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Old 04-03-2012, 09:15 PM
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happened last night. I either need to give up or really learn not to care about anything in life.

Check this out. I play in my church's p and w band. Their kit is an old Pearl Export 5 piece in black wrap. No complaints about this kit. It's held up really well and fun to play. Pearl had a winner in that kit. Since it was "donated" by another church member because their kid lost interest in drumming, it sort of needs new heads. The snare head is the worst. Normal stuff.

After banging this skin for about 9 months now, I finally realized it's beyond it's time and really needs to go. Plus the entire drum needed a good cleaning, as does the drum set. You know, a bit of TLC.

So I have a $20.00 GC gift card laying around so I decide to use that to purchase needed snare drum heads. I begin looking in my drum closet and find a slightly used 14" clear batter head. Should work ok for a batter. At least far better than what was on there.

Upon inspecting the snare reso head, that thing should have been replaced eons ago. So I set about removing the heads and giving the 14 x 61/2" metal snare drum a goog cleaning. The snare wires are shot so I replace them with a fairly new pair I have.

I go to GC to buy the snare reso head yesterday and came out with a Remo 14" HAZY 1 ply head. I get home and realize I don't want the hazy, I really wanted the clear head for looks, since I have a clear batter head. I make my way back to GC, the same guy is behind the counter I bought it from 1 hour ago and sorta looks at me funny. I tell him what I want - basically just to replace this hazy with a clear.

You'd have friggin thought I was expaining astrophysics and rocket science to him. The look I got was a "dear in the headlights", dumbass confused, pale, expressionless, 1 chromosome missing look. I explained again what I wanted, nicely. He catches on and looks a bit, then comes back with a HAZY Batter Head saying it will work just fine. I have to explain again what I want. A CLEAR reso head, 1 ply thick, snare-side head. He tells me the drum head he is holding is a batter head. I agree. I had to explain AGAIN I simply wanted a clear reso snare head - and added "the bottom head for a snare drum". I emphasis the one he sold me is HAZY, I want CLEAR.

He scratches his head and then tells me the Remo HAZY will turn clear when I put it on the drum.

I'm friggin' speechless.

Talk about BS!!

I finally give up, realizing I'm taling to a complete dumbshit, who has NO CLUE as to what I'm talking about, or even care.

My affiliation with GC has about ended now. Every time I walk in there, I always see some new kid behind the counter wearing a badge saying he's "a certified GC expert". Like that means anything. They hire these kids for minimum wage, give them a little bit of training and enough knowledge to be extremely dangerous, then turn them loose and tell them they are now "experts" who know a lot more than their customers.

I was having a really good day until I ran into this twerp.
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Old 04-03-2012, 09:26 PM
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I'd have looked at you funny too. No one can see your snare reso head. The hazy head is a fine reso head, IMHO better than a clear reso.

The GC guy was wrong not to give you what you wanted, but not wrong to take his time doing it.
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Old 04-03-2012, 10:18 PM
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I'm 50, so I can be anal sometimes! lol Oh the hazy is a fine head. You are corect, sir!

I was just thinking it may be cool to have both heads transparent is all and was getting frustrated with the guy for arguing. I must be old school because every job I've had I've been taught "the customer is always right".

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Old 04-03-2012, 11:33 PM
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The GC employee obviously doesn't know what he's doing and shouldn't be working in the drum department. Big time fail.

On a side note, Evans Hazy snare rezo's are actually clear. What up with that? LOL! Remos must be different.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:42 AM
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Well, if you originally came away with a 14" Hazy head, it was probably the correct head to use. To my knowledge Hazy heads come in three different series, The Diplomat, the Ambassador and the Emperor.The only differences is their thickness with the Ambassador having the most common thickness of a 3 mil head being the most used snare drum resonant head. The word Hazy only means that it is a very thin head meant for use as the bottom head of a snare drum. Any clear heads by Remo will have at least a thickness of 7.5 mil and that's the Remo Diplomat, and it's use is either a tom resonant head or batter head, it's a bit too thick to be placed on the underside of a snare drum.

Evans also has three different snare drum reso heads. The Hazy 200, the Hazy 300 and the Hazy 500. Each has a different thickness with the 300 (3 mil) being the most common. See where this is leading?

I believe you have a bit of apologizing to do. The GC salesperson was correct. There are some knowledgeable people working at GC, if you look, you can find them, lol.

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Old 04-04-2012, 01:12 AM
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Man, you do let the most trivial stuff get you flapping don't you?

Whilst I definitely got a giggle out of the "HAZY will turn clear when I put it on the drum" line. It just ain't worth 8 to 10 paragraphs of angst my friend.

It's........a.......snare.......reso!!
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Put it on, play it and be done with it. If it bothers you that much, either fork out for a coated batter....or perhaps just close your eyes. :-)
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Old 04-04-2012, 01:36 AM
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To my best recollection, there is only one type of standard snare side head, the hazy, in the three weights as mentioned by audiotech. There are some specialty/marching snare side heads, IIRC, but that's not really what we're talking about in this thread.
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Old 04-04-2012, 04:30 PM
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I do tend to be long-winded don't I? Haha!

Stupid white boy. Ok, I stand corrected..."I learnt sumthin' " That's why I love this forum...the knowledge and expertise on here is amazing.

Thanks for the education fellas!!
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Old 04-04-2012, 04:42 PM
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As a point of interest perhaps, the collarless Ambassador snare resos are clear. There's not a hint of that hazy look to them. But you generally won't find them at GC and I couldn't find one at Donn Bennett either (5-star shop), so you have to special order it (Model No. SA-0314-TD). They can be found online.
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Old 04-04-2012, 08:52 PM
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Thanks MikeM. I have two kits to rehead in the future, so this is good info.
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Old 04-04-2012, 08:54 PM
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As a point of interest perhaps, the collarless Ambassador snare resos are clear. There's not a hint of that hazy look to them. But you generally won't find them at GC and I couldn't find one at Donn Bennett either (5-star shop), so you have to special order it (Model No. SA-0314-TD). They can be found online.
I believe those fall into the marching category of heads per Remo.
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Old 04-05-2012, 12:59 AM
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I believe those fall into the marching category of heads per Remo.
They are characterized as a marching 3 mil Mylar resonant head designed with a low collar capable of withstanding very high tension. The have less sustain than the Hazy snare side heads, but I guess it wouldn't harm anything to experiment with them. I don't know if the "low collar" would affect their fit on a standard snare drum.

Remo calls them "low collar", not collarless, if this makes any difference or not. I am referring to their stock # SA-0314-TD.

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Old 04-05-2012, 02:58 AM
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Thanks.

A thread where I actually learned something.

Whew! On one of my snares, it's a Hazy Dip and not a 7.5 mil Dip.

Dennis, would you say that a 5x14" maple snare with a 7.5 mil Dip would be less than ideal as a snare reso? I would experiment with one of my 14" floor tom resos, but I'm a little lazy and if it's gonna cut some of the ring in the snare, I probably wouldn't bother. I like to tune it pretty lively, otherwise it's a little boxy and dead sounding.
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Thanks.

A thread where I actually learned something.

Whew! On one of my snares, it's a Hazy Dip and not a 7.5 mil Dip.

Dennis, would you say that a 5x14" maple snare with a 7.5 mil Dip would be less than ideal as a snare reso? I would experiment with one of my 14" floor tom resos, but I'm a little lazy and if it's gonna cut some of the ring in the snare, I probably wouldn't bother. I like to tune it pretty lively, otherwise it's a little boxy and dead sounding.
For certain it will be much less sensitive, so it does depend what style music you're playing. The genres I play sort of run the gamut, so I usually run an Evans Hazy 300 on all my snares. The only time I don't, is where we are unplugged and playing intimate little three or four piece gigs, then I might switch over to an Evans Hazy 200 for better brush sensitivity. The thickest snare head I ever tried was the Evans Hazy 500. It wasn't my cup of tea because of it's lack of sensitivity and response.

The regular Remo Diplomats are about three and a half times thicker than their Hazy (2 mil) Diplomat counterpart, so there will be a significant difference in their sensitivity, response and sound. I've never used a Remo Hazy Diplomat, and never used a 7.5 mil head on my snares, so I'm just going by the numbers.

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Old 04-05-2012, 07:42 PM
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I believe those fall into the marching category of heads per Remo.
Really? That would explain why I couldn't find it on their website! In any case, they're the only heads I could find that wouldn't mash into the snare butt plate on my Supra and Black Beauty. That's because they're collarless. Doesn't seem to be a different mylar, though. Sounds just like any other 3 mil snare reso to me.
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Old 04-06-2012, 12:32 AM
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I don't know that Remo even makes a clear glass reso head. Evans and Ludwig do. Not sure about Aquarian.
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Old 04-06-2012, 01:40 AM
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While I don't have thousands of posts on here, I do have some new in box Remo heads right in front of me. And contrary to what others are saying the OP is correct.

Remo doesn't make Clear Ambassabor snare reso heads AND Hazy Ambassador snare reso heads.

I have one of each right here that I bought last week at Sam Ash.

The Hazy one is definitely hazier than the Clear and both are clearly are mark Ambassador Snare. Just the hazy one has an additional marking for hazy.

Here is a clear one for sale.

Here is a hazy one for sale.

Simply, Remo makes both heads, and the OP should have been able to get either one without any BS from the guitar center guy.

Also it says they make both right here on the Remo Website.

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Old 04-06-2012, 03:59 AM
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Please give us the part numbers for the two heads you have.. The part numbers for the two heads you've linked on sweetwater are the same exact model head, one 13" and one 14". Look at the photos, both boxes say Ambassador Hazy. Remo's web site only lists one type of ambassador snare side head, not two. Again, look at the part numbers on Remo's web site (click model numbers then snare side). The term "hazy ambassador" refers to the fact that it is a thin 3 mil head, and doesn't really refer to whether the Mylar used on the head is transparent or translucent, crystal clear or slightly foggy. Remo is somewhat sloppy with their terminology in that sense. The Remo link you gave is of the Clear Ambassador product page, and the hazy heads are a subset of clear heads, being as they aren't coated, smooth white, ebony, or any other variant of head.
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Old 04-06-2012, 04:59 AM
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Alright, both my heads have the same part number: SA0114. But one is definitely clear and the other slightly foggy.


Here's what was suggested by another drummer I know, and it seems good enough for me:

Remo has always made the 3-mil ambassador snare side drum heads. And for years they were perfectly clear, but they started to make them hazy for ease of identification (or perhaps they were just more popular). Now that's all they make since there isn't a sonic difference. Still, some clear heads haven't been sold off yet, so every now and than you find one.

This makes sense to me especially considering the serial numbers.

Honestly it doesn't really matter at all. The facts are clear by the serial numbers - Remo only makes one Snare side ambassador which are hazy.

But the OP and I can't be the only ones to have used a Clear Snare side ambassador?

What do yours look like? Crystal clear or kinda foggy?
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Old 04-06-2012, 07:05 AM
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I'd have looked at you funny too. No one can see your snare reso head. The hazy head is a fine reso head, IMHO better than a clear reso.

The GC guy was wrong not to give you what you wanted, but not wrong to take his time doing it.
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I'm 50, so I can be anal sometimes! lol Oh the hazy is a fine head. You are corect, sir!

I was just thinking it may be cool to have both heads transparent is all and was getting frustrated with the guy for arguing. I must be old school because every job I've had I've been taught "the customer is always right".

Pretty soon I'm registering for that Senior Citizen's Discount! Haha!
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Just some dumb kid who didn't know how to handle something like this. Next time, ask to speak with a manager. In a better world, you wouldn't have to do this, but retail and people being what they are, you will often have imperfect situations. If it happens all the time, I'd stay away from a company, but I am willing to cut companies some slack every now and then.
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Old 04-08-2012, 11:51 PM
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I have a Remo Ambassador snare head. The box is labeled: 14", "Hazy" Ambassador, SA-0114-00. The head itself is stamped with: "Ambassador Snare". The head is a clear head, not translucent. In other words, I can see through the head very well. This snare head would compliment a clear batter head.
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Old 04-09-2012, 01:43 AM
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i didn't even know there was a difference between a "hazy" snare side and a "snare side" head.... i thought they were all the same except for some reason you guys here on the forums actually call one "hazy snare side"....
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i didn't even know there was a difference between a "hazy" snare side and a "snare side" head.... i thought they were all the same except for some reason you guys here on the forums actually call one "hazy snare side"....
There actually is no difference. I usually use both definitions to better convey what they are and where they are used, especially to those confused with the selection of drum heads. Both Remo and Evans use the words Hazy as a descriptive term for the snare drums resonant heads. Both Evans and Remo use the terms "snare side" as the main title to their Hazy selection of heads.

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From Remo site:

http://www.remo.com/portal/products/...mbassador.html

"The Clear Ambassador® heads are also available in 3 mil Snare Side Heads for a warm accentuated snare response. Ambassador Snare Side Heads are known as the standard of the industry.


The Hazy Ambassador® heads are medium-weight heads made with a single-ply 3-mil Mylar® film to produce an open, bright, and resonant sound with plenty of attack. Hazy Ambassador® heads accentuate snare drum response and give a classic look to snare drums."

I have been using CLEAR Ambassador snare heads... like forever.
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oh... but they're both 3mil mylar drum heads, that probably have the same hoop, except one looks different? does that REALLY make that much of a difference? i'm still confused as to why this thread was made :/
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Old 04-09-2012, 12:10 PM
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From Remo site:

http://www.remo.com/portal/products/...mbassador.html

"The Clear Ambassador® heads are also available in 3 mil Snare Side Heads for a warm accentuated snare response. Ambassador Snare Side Heads are known as the standard of the industry.


The Hazy Ambassador® heads are medium-weight heads made with a single-ply 3-mil Mylar® film to produce an open, bright, and resonant sound with plenty of attack. Hazy Ambassador® heads accentuate snare drum response and give a classic look to snare drums."

I have been using CLEAR Ambassador snare heads... like forever.
I think you're just trying too hard to read detail out of marketing fluff text on a web page. You are quoting text from the clear ambassador product page. The clear ambassador is a 10 mil head. The clear ambassador also comes in a snare-side variant. The snare-side variant is 3 mil thick and is called a hazy ambassador.

If you're sure that Remo makes two different types of standard drumset snare-side ambassador heads, please post the part numbers. All that we've really figured out in this thread is that Remo has randomly has used both clear and foggy mylar in snare-side ambassador heads at different times.
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Old 04-09-2012, 10:20 PM
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Maybe you're right. I always thought they were two different products. I know Evans uses the word "hazy" on their heads so maybe that caused some confusion.
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I think you're just trying too hard to read detail out of marketing fluff text on a web page. You are quoting text from the clear ambassador product page. The clear ambassador is a 10 mil head. The clear ambassador also comes in a snare-side variant. The snare-side variant is 3 mil thick and is called a hazy ambassador.

If you're sure that Remo makes two different types of standard drumset snare-side ambassador heads, please post the part numbers. All that we've really figured out in this thread is that Remo has randomly has used both clear and foggy mylar in snare-side ambassador heads at different times.

This statement is dead on. The ambassador snare side, whether it's clear or hazy, is still a single ply 3 mil film, equivalent to the evans hazy 300. And the same goes for the diplomat snare side, which is 2 mil, and equivalent to evans hazy 200. But other than the cosmetics of the heads, they all work the same.
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From Evans:

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Evans™ snare side clear 300 heads are the best selling series of Evans™ snare side heads and feature a single ply of 3mil film.

On the drum head is stamped Evans Snare Side Hazy, but still called clear.
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I think you're just trying too hard to read detail out of marketing fluff text on a web page. You are quoting text from the clear ambassador product page. The clear ambassador is a 10 mil head. The clear ambassador also comes in a snare-side variant. The snare-side variant is 3 mil thick and is called a hazy ambassador.

If you're sure that Remo makes two different types of standard drumset snare-side ambassador heads, please post the part numbers. All that we've really figured out in this thread is that Remo has randomly has used both clear and foggy mylar in snare-side ambassador heads at different times.
The SA-0314-TD is a CLEAR Ambassador snare side head. As in crystal clear film.

Edit: should have scrolled own more....others posted the model numbers, sorry. The box say's NO COLLAR. I have 2 sitting on my shelf.
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I've heard a lot about how people that work at guitar center are borderline retarded, but I have honestly never had that kind of experience. The GC closest to me is awesome. All the guys there are very knowledgeable, helpful, and just all around cool guys. Maybe it's one in a million. And no, I don't work for GC lol.
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I've heard a lot about how people that work at guitar center are borderline retarded, but I have honestly never had that kind of experience. The GC closest to me is awesome. All the guys there are very knowledgeable, helpful, and just all around cool guys. Maybe it's one in a million. And no, I don't work for GC lol.
Same, the Guitar Center in Grand Chute, Wisconsin has 2 guys that work in the drum department, and bith a very knowledgeable, and play assorted styles of music (reggae, hand drums, Indie, and Death Metal). But a good piece of advice is go to Guitar Center knowing exactly what you want, and inspect everything the kid behind the counter grabs. If you do this, your trips to GC will always be pleasant.
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My experience with Evans snare side heads. Hazy 200 is just that - not clear. Both of my Hazy 300's were clear.
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Evans Hazy snare side (resonant) heads are clear. I don't know why they're called hazy, maybe they started out as such. I'm not entirely sure about Remo but I think you can get snare resos in clear and hazy.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:59 PM
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Just some dumb kid who didn't know how to handle something like this. Next time, ask to speak with a manager. In a better world, you wouldn't have to do this, but retail and people being what they are, you will often have imperfect situations. If it happens all the time, I'd stay away from a company, but I am willing to cut companies some slack every now and then.
True, in retail chains, it's a bit much to expect the salespeople to be overly-dedicated to customer service, or the products they sell. Sometimes it happens, and it's great when it does, and those are the kind of stores I cheerfully give my business to. But GC has had recurring problems with people who are pretty clueless about the stuff they sell, and that's not a good thing for those of us who know what we want, but may need a little more info.

This is where the independent drum shops and music stores shine, and why so many of us talk about their value. The employees typically include the owner and members of their family, so they are there to stay and building a relationship is easy. Other hired help normally have background in what they sell, so they're more helpful as well. The problem is, shops like that are disappearing due to the economy (and not because they can't compete with the chains and online stores... business has been just as bad for them, too.)

Sure there are exceptions in both kinds of operations, but the service and knowledge in small shops is more prevalent than in the box stores, or with an online customer service rep.

That said, I do business with GC, but on my terms. That is, I go in looking only for something I know they carry, and that I don't need to have any discussion about. It's been a long time since I learned anything new from a person behind the counter there, yet I find myself educating their employees from time to time. Maybe I should start collecting a salary!

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Old 12-06-2012, 12:08 AM
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To my best recollection, there is only one type of standard snare side head, the hazy, in the three weights as mentioned by audiotech. There are some specialty/marching snare side heads, IIRC, but that's not really what we're talking about in this thread.
I believe most companies use the CLEAR SNARE RESO.. from what I remember. Here it is from Remo..


The Clear Ambassador® heads are also available in 3 mil Snare Side Heads for a warm accentuated snare response. Ambassador Snare Side Heads are known as the standard of the industry.


The Hazy Ambassador® heads are medium-weight heads made with a single-ply 3-mil Mylar® film to produce an open, bright, and resonant sound with plenty of attack. Hazy Ambassador® heads accentuate snare drum response and give a classic look to snare drums.
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Welcome to the thread. You quoted Remo's product page for the 10mil thick clear Ambassador drumhead. Remo's traditional naming jargon equates "Diplomat" to "thin", "Ambassador" to "medium", and "Emperor" to "heavy". As your post indicates, Remo refers to their medium-weight snare-side head as the Hazy Ambasador. As anecdotal experience in the thread says, "Hazy" really has nothing to do with whether Remo uses transparent or translucent Mylar, as they apparently alternate at their whim. "Hazy Ambassador" is the phrase Remo uses to distinguish the head used as a snare reso with the head commonly used on drum batters, the Clear Ambassador.

If you believe otherwise, please correct me by posting the Remo part numbers for distinct "hazy" and "clear" 3-mil thick, standard collar, snare-side drum heads.

The head which Karl refers to is part of Remo's marching catalog, not their drum set catalog, is typically a special-order or specialty-retailer item, and has been mentioned in the thread previously.
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:35 AM
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The Clear Ambassador® heads are also available in 3 mil Snare Side Heads for a warm accentuated snare response. Ambassador Snare Side Heads are known as the standard of the industry.


The Hazy Ambassador® heads are medium-weight heads made with a single-ply 3-mil Mylar® film to produce an open, bright, and resonant sound with plenty of attack. Hazy Ambassador® heads accentuate snare drum response and give a classic look to snare drums.


I think these are the models.. All snare side ambassador, 3 mil.

Clear : SA-0314-00

Hazy : SA-0114-00

Marching : SA-0314-TD
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Check this out. I play in my church's p and w band.

I finally give up, realizing I'm taling to a complete dumbshit,

The look I got was a "dear in the headlights", dumbass confused, pale, expressionless, 1 chromosome missing look.

I was having a really good day until I ran into this twerp.
Yes this thread is old and revived today....and a hazy topic...but for a person who goes to church or plays in church band, or anybody, is this not pretty harsh language on a kid who is working minimum wage because its a job? And ya unfortunately some people only got one chromosome missing at the start of life.

Everybody starts somewhere, even all the old farts.

A better drum shop is where you go if you want experts.
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