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Old 04-23-2012, 05:44 AM
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Default 16 inch Floor Tom/Bass Drum Conversion

Fellow Rhythmic Badasses,

I'm interested in converting my 16x14 (mounted) floor tom into a bass drum. The kit is a Pearl Prestige Session Select. I don't have leg brackets... does anybody have experience drilling?

I wanted to add real bass drum spurs to make it legit, but I'm not sure they make something like that for the 16 inch size... ya know, circumference? Is a bass drum conversion kit my only option? Would I have to drill 3 holes?

Lets talk about skins for this bad boy. Dual Ply? Foam? Beater side? Batter Side? The toms all have a great timbre. They are a birch/mahogany blend. Good low tone. Should make for a cool build. Any takers? Picture below.
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Old 04-23-2012, 05:50 AM
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DON'T DRILL IT!

I wouldn't drill my 16x16 Pearl Export. Don't drill those! I'd go with a conversion kit. I'd really just suggest a DW Riser if you can afford it. I wouldn't compromise that shell though. Keep it as a floor tom, ditch the tom mount, get some decent heads, and just mount in on that riser.

http://www.dwdrums.com/info/manuals/DW9909Manual.pdf

For heads, I've been suggested thick heads. I've heard PS3 or Super Kick II on the batter, and a PS3 or Emperor or something similar on the Reso side.

There are only about a million topics on this in the forum. Use the search function and you'll get a lot.
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Old 04-23-2012, 05:57 AM
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eBay .... bass drum spurs .... about 140 results ..... http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...All-Categories
Now, some spurs attach to the hoop, not the drum shell (very old school). No hole drilling required, there. (Example .... Danmar http://www.ebay.com/itm/Danmar-Hoop-...#ht_500wt_1202 ) Spurs that attach to the shell, you might have to drill one, two, three, four, or more holes. All depends on the design.
For heads, it's all up to you, and what you want, sound wise. I'd probably go with a Powerstroke 3 or a Pinstripe batter, and a Ambassador reso.
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Old 04-23-2012, 12:39 PM
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Insert these into the current tom leg holders and you have instant spurs with no drilling.
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Old 04-23-2012, 03:55 PM
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It's a hanging tom, doesn't have any brackets for spurs.

This thread had some good options for cradles rather than using spurs.

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=68542
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Old 04-23-2012, 05:22 PM
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I've built a few floor tom bass drums. I've found that drilling the shells is a terrible idea unless the drum is something you just don't care about. That being said, go with the spurs that slide into your leg brackets. I've used floor tom legs as bass "spurs" - I just turned them until they touched the floor. The tom rocked a little, but basically, the legs kept the drum from rolling - not so much a stationary deal. For heads, I always go with the Ambassador coated for the batter side and a Pinstripe for the reso side. I built a cocktail kit last week from a 16X16 and ended up using one of those Black Suede Remo heads for the (top) batter side - and a coated Emperor for the (bottom) batter side. The sound is good. Another trick I've used: I like to go to thrift stores to find "drum" parts. Last week I found a trivet (wooden pot holder) that was huge - 16 inches wide, cradle shaped. I put that on top of a wooden box, put a 14X14 on top, voila, mini-kick drum. I attached the drum to the box/trivet with bungee cords - it's a crappy shell and any loss of tone is not noticeable. The floor tom "jungle" style conversion kits are expensive but work really well. Another consideration is how to hook a bass pedal to the drum once you have figured out how to cradle it. I've added pieces to some (drilled the shell and added a lip) I've used velcro, I've used coat hangers - all dependant on the drum configuration. Keep trying and experimenting - you'll figure it out.
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Old 04-23-2012, 06:29 PM
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Somewhere out there in the internet I've seen pictures of a wooden stand a guy made that utilizes the existing Pearl mount for a bass drum conversion. I would search for you but I'm at work and don't have much time.

Picture this. The ISS mount is attached to the resonant side hoop. The tom rests on its side with the ISS mount pointed down. The Pearl tom arm comes out toward the floor and then bends at a 90 degree angle so the long portion of the arm is parallel with the floor, running lengthwise down the shell. That portion of the tom arm is clamped to a wooden plate that sits flat on the floor, with integrated spurs that stabilize the apparatus and prevent it moving around when played.

The batter side of the drum is supported using a standard riser that may or may not be attached to the wooden stand (can't remember). The pedal clamps onto this. He of course converted to wooden hoops for this.

Search around and you should be able to find what I'm talking about.

If you went this route it would probably be worth investing in an OptiMount to put all that force coming from your foot and the beater against the lugs and not against the hoop via the ISS mount. And especially if you went with wood hoops, the ISS would be obsolete.
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:41 AM
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Great things happening here! People helping people!

?uesto, I decided to go with the DW 9909... definitely the quality I was looking for.

On a side note, I've decided to use my 14x12 (pic below) as a floor tom. I will need to drill holes in this drum. I have purchased a set of Pearl LB-40s and LG-40s. Does any body have and tips before drilling? Obviously I'll need a level, but is there anything I need to know to prevent damage to the shell? Should I have this professionally done? Its something like 3 dollars a hole...

Also, does anybody know anything about these Remo Renaissance heads? I've always wanted to give them a shot. Renaissance Ambassadors for the toms and a Renaissance Powerstroke 3 for the kick. Maybe a Fiberskin Powerstroke 3 for the reso side... just brainstorming. I don't want the kick to ring too much... might have to use some foam.
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Old 04-24-2012, 04:31 AM
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When drilling holes, equipment is key. A new and/or sharp drill bit. Technique ... back up the hole (spot being drilled) with a piece of wood. This prevents the interior wood ply from splitting when the drill punches thru.
If you plan on a Powerstroke 3 batter, and a Fiberskyn 3 reso, you're probably not going to need foam.
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:12 PM
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A drill press is a good way to drill those holes, makes cracking far less likely.
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Old 04-25-2012, 09:25 PM
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I'm worried about harming the shell. I think I'm going to have a professional do the drilling. Hardware and heads are on the way. Need to act soon so I can post some pics.
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Old 04-26-2012, 04:44 AM
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Default Re: 16 inch Floor Tom/Bass Drum Conversion

Build (or buy) a cradle...


...or build a riser. This one is made from a Pearl ISS mount. There is an actual riser you can buy using this mount and a tom arm. I've seen it before but don't remember where. Might try one of the online shops like Musician's Friend.
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Old 04-26-2012, 02:31 PM
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Default Re: 16 inch Floor Tom/Bass Drum Conversion

Lots of ways to do it without drilling the shell. Do a general search for 'bass drum riser' (or bass drum lifter, or bass drum cradle) to get some ideas.
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Old 04-26-2012, 04:25 PM
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Here's my stab at a 16" drum riser.

I wasn't sure if this was something I would use regularly, so I didn't really want to spend any money. I was determined to make something out of whatever I had laying around, and this is what I came up with.





Built from a piece of 2x4, a piece of cork wood flooring, and some carpet. The front cradle piece has a hole in the center. The leg mount on the tom sits snugly inside the hole and keeps the drum centered . The two sections are spaced so if just fits between the top and bottom lugs. Between the two, the drum stays nice and secure, but there is nothing physically attaching it to the riser.
My 16" is a junker and just has a rattle can finish on it, so I'm not concerned about the carpet contact with the shell. If this had a nice finish on it, I wouldn't have made this design.

Not sure if my thought process was right on this or not, but I purposely went with a heavy construction, with a lot of material making contact with the shell. I was thinking that the more mass there was, it would lower the overall tone of the drum to get it down a little lower.

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Old 05-06-2012, 01:37 AM
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As some have said, no need to drill.

I'm going through the same process myself as rehearsal space is quite limited.

I am going to build something similar to product pictured below ... hopefully ... (first time I've tried to post a pic).

The less-handy or time constrained can buy this at http://www.sunradius.com/cvt.htm .

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Old 05-15-2012, 06:09 AM
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Figured I'd post a picture of the final product..
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:26 AM
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Man, that is one cooooool looking kit. Good job.
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Old 05-15-2012, 08:01 AM
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Man, that is one cooooool looking kit. Good job.
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:43 PM
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Figured I'd post a picture of the final product..

Looks very good.
Could you give a little more info though?
Like did you end up having to drill the drum? Is that lift something you made, or something you bought? It looks like a DW lift.
If it's something you made, it'd be great if you could give a little rundown on what it is, and how you put it together.



Also, for anyone who knows - those toms in the first pic with the offset lugs. Is that the way they came from the factory - shortened with offset lugs? Or were they modified.
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Old 05-16-2012, 06:08 AM
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Well, there were no holes drilled in the bass drum. I used a DW 9909 riser. Very good quality but also quite pricey. Six holes were drilled in the floor tom so that leg brackets could be installed. As for the toms (origionally power toms) those are not factory. They were basically cut in half and a bearing edge was refitted for both. When the toms were shortened, the lugs had to be offset... we realized a little too late that the air vents would be in the way :\ oh well.
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Old 05-16-2012, 02:14 PM
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OK - thanks for the info. Once again, lookin' good.
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As some have said, no need to drill.

I'm going through the same process myself as rehearsal space is quite limited.

I am going to build something similar to product pictured below ... hopefully ... (first time I've tried to post a pic).

The less-handy or time constrained can buy this at http://www.sunradius.com/cvt.htm .

Peace & dynamics,
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Hello everyone, I am new to the forum but just wanted to let you know that I am the original inventor and patent holder for the Convert-a-tom. I recently started production again. Of course, I think it is the best thing out there. And I've been able to produce it at a very competitive price. PM me if you're interested. Since another poster used my image I felt I had to follow up. Thanks! ----John
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:06 AM
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oops - Sorry John for the image theft!

In fairness ... I did advertise the link for ya!

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Old 02-05-2013, 04:27 PM
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Oh no. I appreciate the interest! I've been busy with lots of other things lately so I was slacking off on my Convert-a-tom promotion. BTW I've got a few customers that use it for their 14" tom! It's pretty sweet sounding. Perfect for very small venues.

It's self explanatory how it is put together but I'm going to do a YouTube video on it this weekend. If anyone is interested I'll post a link.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:52 PM
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http://youtu.be/t1yZNumvRCA?t=5m13s

Dunnett has a sweet looking and handy conversion kit 2.0 out with some extra's.
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:50 AM
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Here's my invention in action! I hope you all like it!

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Old 03-03-2013, 01:06 AM
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i did this (stumbled upon a 22" kick for $20 and the tom is now back to being a tom).
1. you can make floor tom leg into quasi spurs with a pipe bender
2. you'll need wood hoops for a metal batter side riser to work

if i had to do it again, i'd probably get a riser. i think the drummaker wood hoops didn't work with tom heads, and the whole thing was a hassle. i also wanted a "legit" tom kick. I used medium fiberskyns, no port, and very little or no muffling. a felt strip probably is a good fit.
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