fill than not.

I don't mindlessly fill every second of music with blistering kicks on every song I play, partly because my skills are limited in that, and partly because it just wouldn't sound right. It's all about placement for me. Some of the coolest grooves and fills I play revolve around making my left foot work for me, mostly on a kick drum.

Still, I know a lot of players, especially around here, who don't go near them. It's horses for courses. If you like it, go for it, if you prefer not, then that's cool too. It's the diversity in drummers such as this one that gives us so many varied styles grooves and fills to enjoy!
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Ive been following this thread without voicing my opinion until now...I just read Sticks Easy's comments about mocking blastbeats, and it kinda got me po'd. If you hate something SOOOOO much, why? Why bother "mocking" it in your bands music? Obviously you like SOMETHING about it, otherwise, you wouldnt have wasted your time(according to you) writing a section in your beloved music to not leave a section out. Am I right? You dont see any metal guys throwing jazz parts, or blues parts in a metal song to mock that type of music, do you? Im a metal drummer, and I have nothing but respect for jazz drummers/blues drummers/rudimental drummers. Know why? Because I cant play jazz, blues, and only know 3 or 4 rudiments. Plain and simple. And just remember: Mockery is the most sincere form of flattery...
Im sorry to rain on the parade, but Bitchslap/Do Nothing by Slipknot totally has not a Jazz and a Disco section in it. It's on Mate, Kill, Feed, Repeat...

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Some people get so sensative about the smallest things. Why should it matter what type of pedal someone uses, as long as they play well. I use a dw 5000 single and it suits me fine. I would like a double pedal, but its not worth twice the money to me because most of what I want to do can be done with a 5000. I don't see why you would want to bash a bunch of people for going with double, or going single for that matter. I would put my single 5000 against some of the wannabe metal drummers with their sound percussion double pedal, and be very confident about the outcome. It isn't the pedal, it is the drummer. I know I am not on the level of many drummers on here, but at the same time I don't base my playing on a 12 piece set with 20 cymbals and a double pedal. I play a four piece and right now have a crash and a ride. I am not bashing people with big sets. I am talking about the attitude of not really being a good drummer just trying to cover their mistakes with a ton of hitting. Again, it is nothing against anyone with double kick or big setups,if that is your style go for it, but if you don't know how to play the drums then learn how to play before you go embarress yourself trying to be cool.
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