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Old 06-07-2012, 05:42 AM
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So, we've all been hearing about the problems that the CAs have been having with their coating; namely, with it flaking off very quickly. Many of us dismissed it, whilst others were adamant.

Well, it happened to me. I'd never used Remos until I came back from a holiday from the States with an Acrolite, which practically demanded a CA, and since then I've loved the sound. I didn't think the flaking problem would happen down here in Melbourne, but sure enough, two weeks ago I went out and bought a new 12" CA for my Musashi (which sounds amazing, by the way) and slapped it on, tuned it up and went nuts.

I first noticed it flaking IMMEDIATELY when I started cross-sticking. Now, I play trad grip, and I prefer a beefy cross-stick, so I tend to place the tip on the head and cross-stick with the body of the stick. Where the tip contacted the head, the coating came off immediately. This was with a standard Vater 5A Los Angeles model with an oval tip.

After 6 hours of playing, here's what it looks like.




Note the marks where I've cross-sticked.

As you can see for yourself, the head looks like it's only 6 hours old. However, somewhat disappointingly, it has flaked a ridiculous amount. I've also taken a photo of the receipt to show it was only bought a couple weeks ago:



Importantly, however, it still sounds like a Coated Ambassador, with 'that' sound. I am, however, a little worried that this sound will disappear soon and I'll have to get a new head. You might ask, why make this thread if I'm still happy with the sound? Just to show everyone that it does happen. Hopefully the Remo guys will fix this soon...

Now you know. And knowing is half the battle!


EDIT: To contrast, here's a photo of the now five month old CA on my Acrolite. Don't mind the spot of blood on it.

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Old 06-07-2012, 06:00 AM
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The same flaking issue happened on my Evans G1 Coated drum-head but after 6 months under playing. I rather use The Smooth White Ambassador drum-head which gives that bright tone, long sustain sound quality same as The Coated Ambassador but it does not flake off.
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Old 06-07-2012, 07:30 AM
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never had an Evans flake. But will gladly admit I dig the Ambassador X over any coated single ply I've tried.
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Old 06-07-2012, 10:22 AM
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I've posted this elsewhere but the same thing happened with my CAs and CAXs. Even the replacements Remo sent me exhibited the same flaking. I will tell you they had great customer service and the replacement heads were on my kit within a week. I'm sure if I contacted them again about this issue they would probably send me another set of replacements. They sound fine with sticks after they flake, but lay a brush on them and you will experience my frustration. I use Jeff Hamilton brushes live and they don't have much give in the bristles. I had never had an issue with CA. I've been using them on at least 2 of my kits for the past 12 years. Other kits have Evans and I have never had an issue with those. But about 3 months ago 2 CA flaked on me. Mostly playing brushes and cross stick on an acoustic jazz gig. Both were on snares as I used 3 snares instead of toms that evening. The other snare had an Evans HD Dry. I contacted Remo and they sent me a CA and a CAX. I slapped the CA on my snare and the CAX on my floor. I liked the sound of the CAX on the floor after I tuned it up so I picked one up for my rack tom. After the gig that night, a medium volume rock/dance gig, all of the heads flaked. I have gone back to Evans and occasionally Aquarian when I can find them. Sorry Remo.
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Old 06-07-2012, 02:34 PM
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Those are some unusual elongated stick marks, as if the sticks were dragged across the head with every stroke. I've had premature coating wear on my Ambassador heads, but only after several days to a week of use. I'm now only using Remo coated heads on one of my kits. Evans, although I just received a couple of "dead" Genera G2 batter heads, are installed on most of my kits.

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Old 06-08-2012, 06:10 AM
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I've seen this on other drums, but it's not happened to me on a CA ever.

A small amount of flaking happened on one Coated Emperor Top Dot I have (a head model I've used going on 10 years), but I attributed that to the coating going on a clear plastic/vinyl dot.

I've even gotten a new set for one kit, and couple extra heads for other kits, and none had any problems. I heard people had more problems because of a change in the coating, so I kinda wondered if I would too. So far, everything is cool with them.

Hope you guy's have better luck in the future, or are happy with what you change the head model to.
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Old 06-08-2012, 07:03 AM
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I still keep the faith on - The Smooth White Ambassador and The Evans G1 Coated.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:42 PM
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The same flaking issue happened on my Evans G1 Coated drum-head but after 6 months under playing. I rather use The Smooth White Ambassador drum-head which gives that bright tone, long sustain sound quality same as The Coated Ambassador but it does not flake off.
The problem for most guys is that they can't play brushes on a smooth head - which is exactly why I play coated.
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Old 06-08-2012, 06:27 PM
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Yea this happened to me with CA (USA) that came with my Ahead BoB snare. This is after 1-2 hours of normal use (the CAs and G1s on my other snares have lasted months/years, the coated G2s on those toms are over 6mon old). In these extreme cases it is definitely the coating... I could tell something was wrong when I was tuning the drum up, it started flaking then, and those were redikuloosly-soft-tuning taps. The coating on this head seemed thicker, coarser, and sparser than the usual coating.
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Old 06-08-2012, 06:27 PM
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Last week, I put a Powerstroke X on one of my snares. It looked exactly like the O.P.'s head within an hour. I have a new Emperor X and a coated Emperor that started chipping within a couple of of days.I am on my third set of Vintage Emperors for my toms and haven't had an issue at all.
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Last week, I put a Powerstroke X on one of my snares. It looked exactly like the O.P.'s head within an hour. I have a new Emperor X and a coated Emperor that started chipping within a couple of of days.I am on my third set of Vintage Emperors for my toms and haven't had an issue at all.
I had exact same issues on the new Remo heads I bought last month. Glad to see that this isn't "normal" wear. But, I'm not about to spend $100+ on new heads.
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Old 06-09-2012, 05:14 AM
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I may be completely nuts, but remo used to make their coated emperors with an opaque-ish white film. 7.0 mil not 7.5 mil and they sounded wonderful and the coating lasted pretty well. Then, they switched to making coated emps with a clear film and the coating came off alot faster, plus the head didn't sound quite as good (to me). I loved coated emperors and coated CS dots, but every time I used them (within the last few years) the coating came off after one 3 hour gig. They look like crap with the clear film because it shows up alot more. I tried an Evans G2 instead and the coating never came off. The sound was pretty much the same, so I use them on my snare batter. I use coated vintage emps on my toms sometimes and the coating seems to last longer and they have the white-ish film. I wonder if it has anything to do with the film? Although, a coated ambassador is kind of that same film and the coating is coming off of them too, so I don't know. But yeah, the coating is an issue with Remo heads for sure.
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:05 PM
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I've played remos, then evans and finally rmv, that are cheaper and their coating last much longer. I highly recomend them. or you can go for textured heads lie remo suede.
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Old 06-20-2012, 02:39 AM
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I may be completely nuts, but remo used to make their coated emperors with an opaque-ish white film. 7.0 mil not 7.5 mil
You can get the white filmed coated head. It's the JP model.
Same model number with "-JP" at the end.
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Old 06-20-2012, 11:10 PM
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never had an Evans flake. But will gladly admit I dig the Ambassador X over any coated single ply I've tried.
Ever tried the original 12mil single-ply: G Plus?
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The Vintage A on my snare has not chipped or flaked yet, and I play pretty hard rolls. I've had it on since last summer, so about a year. I practice an hour a week (wish I could do more but I have truck drivin' neighbors downstairs....ahhhhhh yeah) and play out with it maybe the same amount per week.

So give or take 100 hours of playing. Still going strong and sounds great. I think the only difference over a new one would be more crispness.

I find this CA issue to be very intriguing...
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Old 06-21-2012, 04:16 AM
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Ever tried the original 12mil single-ply: G Plus?
I know this wasn't directed at me but I'll answer. I tried the Gplus coated a few months ago. Didn't like them at all. Especially the 10". Was very difficult to tune and sounded very thin. The 12 and 16 were a little better but still rather thin sounding at various tensions. I've been playing over 20 years and the drums were Yamaha Maple Custom Absolutes so this isn't a rookie thing. I like the G2 clear over G1 combo as well as the Remo equivalent but for some reason the Gplus and I just didn't get along. However, kudos to the Evans HD for the snare, not the HD dry but just the regular HD. Perfect amount of control and fatness for the music I play. Shoulda just got $40 worth of HD heads I guess eh? Trial and Error :)
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Old 06-23-2012, 08:50 PM
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You can get the white filmed coated head. It's the JP model.
Same model number with "-JP" at the end.
Hey Karl, I think we went through this before. The model you're referring to is 7.5 mil film. The emps from the past I was referring to with the white film were 7.0 mil film. As far as I know, you can't get a coated emperor with the whiteish film with 2 plies of 7.0 mil film. The coated vintage emp (white film) and coated smooth whites are both 7.5 mil. The standard coated emp is 7.0, but it is a clear film, not the white film I liked before.
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ALL of the Remo heads I've bought lately are flaking way too easily. I've gone through THREE snare batters in the last month, because the flaking is bad enough to change the sound of the head. I'm frustrated enough to ditch Remo altogether. Never had this happen with any other brand...even Ludwig's coating doesn't flake...and they make relatively low-quality heads.

Two coated Ambassadors and one coated AmbX in one month. Inexcusable! I don't like Evans at all, but I'll probably give Aquarian a serious look now.
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Old 06-24-2012, 06:36 AM
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Hey Karl, I think we went through this before. The model you're referring to is 7.5 mil film. The emps from the past I was referring to with the white film were 7.0 mil film. As far as I know, you can't get a coated emperor with the whiteish film with 2 plies of 7.0 mil film. The coated vintage emp (white film) and coated smooth whites are both 7.5 mil. The standard coated emp is 7.0, but it is a clear film, not the white film I liked before.
Ah... well that sucks then.
I used to play those Coated Emps until I got tired of tapping on dead 16" heads....
Went to CA's instead (it was 20 years ago!? Holy crap!!) and love them.

The White filmed Emps did sound better. Crisper, like an Ambasador, but just a little lower pitch.

Zam, check out Attacks Bozzio heads, and the Jeff Ocheltree head. Traditional Mylar, with a sturdy coating.
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Old 06-28-2012, 05:24 PM
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Guess which of these is 1.5 years old and which is 1.5 days old :(
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ALL of the Remo heads I've bought lately are flaking way too easily. I've gone through THREE snare batters in the last month, because the flaking is bad enough to change the sound of the head. I'm frustrated enough to ditch Remo altogether. Never had this happen with any other brand...even Ludwig's coating doesn't flake...and they make relatively low-quality heads.

Two coated Ambassadors and one coated AmbX in one month. Inexcusable! I don't like Evans at all, but I'll probably give Aquarian a serious look now.
I'm done with Remo heads!!!!!
I have spent wayyyyy too much money now on this product due to the durability of the coating problems.
Both my kits are fitted with Aquarian all the way around and I couldn't be happier. The coating looks and sounds exactly the same as when I bought them at least 6 months ago.
Sorry to Remo lovers but Aquarian are a much better product and where I live they are considerably cheaper as well.
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I've also switched to Aquarian and absolutely love them. Great tone, coating that lasts forever and especially with some recent additions a lot of interesting models and ply options.
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Simple - just get yourself a can of...



Worked great back in the day, I suspect that EPA regulations killed it in the mid-'70s. If this was around today, would anyone use it?

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Wow, I have never seen or even heard of that before. Thanks for sharing!

If it still existed today I'm sure many would blame fast-wearing coating as a ploy to sell more Ruff Kote...
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Old 06-28-2012, 09:57 PM
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Sorry to hear about the problems the OP is having. I too have had some issues with flaking and chipping on my coated Emperors. I got frustrated and tried Evans and Aquarian. The Evans heads were WAY too thin sounding. I'm definitely not a fan of those heads at all. The Aquarians were certainly closer to the sound I was looking for, but they just did not have the "full" sound I was wanting. (I tried the Super 2s and the Response 2s. The Super 2s were MUCH better, in my opinion. The Response 2s were like a dead version of a Pinstripe. Ugh..)

Finally, I switched back over to Remos, and you know what? Nothing sounds like a Remo. Those heads have the sound I want to hear. Their quality control with the coating still blows, but I deal with because I like the sound. If I were using brushes exclusively, I'd probably switch to Fiberskyns or something.
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Wow, I have never seen or even heard of that before. Thanks for sharing!

If it still existed today I'm sure many would blame fast-wearing coating as a ploy to sell more Ruff Kote...
I suppose there will always be that camp, and they're undoubtedly already charging that companies deliberately use a coating that wears quickly just so they can sell more heads! Not true. Companies applying such overt obsolecence would die a quick and deserved death.

I have a few thoughts on the subject in general though.

First, is the flaking a legitimate problem in terms of the way most of us use our snares or toms or kicks? Does it genuinely affect the sound in a way that can be heard, other than when using brushes?

Speaking of which, how many here use brushes? Will you attest to the fact that the coating can just as easily wear smooth without flaking, and result in a less than desirable sound? That's why Ruff Kote was made available in the first place, as a refresher in an era when there was more brushwork in popular music.

But back to the flaking... is it really a legit reason to replace/return the head? Sure, stores will do it as a customer courtesy, but is there really a reason to replace them? Or is it simply the idea that if something's not 100% right, it is therefore 100% wrong, and subject to remedy?

FWIW, I hit hard, rarely use brushes, and don't have a flaking problem. If I did, and used brushes a lot, it would certainly be more of an issue for me. But I'll ask the OP... it appears you're not using brushes, and you don't say that you do. Can you really tell the difference sound or playing-wise because of that amount of flaking, or is it the just the idea that a new head did that, that's got you upset?

Don't get me wrong, I'm the first person to fight for what's right, whether it was my money spent or not. But I also know that choosing your battles more carefully results in less stress, and more wins. :)

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But back to the flaking... is it really a legit reason to replace/return the head? Sure, stores will do it as a customer courtesy, but is there really a reason to replace them? Or is it simply the idea that if something's not 100% right, it is therefore 100% wrong, and subject to remedy?Bermuda
I think there is a very legitimate cause for dissatisfaction and replacing a head with the flaking problem. There may not be much of a sound difference when this happens for most drummers on this forum, but the heads look like crap, cheap and beat up instantly, when they shouldn't at all, especially when the coating is over a clear film. Returning them for a refund?......that may be a little much unless the coating really affected the sound. Replacing them with another head right away? I guess that depends on the drummer, but I definitely would and have before because I'm anal about how my drums look as well as how they sound. Plus this didn't happen before with the coating, or not as often, so I think it's a legitimate issue for sure. I never buy coated emperors anymore because the coating wears off after one gig and the heads look like crap. I do like the sound of Remo heads, so I go with coated vintage emperors, which have the coating over a whiteish film. The coating seems to last longer for some reason (must be able to grip the white film better) and they don't look as bad when the coating does wear off. I also use Evans coated G2's now all the time on my snare and probably will on my tom batters when they need changed again ( I alternate between clear and coated tom batters). For me, all of the different head choices I've gone through over the past few years are directly related to the coating issue.
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Another issue is that when the coating comes off, it can adhere to the tip of the sticks (wood tips at least) and if you play clear tom heads, guess where some of the coating ends up? The clear heads get messy looking faster because little bits of the coating are "beaten" into the clear film. It may not be that big of a deal to some, but to me it is.
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Guess which of these is 1.5 years old and which is 1.5 days old :(
To me, that's unacceptable. That has happened to me many times. I think to myself....maybe that issue has been resolved by now. I buy a coated emp or CS dot, whatever, and the coating still wears almost instantly. Should someone ask for a refund on the head? Man, that's a tough one. Is it a defective product? I don't know, but it's definitley not right. I hope someone from Remo is getting this info and addressing the problem.
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I think there is a very legitimate cause for dissatisfaction and replacing a head with the flaking problem. There may not be much of a sound difference when this happens for most drummers on this forum, but the heads look like crap, cheap and beat up instantly,
Hmm, I actually hadn't given any thought to the appearance aspect of the flaking, and I'll agree, it does look bad for those who want to see a clean, unmarred playing surface for as long as possible.

I'm not a nut about a clean look from where I sit, and you'd be correct in guessing that I don't clean my cymbals. :) I just accept that over time, all heads get dirty, and the coated ones may also flake. Whether it happens sooner or later doesn't bother me. Heads only get my attention when they need to be changed for sonic reasons.

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Hmm, I actually hadn't given any thought to the appearance aspect of the flaking, and I'll agree, it does look bad for those who want to see a clean, unmarred playing surface for as long as possible.

I'm not a nut about a clean look from where I sit, and you'd be correct in guessing that I don't clean my cymbals. :) I just accept that over time, all heads get dirty, and the coated ones may also flake. Whether it happens sooner or later doesn't bother me. Heads only get my attention when they need to be changed for sonic reasons.

This is why I hang around the forums - I learn a lot about other drummers' perspectives on things. Thanks!

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Haha...no thanks needed, I just thought it was a legitimate beef. Maybe I'm alone in thinking this way, but it really does bug me when the coating wears off instantly, and it does create other issues on the tom heads as mentioned above. Thanks for your reply Bermuda!
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I suppose there will always be that camp, and they're undoubtedly already charging that companies deliberately use a coating that wears quickly just so they can sell more heads! Not true. Companies applying such overt obsolecence would die a quick and deserved death.

I have a few thoughts on the subject in general though.

First, is the flaking a legitimate problem in terms of the way most of us use our snares or toms or kicks? Does it genuinely affect the sound in a way that can be heard, other than when using brushes?

Speaking of which, how many here use brushes? Will you attest to the fact that the coating can just as easily wear smooth without flaking, and result in a less than desirable sound? That's why Ruff Kote was made available in the first place, as a refresher in an era when there was more brushwork in popular music.

But back to the flaking... is it really a legit reason to replace/return the head? Sure, stores will do it as a customer courtesy, but is there really a reason to replace them? Or is it simply the idea that if something's not 100% right, it is therefore 100% wrong, and subject to remedy?

FWIW, I hit hard, rarely use brushes, and don't have a flaking problem. If I did, and used brushes a lot, it would certainly be more of an issue for me. But I'll ask the OP... it appears you're not using brushes, and you don't say that you do. Can you really tell the difference sound or playing-wise because of that amount of flaking, or is it the just the idea that a new head did that, that's got you upset?

Don't get me wrong, I'm the first person to fight for what's right, whether it was my money spent or not. But I also know that choosing your battles more carefully results in less stress, and more wins. :)

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You bring up good points, Bermuda! All I wanted to do, really, was to show people that there was a problem with the flaking happening, as I've seen a few hear strenuously denying that it has ever happened, ever, at all. As I said in the original post, they still sound like CAs, so it's fine by me. It's a little weird though, given that this is only the fourth Remo head I've bought - I was thinking of fully switching over, but now I'm not so sure.

I guess I'm just a little curious that the Remo guys find this level of flaking acceptable given that their direct competitors don't have this problem. When I see flaking happening this quickly, I immediately worry about the quality of the rest of the head - will it dent more easily? Will the hoops go out of round? - simply because it feels like there hasn't been adequate QC. And given the cost of heads down here in Australia, I don't want to think that I'm paying for a possibly defective product.

And yes, I do play brushes, but not well enough that the flaking is a major problem for me.

All I'm saying is that there is a problem, and some find it more worrying than others, but it's certainly a problem that needs to be brought to the company's attention and addressed - and hopefully that's what will happen. Given the number of people here switching to Aquarian, and loudly testifying as to how good those heads are... I'd begin to be worried if I was working at Remo. I know that I certainly would at least give the Aquarians a go if they were more readily available in good supply down here.
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Use Aquarian texture coated heads. You'll never have the problem.
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I can totally agree with the fact that it's crappy for drummers to buy this head and then have it flake off right away.

Sound quality? May not be affected. Or it may be.

Looks ? A lot of drummers prefer a clean set (myself included) and when you buy a $xxxx.xx drum set, the last thing you want is for it to look like crap. So a $300 drum set, whatever...you see bad heads on them all the time, it doesn't matter so much. But what about a Birch Absolute? Or a Pearl Masters? If you pay good money for your kit you don't want heads that look like crap on them.

Life expectancy? This is what bothers me. If I buy a head that chips its coating within 3 days of light playing, what will it be like in 30 days? Maybe then I will HAVE to replace it. The only head I have ever seen ripped totally through was a Remo Ambassador, and that was 5 years ago - the drummer was not a bad drummer, but punched a hole right through the head.

That being said I am still a VINTAGE A guy, at least for my snare drum. It's warmer and darker than the modern Ambassador and (obviously) lasts longer. I won't usually touch Remos otherwise (except for Vintage E's). I've tried the CS Dot and thought it was a horrible head tuned high or low. Not a fan of modern Emperors. And don't get me started on Pinstripes.


I agree with those who are upset about this Remo problem. It is a big issue and if Remo doesn't fix it, they will eventually be known for their lack of quality control and poor quality heads. You know if Attack or Aquarian had this they would never live it down (although Aquarian would have fixed it by now already and reimbursed all of their customers).
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+1, I have gone back and forth a few times but I use nothing but Aquarian now.
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I agree with those who are upset about this Remo problem. It is a big issue and if Remo doesn't fix it, they will eventually be known for their lack of quality control and poor quality heads.
They have been known for spotty QC on heads for years. The inconsistency of their 2-ply heads is notorious.

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+1, I have gone back and forth a few times but I use nothing but Aquarian now.
Hey Tard, what's your go to Aquarian snare batter head?
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Hey Tard, what's your go to Aquarian snare batter head?
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Im a single ply guy, I find all 2 plays to dry or controlled and kill too much tone, resonance and attack for my taste so its coated studio x on all my snares, which is just a texture coated classic clear with a little strip of power dot material around the underside of the outside edge to remove some of the high frequency overtones with very little affect on the tone or attack like the full power dot versions can.

The coated studio x allows me to use a studio ring when I need a dry snare sound and then I can remove it when a wetter sound is needed and with the 2 snare set up I can instantly change between 4 different snare sounds depending on the songs being played just by adding or removing the studio ring. I tried the focus x but found it too controlled after adding a studio ring but would be fine by itself if I was only looking to get 1 sound from my snares.

I also use studio x clear over classic clear on all my toms (with a moon jell on the large ones when needed) and an sk1 with regulator front on my kick with no extra muffling.
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