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Old 05-28-2012, 05:47 PM
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So I stumbled across this yesterday...


It's called a Lug Lock, and according to the website, it keeps your drum in tune by locking the lug (go figure.)

"Simply thumb press over a tension rod head with a corner touching the rim. You spend all that time and effort tuning them, so why would you let that sound just slip away? Play with confidence knowing your sound will be consistent song after song, night after night."

Now, I could be wrong, but as far as I'm aware, the amount of tuning lost from the actual lugs loosening would be minimal compared to factors such as temperature and stretching of the drum heads...

Am I right?

Or am I misguided?

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Old 05-28-2012, 06:05 PM
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You are partly right I guess.
A (snare) drum can also detune from rim shots. The lug lock will fix that problem.
It seems that tuning accuracy is limited to 1/4 turns as one of the lug lock 'washer's' side needs to be parallel with the hoop . This is not acceptable to me.
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Old 05-28-2012, 06:08 PM
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Definitely not bull. Rimshots will detune a snare drum pretty quickly (some snares detune more quickly than others), which is why there are quite a few different products out there that will combat this.

Lug locks is one of the most common ones. Other alternatives are Lockerz (basically a more extreme way to lock the tension rod in place) and Tightscrews (a tension rod with nylon inserts)

My main snare detunes very easily (I play constant rimshot backbeats), so I've equipped it with Lockerz all around the drum. Works very well.
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Old 05-28-2012, 06:14 PM
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I dunno. Lug Lock's been around since 1980. For them to have stayed in business this long, and still be used by so many people, it must be at least a halfway valid idea. To some extent, advances in lug and tuning rod technology have made them less common, and if you have a higher-end snare drum, yes, they may be unnecessary.
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Old 05-28-2012, 06:30 PM
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Rods definitely loosen, and Lug Locks is one of several solutions offered for the problem.

I've always used thumbnuts - Pearl and Ludwig offer them - but they put a lot of stress on the rods, and the inserts. I switched to Tightscrew a few years ago, and they're excellent.

While in Australia last year, I had a backline kit and needed to lock the rods on the snare. I went to Allan's in Sydney and bought a pack of Lug Locks, and they failed miserably, spinning with the rod as it loosened. This was a Black Beauty snare, a pretty common drum without any extreme design issues that might cause the Lug Lock not to grip. It simply didn't work.

The next day, I went into another shop and got the Pearl thumbnuts, which of course worked perfectly.

But on my own snares, I use Tightscrews.

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You are partly right I guess.
A (snare) drum can also detune from rim shots.
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Definitely not bull. Rimshots will detune a snare drum pretty quickly (some snares detune more quickly than others), which is why there are quite a few different products out there that will combat this.
Ahhh, I knew there must have been something I was missing. It didn't occur to me that rim shots would de-tune the drum. Of course. I guess it makes sense now.
Surely though, this wouldn't help if there were changes in temperature though, right?
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While in Australia last year, I had a backline kit and needed to lock the rods on the snare. I went to Allan's in Sydney and bought a pack of Lug Locks, and they failed miserably, spinning with the rod as it loosened. This was a Black Beauty snare, a pretty common drum without any extreme design issues that might cause the Lug Lock not to grip. It simply didn't work.
Yeah, Lug Locks proved useless on my Black Beauty as well. Must be something about the hoop design.
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I've used the luglocks on a DW Collectors and Tama Artwood snare. They will eventually spin with the rod. Most of them would not press up tight against the rim, and you definitely can't use them on the bass drum.

Let me pass on something that the honorable Bill Bachman shared with me. He uses stainless steel nuts that you can get at the local hardware store. They might work like the Pearl thumbnuts that bermuda described. After you tune your head, you just tighten them down against the lug and you're locked in. They're only about 5 cents a piece and you can still feel the tension in your tension rods when you turn them if you use that as a tuning aid. I've had mine on every lug for about 6 months, and they're still locked. You will have to carry a small wrench though in your drum case in case you need to change heads on the road.
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Let me pass on something that the honorable Bill Bachman shared with me. He uses stainless steel nuts that you can get at the local hardware store. They might work like the Pearl thumbnuts that bermuda described. After you tune your head, you just tighten them down against the lug and you're locked in. They're only about 5 cents a piece and you can still feel the tension in your tension rods when you turn them if you use that as a tuning aid. I've had mine on every lug for about 6 months, and they're still locked. You will have to carry a small wrench though in your drum case in case you need to change heads on the road.
That's a great idea!
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Let me pass on something that the honorable Bill Bachman shared with me. He uses stainless steel nuts that you can get at the local hardware store. They might work like the Pearl thumbnuts that bermuda described. After you tune your head, you just tighten them down against the lug and you're locked in. They're only about 5 cents a piece and you can still feel the tension in your tension rods when you turn them if you use that as a tuning aid. I've had mine on every lug for about 6 months, and they're still locked. You will have to carry a small wrench though in your drum case in case you need to change heads on the road.
Oh man, that is a brilliant idea.
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Oh man, that is a brilliant idea.
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I've used the luglocks on a DW Collectors and Tama Artwood snare. They will eventually spin with the rod. Most of them would not press up tight against the rim, and you definitely can't use them on the bass drum.

Let me pass on something that the honorable Bill Bachman shared with me. He uses stainless steel nuts that you can get at the local hardware store. They might work like the Pearl thumbnuts that bermuda described. After you tune your head, you just tighten them down against the lug and you're locked in. They're only about 5 cents a piece and you can still feel the tension in your tension rods when you turn them if you use that as a tuning aid. I've had mine on every lug for about 6 months, and they're still locked. You will have to carry a small wrench though in your drum case in case you need to change heads on the road.
Yeah it would probably look better too lol. I cringe at the thought of a bunch of white plastic squares all over the top of my hoops. Plus you see the price for a bag of those? Like 3 or $4.99 for a bag of 12?? 12 little plastic squares!! That's friggin insane! That's already $10 just to do my snare drum! Granted if you only plan to use these on the snare then it's not so bad.

Although I personally wouldn't use these. For one I don't play live shows constantly and for two I like retuning my drums when ever I can or feel like it. It's sort of relaxing to tune them up, try different tuning methods etc. I like working with drums and learning about them so it's not a bother to tune them or keep them tuned quite a bit.

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Old 05-28-2012, 08:26 PM
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Although I personally wouldn't use these. For one I don't play live shows constantly and for two I like retuning my drums when ever I can or feel like it. It's sort of relaxing to tune them up, try different tuning methods etc. I like working drums and learning about them so it's not a bother to tune them or keep them tuned quite a bit.
That's probably a very beneficial way of looking at things...
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Old 05-28-2012, 08:34 PM
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Lug Lock work and do what they say.

I only stopped using them because they do wear out after a while.
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I have tried a few of the products out there but found I like rhythm tech's index tuners the best.
http://www.rhythmtech.com/products/acc/acc_pages/it.php
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Old 05-28-2012, 08:59 PM
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That's probably a very beneficial way of looking at things...
Yeah for sure. Don't get me wrong, the practicality of these types of products is valid and if made well will work. I just personally find tuning enjoyable lol and can see this being more benificial for those who play more than they have time to tune their drums like after every show / practice.

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Lug Lock work and do what they say.

I only stopped using them because they do wear out after a while.
I can see that. Mainly popping them off and on for what ever reason and maybe even the corners becoming rounded just a bit that allows them to slip.
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I have tried a few of the products out there but found I like rhythm tech's index tuners the best.
http://www.rhythmtech.com/products/acc/acc_pages/it.php
Tard, I have to say, the stuff you post here is pure gold. I really look forward to your posts. You're a real knowledgeable fellow. Never knew about these. I want to check them out, but I play DW drums which use the 32 TPI tuning rods. I wonder if they make them for DW.
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Old 05-28-2012, 09:57 PM
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I have tried a few of the products out there but found I like rhythm tech's index tuners the best.
http://www.rhythmtech.com/products/acc/acc_pages/it.php
Yes! I use those too!

Best product to prevent slippage I've ever found. They are a bit expensive, so I only use them on my snare, and only in the area when my stick hits the rim. But they work great and (so far) have lasted me years and years without wearing out.



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I can see that. Mainly popping them off and on for what ever reason and maybe even the corners becoming rounded just a bit that allows them to slip.
Exactly, the corners get rounded after a while. Particularly when your taking them on and off to change a head.
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Tard, I have to say, the stuff you post here is pure gold. I really look forward to your posts. You're a real knowledgeable fellow. Never knew about these. I want to check them out, but I play DW drums which use the 32 TPI tuning rods. I wonder if they make them for DW.
Thanks again for the good info.
Thanks Larry, unfortunately I think they only come in the standard 24 tpi but Canopus's makes "bolt tight" not quite as good as the index tuners IMO but at least they will fit on any tension rod and do not limit you to only 4 positions like "lockers" and "lug locks". The tight screws are not bad but I find them a bit stiff and I believe only come in standard thread as well plus if your gonna replace the tension rods with them you might as well go with the index tuners, Like D.E.D was saying they are a little more money but you really only need them on the top of your snares.

http://www.canopusdrums.com/en/other...ght/index.html


MY bad, just checked the tight screws web site and you can get them for DW "true pitch" 32 tpi

From FAQ section of: http://tightscrew.com/faqs.htm

Will TightScrews fit my drums?

TightScrews will fit most American and Japanese drums. TightScrews will fit pre-1995 DW drums with 12-24 threads, and DW and Pacific Drums with "Truepitch" threads (supplied after late 1994). Be sure to specify DW rods for drums fitted with Truepitch (fine) threads.

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I've used the luglocks on a DW Collectors and Tama Artwood snare. They will eventually spin with the rod. Most of them would not press up tight against the rim, and you definitely can't use them on the bass drum.

Let me pass on something that the honorable Bill Bachman shared with me. He uses stainless steel nuts that you can get at the local hardware store. They might work like the Pearl thumbnuts that bermuda described. After you tune your head, you just tighten them down against the lug and you're locked in. They're only about 5 cents a piece and you can still feel the tension in your tension rods when you turn them if you use that as a tuning aid. I've had mine on every lug for about 6 months, and they're still locked. You will have to carry a small wrench though in your drum case in case you need to change heads on the road.
That's a good idea.

I have used Tightscrews since 2006 on my entire set, reso and batter heads, bass drum, toms and snare, and I love them. Quick and easy and absolutely reliable.
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Tard, I have to say, the stuff you post here is pure gold. I really look forward to your posts. You're a real knowledgeable fellow. Never knew about these. I want to check them out, but I play DW drums which use the 32 TPI tuning rods. I wonder if they make them for DW.
Thanks again for the good info.

No such thing as 32 TPI... Not in UNF threads anyway... I would bet DW is using metric, something probably in the neighborhood of 6x1.0mm Usually a standard SAE tuning rod is a #12x28 (thats about 3/16" diameter/28 TPI) Metric varies, I have seen both 6mm and 7mm both in 0.75 and 1.0 thread pitches.
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No such thing as 32 TPI... Not in UNF threads anyway... I would bet DW is using metric, something probably in the neighborhood of 6x1.0mm Usually a standard SAE tuning rod is a #12x28 (thats about 3/16" diameter/28 TPI) Metric varies, I have seen both 6mm and 7mm both in 0.75 and 1.0 thread pitches.
Sorry, but some machine screw sizes do use 32 threads per inch.

NS=national special, NC=national coarse, NF=national fine
http://www.grahamtool.com/images/pro...ecker_inch.jpg
Common machine screw sizes found in tap and die sets.
#4 - 36 tpi is NS and 40 tpi is NC
#6 - 32 tpi is NC
#8 - 32 tpi is NC
#10 - 24 tpi is NC and 32 tpi is NF (aka 3/16" but still 24 NC or 32 NF)
#12 - 24 tpi is NC and 32 tpi is NS
#14 - 20 tpi is NC

Also standard tension rods are #12 24NC and DW's true pitch are #10 32NF.

From the DW website: http://www.dwdrums.com/snares/features.asp

True-Pitch® Tuning Rods

To give drummers even more control over their sound, DW created its patented True-Pitch® rod system. The rods feature 10/32 threads

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DW and others use standard M5 threads on their "fine" tension screws. Nothing confusing about that. What does confuse me, is how anyone can patent applying a standard thread to a drum part.
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DW and others use standard M5 threads on their "fine" tension screws. Nothing confusing about that. What does confuse me, is how anyone can patent applying a standard thread to a drum part.
According to the DW web site, they state the "True Pitch" tension rods are 10/32 and according to this pdf 10/32 and M5 are not interchangeable.

http://www.stayonline.com/whitepaper...-Cage-Nuts.pdf

It states a 10/32 bolt is loose in an M5 nut and a M5 bolt will strip threads in a 10/32 nut.


Just went to the shop and checked my chart:
10/32 = .190" diameter with a .03125" pitch
M5x.8 = .1969" diameter with a .0315" pitch

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http://www.rhythmtech.com/products/acc/acc_pages/it.php
Yep..that's a good product…I used them on 62 COB supersensitive ludwig..kept it in tune...
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Another vote for the index tuners. Been using them since '96....
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Tard - thanks they are now on my shopping list.
Looks cool too.
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I have tried a few of the products out there but found I like rhythm tech's index tuners the best.
http://www.rhythmtech.com/products/acc/acc_pages/it.php
Ooh, forgot about those, and I'm a Rhythm Tech endorser!

Also reminded me that Gary Gauger (inventor of RIMS) has Lockerz - http://www.gaugerpercussion.com/lockerzX.html

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According to the DW web site, they state the "True Pitch" tension rods are 10/32 and according to this pdf 10/32 and M5 are not interchangeable.

http://www.stayonline.com/whitepaper...-Cage-Nuts.pdf

It states a 10/32 bolt is loose in an M5 nut and a M5 bolt will strip threads in a 10/32 nut.


Just went to the shop and checked my chart:
10/32 = .190" diameter with a .03125" pitch
M5x.8 = .1969" diameter with a .0315" pitch
Yes, I know they're not interchangeable, but this, from DW's own site, confuses matters even more :)

http://www.dwdrums.com/factoryaccess...NAME=dwsmSVKIT

Look at the contents list under tension screws.
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Yes, I know they're not interchangeable, but this, from DW's own site, confuses matters even more :)

http://www.dwdrums.com/factoryaccess...NAME=dwsmSVKIT

Look at the contents list under tension screws.
LOL, well its hard for us to know what their using when they dont even know what their using.


Edit and update:
I emailed DW earlier and to add to the confusion just received this message from them:

Hello Drew,
To my knowledge most tension rod companies have a M5 style tension rod that is used. Our thread pitch is finer and has more threads per inch than a standard tension rod that is offered. I don’t know the exact measurements but if a change is need to our online information we will update it. Thanks for the information and have a great weekend!

Beto Benitez
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BetoB@dwdrums.com


I returned the email stating: I am now totally confused because standard tension rods are12/24 but on the DW website it shows that the true pitch are 10/32 and in another area are shown as M5 and although smaller and finer than the standard, those 2 sizes are not interchangeable.

http://www.dwdrums.com/snares/features.asp
http://www.dwdrums.com/drums/collect...s/hardware.asp

Hopefully they will be able to clear this up.

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Good research guys, I was not aware DW's were as small as #10... thats pretty tiny in comparison..

And for the post about thread sizes Tard, I know what thread sizes ARE offered...Im a machinists apprentice, I was working under the assumption no drum manufacturer was using #10 tension rods, therefore eliminating the possibility of 32 TPI
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Good research guys, I was not aware DW's were as small as #10... thats pretty tiny in comparison..

And for the post about thread sizes Tard, I know what thread sizes ARE offered...Im a machinists apprentice, I was working under the assumption no drum manufacturer was using #10 tension rods, therefore eliminating the possibility of 32 TPI
Hey,no problem, it was just that without specifying that you had stated:"No such thing as 32 TPI... Not in UNF threads anyway...".
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Let me pass on something that the honorable Bill Bachman shared with me. He uses stainless steel nuts that you can get at the local hardware store.

12/24 nuts aren't your standard 'local hardware store' fare, they're not a common household size.

I haven't been to the hardware store lately, tho if you go to ACE I don't think they'll have 12/24 nuts... after 10 they usually go to 1/4" in the hardware realm.
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Let me pass on something that the honorable Bill Bachman shared with me. He uses stainless steel nuts that you can get at the local hardware store.

12/24 nuts aren't your standard 'local hardware store' fare, they're not a common household size.

I haven't been to the hardware store lately, tho if you go to ACE I don't think they'll have 12/24 nuts... after 10 they usually go to 1/4" in the hardware realm.
Most hardware stores around here carry them and have found the #14 is rare but if you cant find #12 at you local sores then 7/32 is the same size, NC is 24, NF is 28 and NS is 32, hope that helps.
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Most hardware stores around here carry them and have found the #14 is rare but if you cant find #12 at you local sores then 7/32 is the same size, NC is 24, NF is 28 and NS is 32, hope that helps.
It's been 25 years since I played but the tune in my drums was always changing (yes even after I got done with skin heads :) ) and at least part of that was the result of the rims getting hit, either by rim shots or by playing on them for effect. The hitting on the rims would change the tension on the heads, stretch the material etc.

Won't that still happen, even with the best of the new heads, resulting in a change even though the rods stay put?

Or am I missing something?? Which is dammed sure a possibility because a hell of a lot has happened since I played!!
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It's been 25 years since I played but the tune in my drums was always changing (yes even after I got done with skin heads :) ) and at least part of that was the result of the rims getting hit, either by rim shots or by playing on them for effect. The hitting on the rims would change the tension on the heads, stretch the material etc.

Won't that still happen, even with the best of the new heads, resulting in a change even though the rods stay put?

Or am I missing something?? Which is dammed sure a possibility because a hell of a lot has happened since I played!!
To a certain extent, yes, but the biggest problem seems to be just the 1 or 2 tension rods near where you do you rim shots will loosen up quite quickly. Rims shots have a tendency to compress the hoop and allow the tension to back of just a hair each time. Not sure about other players but I have found that if I dont use anything to control it that at least the one tension closest to my left handed rim shots can be so loose by the end of a set that I can screw it in or out with just my fingers.
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Let me pass on something that the honorable Bill Bachman shared with me. He uses stainless steel nuts that you can get at the local hardware store.

12/24 nuts aren't your standard 'local hardware store' fare, they're not a common household size.

I haven't been to the hardware store lately, tho if you go to ACE I don't think they'll have 12/24 nuts... after 10 they usually go to 1/4" in the hardware realm.

You know what, you're right that it's not a typical hardware store size. So I apologize. During my first search, I did locate a small pack at a local Home Depot. They were a bit pricey, so I went to another smaller lumber/hardware store and they referred me over to a commercial industrial distributor in my city. I bought packs of 100 (5mm - DW & 12/24 - all others) for about 5c each. Bulk purchase is the best for these things. However, even at 50c a piece they are quite economical AND effective @ around $8-10 per drum.

It's been over 5 months and the tension rods are still locked, but a few of my drums did manage to go out of tune.
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You know what, you're right that it's not a typical hardware store size. So I apologize. During my first search, I did locate a small pack at a local Home Depot. They were a bit pricey, so I went to another smaller lumber/hardware store and they referred me over to a commercial industrial distributor in my city. I bought packs of 100 (5mm - DW & 12/24 - all others) for about 5c each. Bulk purchase is the best for these things. However, even at 50c a piece they are quite economical AND effective @ around $8-10 per drum.

It's been over 5 months and the tension rods are still locked, but a few of my drums did manage to go out of tune.
Would you (someone, anyone) be able to post a picture of what they look like on the tension rod? Every time I imagine these (I'm assuming people are screwing them down onto the lug) I can't fathom how they work. Shouldn't they detune as normal, seeing as how loosening the tension rod should just bring them up as well, seeing as how they tighten and loosen in the same direction?
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Would you (someone, anyone) be able to post a picture of what they look like on the tension rod? Every time I imagine these (I'm assuming people are screwing them down onto the lug) I can't fathom how they work. Shouldn't they detune as normal, seeing as how loosening the tension rod should just bring them up as well, seeing as how they tighten and loosen in the same direction?
Drop down to post #16 (Ian Paice's sig snare). The nuts you see locked down onto the lugs is a lock nut that you can turn just with your fingers. It works the same as regular stainless steel nut, but you don't need a wrench. It's pretty simple. The "tension" of the nut locked down onto the lug secures the tension rod from turning as the rim flexes from rim shots.

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86715h&highlight=ian+pace+nuts+bi ll+bachman

You can also see how this topic of nuts pops up almost every other month or so...

Lots of nuts on this forum :-)
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Shouldn't they detune as normal, seeing as how loosening the tension rod should just bring them up as well, seeing as how they tighten and loosen in the same direction?

They would loosen if you used a drum key. The forces of vibrational detuning are way less than a key.

The rim gets pushed down from the force of the stick impact, for a 1000th of a second the rod is free to move, the vibration of the drum provides the energy for the rod to move/loosen.

A simple nut provides enough force against the lug nut to prevent vibrational forces from loosing the tension rod.
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Shouldn't they detune as normal, seeing as how loosening the tension rod should just bring them up as well, seeing as how they tighten and loosen in the same direction?

They would loosen if you used a drum key. The forces of vibrational detuning are way less than a key.

The rim gets pushed down from the force of the stick impact, for a 1000th of a second the rod is free to move, the vibration of the drum provides the energy for the rod to move/loosen.

A simple nut provides enough force against the lug nut to prevent vibrational forces from loosing the tension rod.
I was waiting for Les Ismore to provide the textbook explanation of this phenomenon.
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