Super Fast Drumming

lordmarco · #1 07-29-2005, 12:23 AM

Please check out my band VORNAGAR. i posted a video of me recording the drums to the SONG HYPERION. now check out the rest of the songs! http://www.myspace.com/vornagar (fast melodic death metal)

Barry · #2 07-29-2005, 12:40 AM

I've been wanting to hear some death metal drumming, but I can't find yours on that page.

#3 08-01-2005, 11:06 PM

omg i can`t tell it too often...you are such a damn awesome drummer, probably the best extreme metal drummer I have ever heard. I dont know but without the video it seems to be even faster(hyperion), hehe no insult man, probably it`s because you look so relaxed on the video

DrUmStIcKmUrDeReR · #4 08-01-2005, 11:26 PM

hey i got a question: is there a site i can download the songs from? because it wont let me download on myspace...

hotsauce3n · #5 08-02-2005, 02:36 AM

fast, but horrible music, i dont know how anyone can enjoy it... i bet i could play faster

Drummer_Dude9164 · #6 08-02-2005, 02:42 AM

death metal needs to die. theres no articulation involved, just pure speed. hell gimme a double pedal, a guy who can scream, and ive got a death metal band.

Tyrnox · #7 08-02-2005, 03:11 AM

Drummer dude, i'll personally come over to your house and hand you my drumset if you can play what Marco's playing after "getting a double pedal".

It might not be "subtle" music, but its filled with complicated riffs, odd timings and blazing speed, it takes years of training to be able to play anything close to death metal.

Johnny_Stacks · #8 08-02-2005, 07:52 PM

not my kind of music at all... and the drumming sounds like the song is skipping on a skratched CD... no offence man.. but you are a fast drummer and very creative with some of your fills ill give you that

DogBreath · #9 08-02-2005, 08:18 PM

I agree with Drummer Dude, death metal needs to die! Also country-western music, disco, polka, new age, easy listening, electronica, and anything else that I don't like.

Or . . .

I can accept the fact that other things exist in the world that people besides myself enjoy, and maybe those things shouldn't "die" because then everyone would have to listen to only what I like. Hmm. I guess I'll have to think about this one.

=-)

K!lly · #10 08-03-2005, 02:04 AM

Dog breath.....
that's the best arguement to explain people about tates and all that stuff I'v ever seen (or almost).....

your post totally blow me away.....

and if I don't allready tell it to lord marco.. your tracks blow me away too...

(yes now, I felt from my chair ;P )

Brent W · #11 08-03-2005, 08:07 AM

I imagine lordmarco's playing goes a lot further than death metal. To be honest I have never heard drumming that fast and consistent (mind you I have never really listened to much death metal or any metal for that matter). I mean just playing that fast is impressive, but he is playing that fast consistently for what I would imagine to be very physically demanding 5 minute songs! Perhaps this kind of drumming does not portray much articulation, dynamic, feel (not meant to be an insult, but its so fast it sounds robotic...but in a good way, as that kind of drumming really fits the music), and it probably is not all that musical to people (I for one). But as it has been stated, different people have different tastes. I think all types of music have a purpose and I think it is ignorant say otherwise. Also, just because he plays in a death metal band, does not mean he is incapable of drumming any other style. I imagine if he has chops like that he is well practiced and I imagine somewhere over the course of his drumming career, he has experimented with different types of drumming.

I don't get this big rivalry all the time! Why do drummers always want to show each other up?! I sense an iota of jealousy from a few. To be honest I imagine a lot of you guys can play fast, but I think it is VERY unlikely that you can play THAT fast (mind you I could be wrong). But marco's speed is insane! Awesome drumming! I'd really like to hear a drum solo showing your other drumming abilities because I really think that your playing runs deeper than JUST death metal.

Jeez we are all supposed to be drummers!!! Brothers and sisters of a great art! Where is the kinship and camaraderie?

In the end, everyone is different and everyone plays differently. So there really is no need to start these grudges. When it comes down to it there are things that you can do that the next drummer can't do, but there are things he can do that you can't. When you get to a certain level of playing and you fall into your style, it is always going to be like that. Get used to it! And embrace this by learning the things that you don't know from other drummers and teaching them the things they don't, but you do. We need to find some peace!

-Brent W

Smoky_McPot · #12 08-03-2005, 11:48 AM

Hey guys, 1st of all lordmarco wikkid tracks man. Awesome drumming. Now about all this genre bashing. 1st of all let me say i enjoy metal and "rock" alternative music most. But that doesnt mean that a 1/2 time shuffle on Fool in the Rain isnt kickarse. Drums are what we play, and our job is to compliment the music! So whether or not you like metal or country, drumming is still drumming and i think good drumming transcends genre. My point is that this is outstanding drumming, and im sure that he could nail any genre with relative ease.

#13 08-03-2005, 12:12 PM

come on guys, some say death metal has no articulation , just speed?
I like a lot of different music, and I enjoy many different kinds of feeling conveyed through the music, and melodic death metal is like a sometimes melancholic sometimes very aggressive adrenaline rush through your brain, it has a lot of articulation, of course, not everybody can feel this , but there are so many people who do not only listen to this kind of extreme music, just because of the speed and impressive technique

#14 08-03-2005, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DogBreath

I agree with Drummer Dude, death metal needs to die! Also country-western music, disco, polka, new age, easy listening, electronica, and anything else that I don't like.

What about emo? Can emo die? Please!?

I also don't get the "i can play better or faster", "it doesn't take talent to play metal" attitude you sometimes see. I don't listen to much death metal and it doesn't do much for me personally but I know a damn good drummer when I see and hear one. His chops are insanely fast and I'm sure that came with practice. The only way I could drum that fast is through a rapid series of electrical shocks. Marco and anyone else who can play with that kind of intensity gets my respect.

#15 08-03-2005, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Drummer_Dude9164

death metal needs to die. theres no articulation involved, just pure speed. hell gimme a double pedal, a guy who can scream, and ive got a death metal band.

HAHA!........you need to take a look at this guys snare work if you think that its just all fast double bass. I don't ike this type of music at all but have some respect....This guy has amazing chops.

DogBreath · #16 08-03-2005, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Milo

What about emo? Can emo die? Please!?

Yes, of course! Emo must die! Also asparagus, the new Volkswagons, movies starring J-Lo, and web pages where people post pictures of their cats.

hotsauce3n · #17 08-04-2005, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Drummer_Dude9164

death metal needs to die. theres no articulation involved, just pure speed. hell gimme a double pedal, a guy who can scream, and ive got a death metal band.

I couldnt agree with this guy more, this music is all physical how much you work to build up your speed no articulation or dynamics..

larkin42 · #18 08-04-2005, 11:40 PM

I agree totally, This guy is fast, you do have to give him some credit for that, but no skill or real true music sound behind it. Plus, i bet he uses a triple bass pedal, cause if you watch the way he moves his legs, and listen to the bass drum, it just dont add up, but he is pretty fast with his arms, that is good.

K!lly · #19 08-05-2005, 12:11 AM

triple bass pedal?.... what taht..
the movement of the legs doesnt mean anything

Edward · #20 08-05-2005, 12:27 AM

cool to watch and learn to go fast but.pointless...sounds like noise but DAM your fast!

G-MaN91 · #21 08-05-2005, 12:45 AM

alright, people saying this takes no skill or its not really music have to, 1. learn to respect people and what they do and 2. learn that different types of music, taht other people like even though you dont, call for a different style of playing the drums. the kind of stuff that lordmarco is doing, i could never do. and its not just speed. he has complete control, accuracy, and hes totally relaxed when hes playing.

Edward · #22 08-05-2005, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by G-MaN91

alright, people saying this takes no skill or its not really music have to, 1. learn to respect people and what they do and 2. learn that different types of music, taht other people like even though you dont, call for a different style of playing the drums. the kind of stuff that lordmarco is doing, i could never do. and its not just speed. he has complete control, accuracy, and hes totally relaxed when hes playing.

You can do it...but just practice!

LiquidSoul546 · #23 08-05-2005, 02:58 AM

When doesn't he put a blast beat in any song? sorry, but all these songs kind of sound the same.
peace
ps. doesn't mean your not a damn good drummer outside of this band

#24 08-05-2005, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DogBreath

Yes, of course! Emo must die! Also ...... and web pages where people post pictures of their cats.

Was that a direct shot at me? LOL

drumbastard · #25 08-05-2005, 11:49 AM

i'm not sure but i think this narrow minded thinking considering who's fastest and gimme a double pedal...and so on...could it be a question of age??
i remember me some years ago, every other drummer was a kind of "enemy" (i know sounds kinda stupid) but i always tried to be "better" (whatever that means) than the other drummers..till i found out that you can learn from almost every drummer...either his technique or style or whatever....thats why i appreciate this forum so much...to share ideas with drummers all over the world...thats really a great thing
cheers

thrashed · #26 08-05-2005, 08:51 PM

cool music dude!! lol :)

could u send me some of your demos as they are really good!

Thrashed

thrashed · #27 08-05-2005, 09:03 PM

actually ive found yr website so don't worry (downloading all of your demos as we speak! lol) you guys totally rock dude!!! i'm not a big death metal fan (more sort of punk rock and rock) but you guys kick ass!!!

Thrashed :)

Markdude465 · #28 08-05-2005, 09:57 PM

Tight... ass... drumming!

I had to swallow my heart when I saw that one-handed roll to rim-shot riff dealy.. omg, sweetness... just so clean and fast and tight... and powerful! Are you using a trigger on your bassdrum? I'm impressed with the sound quality being on such a ghetto-looking kit.

And as for this... *bites toungue* sub-par comment...

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Originally Posted by larkin42

Plus, i bet he uses a triple bass pedal, cause if you watch the way he moves his legs, and listen to the bass drum, it just dont add up...

Interesting proposition. Have you ever tried one of those things? It's not the "magical quick fix," or "gimmick" that people seem to think it is. It's not easy to coordinate the right and left foot to get clean sixteenth notes out of it, and being that there are three beaters, you'd be playing dotted eights with each foot. It also takes some practice to get the timing of the upstroke just right.

And you might consider the possibility that he's playing double strokes... a-la Virgil Donati or Tim Waterson. We can only see his thighs, and not his feet, and of course at such high speeds (or when playing doubles), leg movement will be minimal.

Anchein Vouivra · #29 08-06-2005, 11:27 AM

It's been a lot sayed before but that's AMAZING BLASTING SPEED !!!! I normally don't really like heavy death metal such as Napalm Death or Slayer, they have sound who is big that it gives me headache, but Vornagar has some cool melodic riffs which makes it a bit Black Metal (that love when it remains underground) and the sound quality is perfect.
If I had to put one personal critic. I prefer more unsane singing/screaming, where the lyrics can't be understood for that kind of music, I'm thinking of Old Man's Child, Ulver, Arcturus...
Anyway you guys are just awesome in your style !!!

Smoky_McPot · #30 08-07-2005, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hotsauce3n

fast, but horrible music, i dont know how anyone can enjoy it... i bet i could play faster

I would be interested if you can drum faster! Why dont you post a video of your chops??

stevec · #31 08-07-2005, 07:09 PM

I don't like the competetive bent going on much. But, I think it's human nature to compare ourselves to others. We do it with other stuff too (cars, money, looks etc.).
At my age, speed doesn't matter much anymore. In fact I am working on what to take out of my licks to simplify and it is the hardest thing to get it to sound right. I find that I'm trying to settle on tasteful hooks that make people tap their feet.
That being said, I was completely floored by that playing by LordMarco!

Pedro · #32 08-07-2005, 08:10 PM

For all the people who say that metal music is easy ro that you only need speed to play deat metal and other horrible things...

...check out the band "Death" and first of all the song "Spirit Crusher". If some of these guys can bring up such a creativity and controle like the drummer of Death, then you can say deathmetal is easy or something like that...but otherwise...

and by the way metal is a really difficult genre for drumming....but to understand that you first have to listen to some bands and not judge on the two songs you heard!! And if you do this: don't forget to listen in stead of hearing!

(and b.t.w.: marco is playing black metal)

darkcherryfade · #33 08-08-2005, 04:22 AM

My only issue with this straight up death metal sh*t is the limited dynamics. But it is fun to listen to. Lordmarco, tight stuff, man. You have the style down. Post a solo sometime!

finnhiggins · #34 08-08-2005, 04:41 AM

I just watched that video, coming late to the party. Impressive chops, Marco. Can't say the music is my kind of thing, I do prefer my death metal a bit more rhythmically varied rather than the 4/4 at ludicrous speeds thing, but you're certainly doing the job well.

But...

That poor crash cymbal! What have you done to it!

thinkintriplets · #35 08-08-2005, 04:44 AM

This is just sweetness the whole way through.

I love Death Metal. This IS Death Metal btw peeeps.

Anyways, I just wish drummers would be more accepting of other genres. How can you tell me this has no "dynamics". Try doing a one-handed snare roll, and then tell me thats NOT dynamic.

I think this is some of the best drumming. It is VERY creative, and pushing the boundary of death metal. Its hellova fast which rocks. And its also has some really nifty breaks.

Death Metal rules. Lord Marco, I salute you for being awesome and posting this stuff. When your stuff is available, I will be the first in line to buy it.

Marc.

finnhiggins · #36 08-08-2005, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkintriplets

Anyways, I just wish drummers would be more accepting of other genres. How can you tell me this has no "dynamics". Try doing a one-handed snare roll, and then tell me thats NOT dynamic.

Actually, that's very arguably not dynamic being as "dynamics" in music means changes in volume. One-handed snare rolls are almost invariably a single volume (or dynamic). Since death metal in particular is very focused on loud and heavy the vast majority of the time I think it's pretty fair to say it has no dynamics. A lot of hip-hop has no dynamics too, it just creates interest a different way. So if you want to argue for the strength of death metal as a style it'd probably be better to find a new argument than suggesting it is dynamic when it fairly blatently isn't most of the time.

darkcherryfade · #37 08-08-2005, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by finnhiggins

Actually, that's very arguably not dynamic being as "dynamics" in music means changes in volume. One-handed snare rolls are almost invariably a single volume (or dynamic). Since death metal in particular is very focused on loud and heavy the vast majority of the time I think it's pretty fair to say it has no dynamics. A lot of hip-hop has no dynamics too, it just creates interest a different way. So if you want to argue for the strength of death metal as a style it'd probably be better to find a new argument than suggesting it is dynamic when it fairly blatently isn't most of the time.

Thanks for sparing me the need to type that!

thinkintriplets · #38 08-08-2005, 04:58 AM

I see I seee...

Technical terms.

But at the same time, you cannot tell me that a one-handed snare roll is NOT a useful tool. Even in other genres of music, a one-handed snare roll would be sweetness.

Marc.

finnhiggins · #39 08-08-2005, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkintriplets

I see I seee...

Technical terms.

But at the same time, you cannot tell me that a one-handed snare roll is NOT a useful tool. Even in other genres of music, a one-handed snare roll would be sweetness.

Marc.

Well, yes... it's useful technique. From my experience though a lot of death metal chops aren't very cross-applicable. I've met a few drummers who're awesome at the whole flat dynamic blastbeat thing but who can't play even quite basic funk grooves well because their left hand is totally incapable of changing dynamic inside a groove and their timing is funny when they're not able to play constant subdivisions at a high speed. So while I think some of it is pretty cool, I don't necessarily think that great death metal chops translates well to, for example, great jazz chops.

Don't get me wrong. I do like metal drumming, but I'm of the opinion that the best of it is the stuff that plays around with meter and polyrhythmic phrasing (ala Meshuggah) rather than just focusing on 240bpm+ 4/4 blastbeats. If you're going to remove the dynamics there'd really better be something else to focus on instead, and for me a lot of metal doesn't have anything other than blazingly fast hands and feet going for it.

thinkintriplets · #40 08-08-2005, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by finnhiggins

If you're going to remove the dynamics there'd really better be something else to focus on instead, and for me a lot of metal doesn't have anything other than blazingly fast hands and feet going for it.

Thats the whole point!!!!!!! The blazing hands and feet!!

Why else listen to death metal? The whole point of it is the fact that its SO DAMNED FAST!!! lol!!

Marc.