...for the jazz cats ... - Page 13

Anon La Ply · #**481** 02-20-2013, 12:34 PM

Latest from JazzVideoGuy's feed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH8nlAQ2e6c

haredrums · #**482** 02-20-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 8Mile

Great music Andrew. Swinging us all into bad health!

Yes, a good bass player is everything. It is something that I've been especially aware of recently. Playing the same songs with different groups, I noticed that the feel of everything is tied very heavily to the bass player. I mean, where I would've probably blamed myself for shortcomings in the sound of the band, I am learning that it's got more to do with the bass player that I had ever realized.

I think most of us tend to look inward when something is not happening with the feel of the music. It's just what, as drummers, we do. Blaming anyone else feels wrong. It's sort of like blaming your pants for shrinking when the problem is that you're gaining weight. :) But the reality is that, yes, the bass player can really make a huge difference that we can't overcome one way or the other.

Yeah, you are absolutely right about trying to take too much responsibility for the feel of the music. Just like working with a great bass player is easy, working with a bad one is incredibly difficult.

Over time I have tried to come up with some ways of dealing with bad bass players to sort of mitigate the damage. But the biggest thing as you point out is not to take full responsibility for a bass players short-comings. After that, I just try to make the music feel as good as I possibly can, but I would be curious to hear what you guys think about this issue.

So the question is, how do you deal with a bad bass player on a gig?

eddypierce · #**483** 02-20-2013, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ggmerino

Anyone ever heard of Michael Vachter, in particular his work with Jewels and Binoculars? Hit upon some of his work purely by accident (researching arrangements for a song called Jack-a-Roe of which they do a cool version). Plays some pretty mean funky stuff. Unfortunately not easy to find online:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZn4p...endscreen&NR=1

I've heard of Michael Vachter! if it's the guy I'm thinking of, he's from my hometown of Eureka, CA. But by the time I was aware of him (circa 1988) he had long since moved away. I used to play with a few jazz musicians in the area who spoke VERY highly of his playing. When I was in high school, there was an LP lying around that the Eureka High School jazz band had recorded around 1970, and Vachter was the drummer on it (and he was smoking even back then). Up until now, that's the only recording I'd heard with him on it. Thanks for the link!

ggmerino · #**484** 02-20-2013, 09:07 PM

Happy to hear someone heard of him. I found a few videos of him and I like his playing- very experimental and a nice groove on a china/pang cymbal.

ggmerino · #**485** 02-21-2013, 04:25 PM

A smoking video of Stanley Clarke, Patrice Rushen and Ndugu Chancler doing some Rollins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMLkgtJ3N0w.

Hope it hasn't been posted before- trying to focus on active cats.

brady · #**486** 02-21-2013, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ggmerino

A smoking video of Stanley Clarke, Patrice Rushen and Ndugu Chancler doing some Rollins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMLkgtJ3N0w.

Hope it hasn't been posted before- trying to focus on active cats.

The active cats...a good idea. Does anyone here know Mark Teixeira?

A tasty little solo around the 2:26 mark...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PGU51Uqoa0

kafkapenguin · #**487** 02-22-2013, 10:20 AM

As a former Trentonian, I am very partial to Trentons own Richie Cole and got to see him in small clubs like Lanzis Lounge and Joes Mill Hill...I feel blessed. ;) I just found this on Youtube and it's amazing, Richie with a quartet backing the greatest Jazz singer/scatter of all time Eddie Jefferson... it's din-o-mite! check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JllmsDFJ7YE

Elvis · #**488** 02-23-2013, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ggmerino

A smoking video of Stanley Clarke, Patrice Rushen and Ndugu Chancler doing some Rollins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMLkgtJ3N0w.

Hope it hasn't been posted before- trying to focus on active cats.

Those are STILL some happenin' cats.
Great performance. Thanks for posting it.
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Kafka,

Somewhere I have an episode of the old PBS Jazz Masters series that features Richie Cole backing up Nancy Wilson.
Really great stuff. Richie's always been an A-lister.
That's a cool piece of footage you posted.

Elvis

Numberless · #**489** 02-23-2013, 03:28 PM

A lick a day to take your troubles away!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9dJT50Q1fg

Numberless · #**490** 02-23-2013, 03:29 PM

What sticks are you guys using these days? I'm interested in trying out new stuff.

brady · #**491** 02-23-2013, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Numberless

What sticks are you guys using these days? I'm interested in trying out new stuff.

I use quite a few different ones.

My primary stick is a Vic Firth 5A and my lighter stick is a VF AJ6. I also use the VF AJ2.

And every once in a while I will break out the 5A nylon tip.

I also use VF Heritage brushes as well as Regal Tip Jeff Hamilton brushes.

BTW, thanks for the youtube link.

Anthony Amodeo · #**492** 02-23-2013, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Numberless

What sticks are you guys using these days? I'm interested in trying out new stuff.

I have been in love with the Erskine Ride sticks since they came out..... definitely an awesome stick and gives fantastic definition on the ride cymbal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM6xhnCitqw

brady · #**493** 02-24-2013, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Amodeo

I have been in love with the Erskine Ride sticks since they came out..... definitely an awesome stick and gives fantastic definition on the ride cymbal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM6xhnCitqw

Aah!! Totally forgot that stick. Love that stick! I used to used to use it all the time. I'm not really sure why I switched. Probably just because another stick felt better that day.

That PE Ride Stick gives the most beautiful sound on the ride.

Thanks. I may have to go pick up a couple more pair now...

ggmerino · #**494** 02-25-2013, 03:16 AM

Vater 52nd street jazz hickory. It has a long narrow tip. Makes a lot of contact with the cymbal when played parralell to the cymbal for a nice braod clangy ride sound I love. When played at a slight angle it makes very little contact with the cymbal for a defined dry sound (like the Sweet Ride stick). Two distinct sounds from one stick.

Anthony Amodeo · #**495** 02-25-2013, 03:23 AM

one of my absolute favorite records

this whole album is amazing ....and Jack DeJohnette kills it on the kit

I'm a sucker for some Jackie McLean....pretty much love everything he has ever done

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qi9JzUWmz8

Numberless · #**496** 02-26-2013, 01:57 AM

Thanks for the rec. guys, I've heard great things about the Erskine sticks, I think I'll check them out.

8Mile · #**497** 02-26-2013, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Amodeo

one of my absolute favorite records

this whole album is amazing ....and Jack DeJohnette kills it on the kit

I'm a sucker for some Jackie McLean....pretty much love everything he has ever done

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qi9JzUWmz8

Man, that sounds nice. I had forgotten about this one, hadn't listened to it in ages.

Two guys named Larry on the record, hard to go wrong :)

DrumzSlinger · #**498** 02-26-2013, 06:25 PM

Sticks:

Silverfox Bop Master - mix between a 5a and 7a great for riding!
Silverfox 5A
Silverfox 7A

Brushes/rods:
Silverfox Swiskas
Silverfox Foxtail
Silverfox Clawstix
Silverfox Nitestalks
Silverfox B.O.D.S

I'm a proud Silverfox Endorser.

I've played the Peter Erskine Model, The VF AJ series, If there is a jazz stick out there I've played it but I always come back to Silverfox. The one brush I really enjoyed was the Vic Firth Live Wires, it really brought out the sound.

cp84 · #**499** 02-26-2013, 06:50 PM

vic firth sd2 bolero - best sticks ever.

Anthony Amodeo · #**500** 02-26-2013, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DrumzSlinger

Sticks:

Silverfox Bop Master - mix between a 5a and 7a great for riding!
Silverfox 5A
Silverfox 7A

Brushes/rods:
Silverfox Swiskas
Silverfox Foxtail
Silverfox Clawstix
Silverfox Nitestalks
Silverfox B.O.D.S

I'm a proud Silverfox Endorser.

I've played the Peter Erskine Model, The VF AJ series, If there is a jazz stick out there I've played it but I always come back to Silverfox. The one brush I really enjoyed was the Vic Firth Live Wires, it really brought out the sound.

Silverfox ..... . definitely an underrated stick

groove1 · #**501** 02-26-2013, 09:22 PM

90% of my gigs are quiet and small group so I use VF AJ6 all the time for them...love that
stick! I've tried a lot of brushes but ended up using the Ed Thigpen model and added a rubber
ball to the end of the stick (like some old Ludwigs had). These brushes are so versatile I can't imagine changing. I also use a nylon brush occasionally but usually only in the right
hand with a Thigpen brush in the left.

leoyucht · #**502** 02-27-2013, 04:10 AM

VF SD10. They are amazing. Switched to those after using Dejohnettes for a while and I am really happy w/ them.

brady · #**503** 02-27-2013, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Numberless

Thanks for the rec. guys, I've heard great things about the Erskine sticks, I think I'll check them out.

If you can find them, pick up a piar of the Erskine Big Band stick. Dang!! Amazing feel.

I picked up a couple Ride Sticks the other day (thanks a lot, Anthony... :-) ...) and thought I would try the newer Big Band stick to see how it felt. For my hands, SO much better than the Ride Stick. The rebound feels so effortless and I feel like I don't have to work quite as hard as I do with the Ride Stick, or any of my other sticks for that matter.

Dr_Watso · #**504** 02-27-2013, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by brady

If you can find them, pick up a piar of the Erskine Big Band stick. Dang!! Amazing feel.

I picked up a couple Ride Sticks the other day (thanks a lot, Anthony... :-) ...) and thought I would try the newer Big Band stick to see how it felt. For my hands, SO much better than the Ride Stick. The rebound feels so effortless and I feel like I don't have to work quite as hard as I do with the Ride Stick, or any of my other sticks for that matter.

Glad someone else said it. I spent all night last night with the ride stick, and I came away with the same feeling that I was somehow doing more work than usual, even though it sounded way better than my usual standard promark.

Never heard of the "big band" stick. I'll look it up, see what it's about.

brady · #**505** 02-28-2013, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr_Watso

Glad someone else said it. I spent all night last night with the ride stick, and I came away with the same feeling that I was somehow doing more work than usual, even though it sounded way better than my usual standard promark.

Never heard of the "big band" stick. I'll look it up, see what it's about.

Yeah, please do. I'm curious to see if others come to the same conclusion that I did.

One thing I don't understand is that even though the Big Band stick is slightly larger than the Ride Stick, it feels so much lighter. I think that goes a long way towards making it easier to play with.

Anthony Amodeo · #**506** 02-28-2013, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by brady

Yeah, please do. I'm curious to see if others come to the same conclusion that I did.

One thing I don't understand is that even though the Big Band stick is slightly larger than the Ride Stick, it feels so much lighter. I think that goes a long way towards making it easier to play with.

just ordered 5 pair of Big Bands.....can't wait to check them out

.....been spinning this record lately ....one of the best jazz records of the 2000s in my opinion .

I love me some Karriem Riggins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dRV96f6aK8

?uesto · #**507** 03-01-2013, 08:46 PM

This isn't Roy Haynes in that new commercial for Lincoln, is it? (0:12)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3vw9w9vevI

8Mile · #**508** 03-01-2013, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Amodeo

.....been spinning this record lately ....one of the best jazz records of the 2000s in my opinion .

I love me some Karriem Riggins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dRV96f6aK8

What is about jazz drummers from Detroit??

:)

Anthony Amodeo · #**509** 03-01-2013, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 8Mile

What is about jazz drummers from Detroit??

:)

I think I was from Motown in a past life

:)

BacteriumFendYoke · #**510** 03-02-2013, 03:15 AM

I just put 'Nefertiti' on and I feel alive again. This piece really sums up my mental state most of the time. Angular, twisting, unpredictable but low key. Sometimes you just find music that speaks to you.

My, oh my...

Anthony Amodeo · #**511** 03-02-2013, 04:44 AM

fantastic video of Matt Wilson speaking ...check it out...great stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjWByzra6_c

haredrums · #**512** 03-02-2013, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony Amodeo

just ordered 5 pair of Big Bands.....can't wait to check them out

.....been spinning this record lately ....one of the best jazz records of the 2000s in my opinion .

I love me some Karriem Riggins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dRV96f6aK8

Great album! Also check out Ray Brown Trio Live at Scullers with Hutch on drums, another one of my favorites.

http://www.amazon.com/Live-at-Sculle.../dp/B000003D5N

Anthony Amodeo · #**513** 03-04-2013, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by brady

Yeah, please do. I'm curious to see if others come to the same conclusion that I did.

One thing I don't understand is that even though the Big Band stick is slightly larger than the Ride Stick, it feels so much lighter. I think that goes a long way towards making it easier to play with.

used the Big Band sticks for the first time at a rehearsal on friday and first gig last night.....and I have to say ....I love them !!!!

it wasn't love at first sight

they were on my doorstep when I got home late from lessons on thurs. night and my first impressions were....the bead is too big.... they were a bit on the light side and didn't give me quite the action that the little extra weight of the Ride stick gave me

after using them on the kit at a rehearsal then at a jazz gig that consisted of mostly up tunes I fell in love .

they really really stay on top and seem to respond really well to my slightest most delicate finger moves ...which surprised me because I didn't expect that bead to respond so delicately

thank you for the recommendation

brady · #**514** 03-04-2013, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Amodeo

used the Big Band sticks for the first time at a rehearsal on friday and first gig last night.....and I have to say ....I love them !!!!

it wasn't love at first sight

they were on my doorstep when I got home late from lessons on thurs. night and my first impressions were....the bead is too big.... they were a bit on the light side and didn't give me quite the action that the little extra weight of the Ride stick gave me

after using them on the kit at a rehearsal then at a jazz gig that consisted of mostly up tunes I fell in love .

they really really stay on top and seem to respond really well to my slightest most delicate finger moves ...which surprised me because I didn't expect that bead to respond so delicately

thank you for the recommendation

Anytime. You're welcome.

It looks like you discovered the same thing about the stick that I did... It doesn't seem that a stick that size would behave the way that it does.

It's actually a little bigger than the Ride Stick but it feels lighter than even the 5As I had been using. Plus that tip design...it's so easy to play light or as hard as you need. It has a nice fat cross stick sound too.

Glad you like it.

Numberless · #**515** 03-04-2013, 04:14 AM

Here's a cool clinic by Justin Faulkner I was watching yesterday. Although he starts with some general concepts, it eventually shifts focus to jazz playing, very interesting, I love his anecdotes about Branford.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCgh8VyHh9E

JerryOnDrums · #**516** 03-05-2013, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Numberless

Here's a cool clinic by Justin Faulkner I was watching yesterday. Although he starts with some general concepts, it eventually shifts focus to jazz playing, very interesting, I love his anecdotes about Branford.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCgh8VyHh9E

Excellent content there. And Justin is especially killing on Kurt Rosenwinkel's newest album.

8Mile · #**517** 03-18-2013, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Amodeo

I have been in love with the Erskine Ride sticks since they came out..... definitely an awesome stick and gives fantastic definition on the ride cymbal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM6xhnCitqw

I picked up a pair yesterday on your rec, Ants.

Love this stick! It has transformed the sound of my cymbals. I can't believe the difference. They feel great, too. Only issue I have had is I'm dropping them quite a bit, but I'll get used to that soon enough. Thanks for the rec.

Anthony Amodeo · #**518** 03-18-2013, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8Mile

I picked up a pair yesterday on your rec, Ants.

Love this stick! It has transformed the sound of my cymbals. I can't believe the difference. They feel great, too. Only issue I have had is I'm dropping them quite a bit, but I'll get used to that soon enough. Thanks for the rec.

I love the way they make the cymbal sound.....just stunning....and that bead really stays on top

I recently have been messing with his Big Band sticks..... equally as awesome

philosafari · #**519** 03-18-2013, 10:07 PM

I bought the ride stick and the big band. Can't decide which I like better. Thanks for the recommendation.

chick82 · #**520** 03-19-2013, 03:53 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTN9N--VLqQ

Alan Dawson's transcription.
Hope you like it!