...for the jazz cats ...

[Anthony Amodeo]

Originally Posted by con struct

I saw that group when they played Atlanta. I was so looking forward to it that there wasn't any way it could have fulfilled my expectations, and it didn't. In fact it was rather stilted, like there was some trouble on stage, egos at play, something like that. Whatever, it just didn't gel, and when you think about it how could it have?

totally understand how that could have been J
lots of egos up there I guess
and from what I have heard Tony was not the easiest person to deal with

[Anthony Amodeo]

Originally Posted by Ytsephill

I feel like I will never "finish" the book 'Beyond Bop Drumming'.
There are days where I play through pages and pages and the next day I find myself relearning those pages or exercises again.

I'm learning so much from the book, and its really broaden my playing.
I have loads of fun playing Jack DeJohnettes transcriptions. For the 10 seconds I play the 4 bars of his comping, makes me feel happy to be playing something he played, note for note. I don't know, it kind of dismistifies what is a baffling at times to hear. That man is a genius.

Sorry for the random post! :)

I feel you my man

that book is so packed with knowledge it feels like it never ends ....Ill work on a chapter.....then after a few months I go back to that chapter and re work it again and learn more than I did the first time

I agree.....I feel so amazing inside when I play the Jack and the Elvin transcriptions on that book.
it fills me with joy and excitement every single time

I feel like I will forever be working out of all 3 of Mr. Rileys books.....but especially Beyond Bop and Jazz Drummers Workshop

they have opened my eyes to so many things and I am forever thankful that they exist

[Numberless]

A little change of pace...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxeb0cwjE8U

[Anon La Ply]

I remember that one, Num. Stylistically like Stuff but the drummer's more like Purdie than Gadd to my ear - funky guy. Inventive pianist.

YouTube just suggested this to me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HISo0r-UcI

Never heard of Oliver Nelson until now but it's a big name lineup - the horns are magical.

[8Mile]

Originally Posted by Anon La Ply

Never heard of Oliver Nelson until now but it's a big name lineup - the horns are magical.

No? I'm always touting that album around here. I bet you it's in one of the links I posted for your recommended listening a few months back.

It was in my list of perfect song moments here: http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...68&postcount=5

[Numberless]

I'm playing an arrangement of Blues and the Abstract Truth in a saxophone ensemble this semester, that opening line is so sick (and hard lol).

[Anthony Amodeo]

Originally Posted by Numberless

A little change of pace...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxeb0cwjE8U

loved that clip
....................

[Anon La Ply]

Originally Posted by 8Mile

No? I'm always touting that album around here. I bet you it's in one of the links I posted for your recommended listening a few months back.

It was in my list of perfect song moments here: http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...68&postcount=5

Missed it, Larry - seems the link is blocked to Australians.

Good luck with that piece, Num. If you play it even half as tasty as Roy H it'll sound great.

[Numberless]

I'm watching a docu on netflix called Chops, about high school jazz bands competing in the Essentially Ellington competition, check it out!

[8Mile]

What I love about the way Roy plays Stolen Moments is his pickup note with the brushes. We've talked about playing in the cracks between straight and swung 8th notes, but Roy goes to the other side and plays it like a dotted 8th note. It's very compressed and gives it a feel that contrasts beautifully with the very swung phrases the rest of the band are playing.

[Anthony Amodeo]

Originally Posted by 8Mile

What I love about the way Roy plays Stolen Moments is his pickup note with the brushes. We've talked about playing in the cracks between straight and swung 8th notes, but Roy goes to the other side and plays it like a dotted 8th note. It's very compressed and gives it a feel that contrasts beautifully with the very swung phrases the rest of the band are playing.

I love that

it gives that tension and release ...... similar to the little 16th note flutters you hear guys like Elvin Jones, Jack DeJohnette , Roy Haynes and the like play while comping

[Anon La Ply]

I actually don't understand why he played the pickup a bit straight. I think I would have preferred it swung more conventionally, though for all I know he might have tried full swing at first and found it didn't work as well. I loved his dynamics and eloquence, though.

[8Mile]

Originally Posted by Anon La Ply

I actually don't understand why he played the pickup a bit straight. I think I would have preferred it swung more conventionally, though for all I know he might have tried full swing at first and found it didn't work as well. I loved his dynamics and eloquence, though.

I think it adds a lot. This was an eclectic bunch of musicians. Dolphy was pretty progressive, but when he's not soloing, I think a straighter swing might have been almost corny. Roy's feel kind of bridged Eric's "out" with the others' "in the tradition."

I agree with Gvd's assessment: Tension and release. So, so, so important to the feel of the music. It takes a master with an appreciation for nuance like Roy to really play with that and know when it fits the bill.

[Ytsephill]

Originally Posted by Gvdadrummasum

I feel you my man

that book is so packed with knowledge it feels like it never ends ....Ill work on a chapter.....then after a few months I go back to that chapter and re work it again and learn more than I did the first time

I agree.....I feel so amazing inside when I play the Jack and the Elvin transcriptions on that book.
it fills me with joy and excitement every single time

I feel like I will forever be working out of all 3 of Mr. Rileys books.....but especially Beyond Bop and Jazz Drummers Workshop

they have opened my eyes to so many things and I am forever thankful that they exist

I was actually thinking of getting 'Drummers Workshop'.
Can you tell me if it goes more in depth about 3/4 and 5/4 jazz drumming?

I wanted to get a book that covered those topics, and I don't know if I should get that one or Steve Fidyks 'Jazz drum set independence'.

[Anthony Amodeo]

Originally Posted by Ytsephill

I was actually thinking of getting 'Drummers Workshop'.
Can you tell me if it goes more in depth about 3/4 and 5/4 jazz drumming?

I wanted to get a book that covered those topics, and I don't know if I should get that one or Steve Fidyks 'Jazz drum set independence'.

yes there are 4 whole chapters on odd time jazz playing

lots of comp idea and solo ideas

focusing mainly on 5/4

the book is amazing ...I highly recommend it

if you like his other books you will love this one

here is an awesome video of our very own Drummerworld board member dmacc playing a transcribed Elvin solo from this very book

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M26mn...ature=youtu.be

[Anthony Amodeo]

been really enjoying this clip lately

Ari is just a very unique thinker ....don't miss his solo in this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcM2O...feature=g-vrec

[Anthony Amodeo]

lovin me some Justin Faulkner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xgMq...eature=g-all-u

[leoyucht]

Originally Posted by Gvdadrummasum

lovin me some Justin Faulkner

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?...eature=g-all-u

do you mean this per chance?? :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xgMq...re=context-gfa
was listening to this as i saw this post

[Anthony Amodeo]

Originally Posted by leoyucht

do you mean this per chance?? :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xgMq...re=context-gfa
was listening to this as i saw this post

that is absolutely what I meant

not sure why my link got messed up .....thanks

[Anthony Amodeo]

check out Max just killin' it here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvdU5...eature=related

[8Mile]

Originally Posted by Gvdadrummasum

check out Max just killin' it here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvdU5...eature=related

Yeah, I love this. I think this was the clip that got Polly to finally warm up to Max a little.

I don't think anyone played at those tempos better than Max. So relaxed, never a shortage of ideas.

[Anthony Amodeo]

Originally Posted by 8Mile

Yeah, I love this. I think this was the clip that got Polly to finally warm up to Max a little.

I don't think anyone played at those tempos better than Max. So relaxed, never a shortage of ideas.

it is mindblowing when you really check out the tempo is blazing at in such a relaxed state

riding, comping, and soloing at 400 bpm as if it was 150 bpm

Max was for sure among the best at that

[Anon La Ply]

Originally Posted by 8Mile

Yeah, I love this. I think this was the clip that got Polly to finally warm up to Max a little.

I don't think anyone played at those tempos better than Max. So relaxed, never a shortage of ideas.

I warmed more than a little, Larry. It's among my favourite jazz performances, along with Driva Man, Trane's Alabama and Joni Mitchell's Goobye Pork Pie Hat. Awesome deep music - hoo yeah.

Another one is the first 10 mins or so of Pharaoh's Creator ... I have a weakness for ripping sax.

[Numberless]

Originally Posted by Gvdadrummasum

that is absolutely what I meant

not sure why my link got messed up .....thanks

I am listening to him on the new Branford Marsalis record (Four MF's playing tunes) and man, this cat is absolutely ridiculous!

EDIT- I just got to the tune Whiplash...holy shit.

[Numberless]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmdeV8WPuPY

Brian Blade!

[Swiss Matthias]

How do you guys like Wynton Marsalis' Standard time album? I love their playing,
especially Jeff Tain Watts'. Just killing! Great polyrhythmic ideas.

[Numberless]

Originally Posted by Swiss Matthias

How do you guys like Wynton Marsalis' Standard time album? I love their playing,
especially Jeff Tain Watts'. Just killing! Great polyrhythmic ideas.

I really like it, the version of Autumn Leaves is one of my favorites.

[leoyucht]

Just found this gem. Roy is one of my all-time favorites.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FDTv...feature=g-vrec

[kafkapenguin]

Originally Posted by leoyucht

Just found this gem. Roy is one of my all-time favorites.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FDTv...feature=g-vrec

Roy is at the top of my list also. Thanks for this one, new to me. Upon listening I think I just need to put my sticks down... *sigh*

[dmacc]

Originally Posted by Swiss Matthias

How do you guys like Wynton Marsalis' Standard time album? I love their playing,
especially Jeff Tain Watts'. Just killing! Great polyrhythmic ideas.

I may take a lot of heat from some folks but I love Wynton's stuff.

I have all those Standard Time albums. You want to hear some burning Jeff Watts with Wynton, be sure to check out Live at Blues Alley.

Another killer collection of his is the Live at the Village Vanguard set with Herlin Riley.

[leoyucht]

Originally Posted by kafkapenguin

Roy is at the top of my list also. Thanks for this one, new to me. Upon listening I think I just need to put my sticks down... *sigh*

When you've been playing for as long as he has, you're bound to be incredible. Keep at it. :D

[haredrums]

Originally Posted by Gvdadrummasum

it is mindblowing when you really check out the tempo is blazing at in such a relaxed state

riding, comping, and soloing at 400 bpm as if it was 150 bpm

Max was for sure among the best at that

That's the truth! What a performance, thanks for sharing!

[kafkapenguin]

This one is just sooooooooooooo good! Three musicians blend into one...breathtaking...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R23DgwM7kQA

[Swiss Matthias]

Originally Posted by dmacc

I may take a lot of heat from some folks but I love Wynton's stuff.

I have all those Standard Time albums. You want to hear some burning Jeff Watts with Wynton, be sure to check out Live at Blues Alley.

Another killer collection of his is the Live at the Village Vanguard set with Herlin Riley.

thanks, I'll sure check those out!

[Anthony Amodeo]

Originally Posted by kafkapenguin

This one is just sooooooooooooo good! Three musicians blend into one...breathtaking...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R23DgwM7kQA

this is so great

thanks for sharing

[Elvis]

Hey guys,

Been a while.
Nice to see a "Jazz only" thread here.
Good idea.
I'm pretty much a Jazz guy these days, who's history mimics Gvdadrummasum's.
I go about it a little differently, though.
For starters I play Ludwig and Paiste, yet get some nice results.
I play left footed, so I'm FOREVER transposing lessons, but after this much time, I'm used to it.
Been watching some interesting vids on youtube lately.
I especially like this one utilizing the paradiddle-diddle.
Played a little differently than I remember, but it's been a while, so I'm obviously wrong.
In other news, found this cool website.
Also, bought a wonderful compilation album called "Arrival"...

Features Herb Ellis, Joe Pass, Ray Brown and Jake Hanna.
It's a compilation of two live albums this group did, which were - Seven Come Eleven and Jazz Concord.
Next purchases will be coated Weathermaster Heavy for the snare drum and VF AJ2 sticks. I wanna compare them to the 5a's I have now.

That's about it from me!



Elvis

[kafkapenguin]

I don't know this Quartet, but Man! what a line up! Definitely gonna' have to check this out. Thanks for the heads up.

russell

[Anthony Amodeo]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Hey guys,

Been a while.
Nice to see a "Jazz only" thread here.
Good idea.
I'm pretty much a Jazz guy these days, who's history mimics Gvdadrummasum's.
I go about it a little differently, though.
For starters I play Ludwig and Paiste, yet get some nice results.
I play left footed, so I'm FOREVER transposing lessons, but after this much time, I'm used to it.
Been watching some interesting vids on youtube lately.
I especially like this one utilizing the paradiddle-diddle.
Played a little differently than I remember, but it's been a while, so I'm obviously wrong.
In other news, found this cool website.
Also, bought a wonderful compilation album called "Arrival"...

Features Herb Ellis, Joe Pass, Ray Brown and Jake Hanna.
It's a compilation of two live albums this group did, which were - Seven Come Eleven and Jazz Concord.
Next purchases will be coated Weathermaster Heavy for the snare drum and VF AJ2 sticks. I wanna compare them to the 5a's I have now.

That's about it from me!



Elvis

I like using a paradiddle-diddle this way.......this guys video is not great quality....but a great use of the rudiment .....very affective
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeCth...eature=related

paradiddle-diddle comes up a lot in jazz for me......for instance as an uptempo comp....putting it between the ride cymbal and snare drum .....starting it on 2 as Elvin often would


and I must check out that recording..

Jake Hanna was such a beast

[8Mile]

Originally Posted by Gvdadrummasum

paradiddle-diddle comes up a lot in jazz for me......for instance as a uptempo comp....putting it between the ride cymbal and snare drum .....starting it on 2 as Elvin often would

I can't watch YouTube vids through my work network, but I am with you on the use of paradiddle-diddle in jazz. That's a trick I learned for dealing with really fast tempos, like Max would play back with Clifford. It's a cool-sounding way to give your hands a bit of a break without disrupting the flow. Another one is doubles between ride and snare, inverting it and changing where it starts, etc. #survivaltactics

[Anthony Amodeo]

Originally Posted by 8Mile

I can't watch YouTube vids through my work network, but I am with you on the use of paradiddle-diddle in jazz. That's a trick I learned for dealing with really fast tempos, like Max would play back with Clifford. It's a cool-sounding way to give your hands a bit of a break without disrupting the flow. Another one is doubles between ride and snare, inverting it and changing where it starts, etc. #survivaltactics

check out the video when you get home 8.....real nice use of the paradiddle-diddle

it's nothing completely ground breaking ...but still really nice

it's just putting the last left on your foot and putting the 6 note phrase in a 16th note subdivision so it gives an over the barline feel