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Old 02-26-2012, 10:54 PM
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You'll have to call your local store. They are a "promo" item at the moment. The GC guys confirmed they are not on the website for that reason.


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Old 02-26-2012, 11:03 PM
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Just curious, using the Tune Bot, if you wanted to try to find the Note a shell sings at where do you think you would place the TB's mic, inside or outside?

Also, I've watched the John Good video of him Timbre Matching shells and how he just holds a bare shell knocks on it to hear the Note he's going to stamp inside. I've read many a post about how different the Note of a shell will be with all the hardware on so tuning to the stamped Note will not be accurate. I guess I agree with that, I don't know. Would it then make sense to use the TB to find the Note of a shell 'with' all it's hardware on? I tried this but the lug mount rattle too much. A solution is to turn the hoops upside down and screw the lugs down evenly just enough to stop the rattle so the shell is again quiet enough to try to get a reading.

What do you guys think?
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Old 02-27-2012, 01:19 AM
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HI buddy

I play DW's. 96 Keller Green Sparkle gems in fast tom sizes.

I tune the Batter and Reso to the notes stamped inside. No tape, no gel. I let the toms just sing.

8" F# (add on... eBay a few weeks ago. Thanks everyone here for the Blick tip. Easy as pie getting this to a nearly identical match with the Sparkle Bright!)

10" Bb (original)

12" D (original)

14" C (original)

16" G# (add on from eBay a few years ago - finish ply already matched... Traditional depth, 1" deeper... 2002 non-Keller DW shell. This thing thunders, but at G# its barely tight enough to take out the wrinkle!)

20" Kick - Tune to taste. I don't tune this to a specific note.

14 X 5.5 Craviotto Snare from 2001 - Tune to taste. I don't tune this to a specific note.

10 X 5 DW mini side Snare from 2007 - Tune to taste. I don't tune this to a specific note.

Evans Black Rezos, DW Remo Batters on all toms.

Evans G1 on Snare batter with tiny Gel patches, Remo Snare Membrane on rezo

DW Rezo on Kick, Evans EMAD batter

Daz it.

Love this kit. Its my Anti-kit. Played Yamaha Custom Recording through the 80s. Spitting blood and setting myself on fire on the strip throughout the 80's So funny. 2 X 26, black piano laquer, the whole 9. Big Tommy A Kit. Wanted something small and tasty for the last half of my life - so I grabbed this teeny DW. All I needed to do was hit the toms in the shop, and I knew this would be the kit to take me home. To me, tone is everything in a drum. I'm a nut about tuning, and there is a very specific tone that moves me. I get that tone from this kit.

I've played a thousand kits. This is mine. And to me, nothing else sounds like it.

Love this kit. Taken it everywhere. Play it every week - sounds amazing.

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Thanks for the note info! Sounds like you've got a kick ass kit.

The 12" tom gave me the biggest challenge in finding the sweet spot. The tone had to fit in between the 10" and 14" toms. My note stamped inside is a "F", but it really sang at D# on the batter, and E on the reso.
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Old 02-27-2012, 01:28 AM
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Just curious, using the Tune Bot, if you wanted to try to find the Note a shell sings at where do you think you would place the TB's mic, inside or outside?

Also, I've watched the John Good video of him Timbre Matching shells and how he just holds a bare shell knocks on it to hear the Note he's going to stamp inside. I've read many a post about how different the Note of a shell will be with all the hardware on so tuning to the stamped Note will not be accurate. I guess I agree with that, I don't know. Would it then make sense to use the TB to find the Note of a shell 'with' all it's hardware on? I tried this but the lug mount rattle too much. A solution is to turn the hoops upside down and screw the lugs down evenly just enough to stop the rattle so the shell is again quiet enough to try to get a reading.

What do you guys think?
I too read those posts about the note stamped inside the shells. I think I actually started a post asking if we could use those notes to tune. You're right - most felt that the hardware would throw off the note.

For example, my 12" tom is stamped "F". However, that tom really sings at D# (batter) and E (reso). None of my drums are tuned to the notes stamped inside :-(

I want to learn about what audiotech said about finding the sweet spot...
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Old 02-27-2012, 03:04 AM
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An interesting addendum to my thread, I got my toms all tuned the exact way I want them, and my 10" tom rattles the snares unbelievably. The 8 and 12" are the same proximity to the snare, and they don't cause any sort of issue. So, I measured the frequency of the top heads on both the 10" tom (133 Hz) and my 14" Pearl snare (267 Hz). Notice anything peculiar?
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Old 02-27-2012, 03:24 AM
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An interesting addendum to my thread, I got my toms all tuned the exact way I want them, and my 10" tom rattles the snares unbelievably. The 8 and 12" are the same proximity to the snare, and they don't cause any sort of issue. So, I measured the frequency of the top heads on both the 10" tom (133 Hz) and my 14" Pearl snare (267 Hz). Notice anything peculiar?
The 10 inch tom is always a snare buzzer on my kits too. It is the nature of the beast for some reason. I have to back down on the reso a bit to lessen it.
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Old 02-27-2012, 05:41 AM
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An interesting addendum to my thread, I got my toms all tuned the exact way I want them, and my 10" tom rattles the snares unbelievably. The 8 and 12" are the same proximity to the snare, and they don't cause any sort of issue. So, I measured the frequency of the top heads on both the 10" tom (133 Hz) and my 14" Pearl snare (267 Hz). Notice anything peculiar?
Yes, the snare head is almost a perfect second harmonic of your tom's batter head.

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Old 02-27-2012, 06:07 AM
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I too read those posts about the note stamped inside the shells. I think I actually started a post asking if we could use those notes to tune. You're right - most felt that the hardware would throw off the note.

For example, my 12" tom is stamped "F". However, that tom really sings at D# (batter) and E (revo). None of my drums are tuned to the notes stamped inside :-(

I want to learn about what audiotech said about finding the sweet spot...
What I heard was really going on with those stamped notes inside DW shells is, John Good hits the shells with the side of his fists to hear an approximate timbre or note of the shell. My understanding is this helps to organise the shells for use as a complete drum set before the finish and hardware are applied to the shells. After the shells are finished, those notes really don't have much correlation to the basic stripped down shell. John calls it timbre matching and he feels it's important to get the greatest sonic balance as a set of drums. I wouldn't use those stamped figures to aid in the tuning of the drums. The drum's sweet spot is where I would rather have my drums tuning based, not on some number that may or may not be of any significance at this stage of the game. What I did though was I supplied the information of what notes were stamped on my 12 x 8 and 16 x 16 toms when I ordered my 14" x 14" floor tom for my DW Classic kit. Would this have made a difference if I hadn't, I'll never know.



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Old 02-27-2012, 06:16 AM
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Yes, the snare head is almost a perfect second harmonic of your tom's batter head.

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Yes! My thoughts exactly. So, I tuned both the batter and reso head on my snare up a bit, and the rattle is gone. Without the Tune Bot, I wouldn't have been able to figure this out.
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:57 AM
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I was thinking about Timbre Matching. It makes sense that any given drum will resonate best at a given Note and that what Good is looking for when he thumps the shell. That Note is the point at where that particular drum resonates at it's natural best and that's the sweet spot for that drum. Even two shells of the same kind, depth, mass, ect., will have their own particular sweet spot where it resonates best and the Note it produces may be totally different from it's twin. That's why Good is using those Notes to select shells for a perfect kit. makes sense I think, for initially building a kit that is.

But as soon as the hardware is bolted on the mass changes, the resonance changes and so the Note changes too. So you can no longer tune to the 'stamped' Note but instead you have to again find where that same shell, with it's new hardware mass, now resonates best and what the new Note it now produces is. Hopefully each drum in your kit will naturally, with it's hardware on, resonate at a Note that blends with the others drums. Otherwise using the heads aren't you having to force that drum to a Note other than it's best natural Note and hence the drum won't resonate or sound the best that it could otherwise.

So, what is the best way to find a drums Note with it's hardware on so that you can tune the heads to match shell? Is it as 'easy' as just thumping it with a Tune-Bot attached and reading what the new Note is?

But then again, I'm making the assumption, which might be wrong, that it's best to tune your heads to the Note that the shell best resonates at.
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If I were to take a 5a and bang on John Good's head I wonder what timbre it would be :)
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Old 02-28-2012, 05:15 AM
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Sorry, but it's going to be a while. Two of my add on drums for the Ludwig kit came in yesterday...
Hey, you didn't order add on drums sight unseen, did you? What is this world coming to?!!

I'm not too shabby at tuning toms and bass drums, but snare drums are in a class all by themselves. Finding a sweet spot at high tensions is nowhere near as easy or straightforward, IME. Cranking a 3 mil head way up who-knows-how-many octaves above the batter, which itself is tuned higher than any nicely resonating tom head can be a real headache. Not that I can't get it close within just a few minutes, but getting just the right amount of sympathetic vibration between the two heads at just the right pitch happens often only by accident, and even then can be fleeting as the drum works its way out of tune (though sometimes it works its way INTO the sweet spot :-).

I would love to have one of these devices around to capture the batter and reso frequencies when the drum is "in that spot" so I can have it consistently nailed down forever after. That would be worth the price of admission for me. I held out hope that a drum dial could do this, but found that it was nowhere near capable of this.
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Old 02-28-2012, 06:39 AM
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Hey, you didn't order add on drums sight unseen, did you? What is this world coming to?!!
There's nothing wrong with ordering add on drums, especially when you've already heard the same size drums in the shop. "Sky blue pearl" just didn't quite go with my color scheme. ;)

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Old 04-08-2012, 10:41 AM
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yes agree. i love it.
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You're going to love TUNE BOT if you spend $150 on it, that's the nature of merchandising.

I would wait till the competition comes out with a $30 model. The electronics involved are really cheap, this isn't hi-tech stuff.
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If you have an iPhone try this app for 1.99 before you spend 99.00. Just saying.
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You're going to love TUNE BOT if you spend $150 on it, that's the nature of merchandising.

I would wait till the competition comes out with a $30 model. The electronics involved are really cheap, this isn't hi-tech stuff.
Depends on whether anything that the Tunebot does uniquely is protected by patent. Could be 20 years before there is competition.

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If you have an iPhone try this app for 1.99 before you spend 99.00. Just saying.
Have you used a tunebot? A regular chromatic tuner does not do what a Tunebot does when tuning drums. Its application is much more limited owing to its inability to filter the myriad of overtones produced by a drum, particular those created by an out-of-tune drum. Suggesting that someone use a standard chromatic tuner is quite possibly setting them up for a huge disappointment.

Also, for anyone wanting to try using a chromatic tuner app, I'd recommend Cleartune: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/clear...286799607?mt=8
Works very well, has frequency readings in Hz as well as octaves / notes / cents. Knowing whether the tuner is reading a 110Hz A in the 2nd octave vs a 220Hz A is the difference between telling an overtone from a fundamental, makes it much more informative.
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I was at a drum clinic Tuesday night and there was a gentleman there who was the drum tech for The Blue Man Group and he gave a demonstration on the Tune Bot. He had 5 or 6 with him to sell. He showed all of us how to use the Bot and not one tom was in tune while he was showing us. He was not the best person to be demonstrating the Bot and I had hoped that he would be spot on so that I could really see how it worked. So have I tried one, No. But i was as close to one and a drum set as one could be to see how it didn't work. He turned on the filter and it seemed to be better but my ear at this point is better from what I have seen.
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I picked one up at Guitar Center (currently the only place they are available) and this is an AWESOME device! For those who haven't heard about the Tune Bot, check out this link:

http://tune-bot.com/

I'm not a member of the company making them, so don't think that. This lets you measure the frequency of the drum at each specific lug while tuning, as well as the overall pitch of both batter and reso heads. It takes the guessing out of the tuning process.

Since I like to tune my toms at the lowest possible pitch, I clip the tune bot to the rim and keep tightening the lugs in a star pattern gradually until it barely resonates. Then, I observe the frequency noted in Hz and tune each lug to that frequency. Sometimes it is necessary to tune them up a bit to get all of the wrinkles out, but I can evenly tune the heads on both sides to the lowest possible pitch much easier and accurately than before.

Also, tuning the snare was hard for me because I have the reso head tighter than the batter side, and once I have it tuned the way I like it the tune bot will store the frequency in it's memory so the next time I tune I won't have to remember what the specific pitch was. This device can remember frequencies for 9 different drums both batter and reso heads, as well.

Just thought I'd share for anyone who is anal about tuning like me...
If I didn't already have a Drum Dial, then I'd be tempted to try this out. The Drum Dial works good enough for me but there's always something out there that's better.
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I was at a drum clinic Tuesday night and there was a gentleman there who was the drum tech for The Blue Man Group and he gave a demonstration on the Tune Bot. He had 5 or 6 with him to sell. He showed all of us how to use the Bot and not one tom was in tune while he was showing us. He was not the best person to be demonstrating the Bot and I had hoped that he would be spot on so that I could really see how it worked. So have I tried one, No. But i was as close to one and a drum set as one could be to see how it didn't work. He turned on the filter and it seemed to be better but my ear at this point is better from what I have seen.
So I guess its still comes down to either train you ears or cough up $250 for a resotune. Im glad I learned how to tune many years ago, just wish I never fell for all the hype about drum dials and torque keys when they first came out and saved a few bucks.
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I was at a drum clinic Tuesday night and there was a gentleman there who was the drum tech for The Blue Man Group and he gave a demonstration on the Tune Bot. He had 5 or 6 with him to sell. He showed all of us how to use the Bot and not one tom was in tune while he was showing us. He was not the best person to be demonstrating the Bot and I had hoped that he would be spot on so that I could really see how it worked. So have I tried one, No. But i was as close to one and a drum set as one could be to see how it didn't work. He turned on the filter and it seemed to be better but my ear at this point is better from what I have seen.
Guess you just gotta get your hands on it. That's a funny scenario because he seemed more like a salesman, then a drummer. It's much better than my ears and tuning skills so it's golden so far. That filter option works wonders. I'd save the $99 myself if I could tune with my ears.
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I have become interested in this solely because of the length of the thread. From what I have been reading, this thing sounds like an electric knife.
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I have become interested in this solely because of the length of the thread. From what I have been reading, this thing sounds like an electric knife.
Then you can use it to slice bread...

I think the other post in General Discussion has nearly 4,000 views, 113 posts. The word is out.

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I was at a drum clinic Tuesday night and there was a gentleman there who was the drum tech for The Blue Man Group and he gave a demonstration on the Tune Bot. He had 5 or 6 with him to sell. He showed all of us how to use the Bot and not one tom was in tune while he was showing us. He was not the best person to be demonstrating the Bot and I had hoped that he would be spot on so that I could really see how it worked. So have I tried one, No. But i was as close to one and a drum set as one could be to see how it didn't work. He turned on the filter and it seemed to be better but my ear at this point is better from what I have seen.
I think that many people misunderstand how to use the tune bot. I own one and read the manual. It really does work and I find it much easier to use than the drumdial, which I also own. The big advantage of the tunebot over a drum dial are two fold:

1. If the resonant head is different than the batter (clear vs coated) the tunebot will allow you to tune to the same note or an interval of your choosing. The drum dial will only help you get each head in tune with itself.

2. With the tunebot you can easily tune for intervals between your drums.

If you have great ears then a tunebot is not necessary. I don;t have great ears for pitch and using the tunebot has helped me develop my ear as now I know what to listen for.
It's a great ear training tool.

One more thing - If it doesn't work, you are probably not using it correctly, read the manual.

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I have become interested in this solely because of the length of the thread. From what I have been reading, this thing sounds like an electric knife.
Who here has ever carved a turkey? A whole 20 pound bird that's feeding 14 hungry people at your thanksgiving table? An electric carving knife works great. Slices that bird like butter; easier to control and slice evenly since all you have to do is steer, and not muscle. I don't use my electric carving knife often, but I appreciate that I have it when I use it.

Nobody needs an electric knife. Some people do prefer them. Some people are happy enough with a regular knife to not care. Some people are probably downright offended by the idea of an electric knife and lead crusades against them in cutlery discussions... Some of those offended types probably haven't even seen an electric knife in person, let alone used one.

So yes, a tunebot is just like an electric knife.

Personally, I have both the electric knife and the tunebot and am quite happy with both. The tunebot does what it is supposed to. Haven't used it too much, but did use it for a quick retune of my snare from a med/low tuning to a distinctly tighter tuning; it simplified getting to the tuning I wanted on one head, and then getting a nice complementary interval on the other. And when setting up my bass drum with felt strips, the tunebot made it easier to even up the lugs next to the felt where the bearing edge is lumpy and the head not terribly resonant. I've used it more than those two specific instances, but those two stand out as having been especially convenient.

So no, I don't use it all the time, but when I use it I sure am happy to have the tunebot. Your mileage will vary.
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http://www.idrumtune.com/

I plan to try it this weekend and see how close the Drum Dial gets me
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I plan to try it this weekend and see how close the Drum Dial gets me
Kind of looks like a pain to use compared to the tune-bot. Then again, it's 99 dollars cheaper!
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I plan to try it this weekend and see how close the Drum Dial gets me
There is a whole separate thread on that app. People seem to like it. It doesn't have the total functionality or ease of use as the tune-bot, but its hard to beat the price!
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Old 07-13-2012, 06:52 AM
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How many guitarists can tune a guitar without a tuner? 95% perhaps.
How many guitarists can tune a guitar faster and more accurately with a tuner? 99% perhaps.
How many guitarists can tune a guitar to absolute pitch without a reference? 0.001% perhaps.
The Tune-Bot discussion is the same as discussing if a guitar tuner is a good thing.
For most people it is.
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How many guitarists can tune a guitar without a tuner? 95% perhaps.
How many guitarists can tune a guitar faster and more accurately with a tuner? 99% perhaps.
How many guitarists can tune a guitar to absolute pitch without a reference? 0.001% perhaps.
The Tune-Bot discussion is the same as discussing if a guitar tuner is a good thing.
For most people it is.
Very flawed analogy, I'm afraid.

With the drums, it is rare that we are tuning to an absolute pitch. I can tune my guitars without a tuner, absolutely but getting absolute pitch is the difficult part. Tuning the guitar to sympathetic notes is practice and listening. Tuning drums is the same as tuning a guitar sympathetically, it's a case of practicing and listening.

If I were tuning tympani, I would definitely think something that tracks pitch would be helpful but we are not dealing with note pitches when we normally tune drums. Your analogy doesn't hold up.
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Old 07-13-2012, 11:53 AM
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I was thinking about Timbre Matching. It makes sense that any given drum will resonate best at a given Note and that what Good is looking for when he thumps the shell. That Note is the point at where that particular drum resonates at it's natural best and that's the sweet spot for that drum. Even two shells of the same kind, depth, mass, ect., will have their own particular sweet spot where it resonates best and the Note it produces may be totally different from it's twin. That's why Good is using those Notes to select shells for a perfect kit. makes sense I think, for initially building a kit that is.

But as soon as the hardware is bolted on the mass changes, the resonance changes and so the Note changes too. So you can no longer tune to the 'stamped' Note but instead you have to again find where that same shell, with it's new hardware mass, now resonates best and what the new Note it now produces is. Hopefully each drum in your kit will naturally, with it's hardware on, resonate at a Note that blends with the others drums. Otherwise using the heads aren't you having to force that drum to a Note other than it's best natural Note and hence the drum won't resonate or sound the best that it could otherwise.
Absolutely correct. A drum doesn't resonate as components, it resonates as a whole instrument. Everything that's bolted to the drum, or even touching it, contributes to the overall resonance profile, & that even includes the heads themselves. A set of boat anchor lugs doesn't exactly help in that quest for a clean fundamental ;)
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Old 07-13-2012, 12:12 PM
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Very flawed analogy, I'm afraid.

With the drums, it is rare that we are tuning to an absolute pitch. I can tune my guitars without a tuner, absolutely but getting absolute pitch is the difficult part. Tuning the guitar to sympathetic notes is practice and listening. Tuning drums is the same as tuning a guitar sympathetically, it's a case of practicing and listening.

If I were tuning tympani, I would definitely think something that tracks pitch would be helpful but we are not dealing with note pitches when we normally tune drums. Your analogy doesn't hold up.
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I think many drummers have difficulty hearing a clear pitch when tapping the lugs one by one. I am certainly one of them.

The Tune-bot cannot find the sweet spot on its own and we could argue that the quest is more to get each lug in tune rather than to get to something that sounds good. I remember seeing a video with Simon Phillips in the studio were he was detuning 2 lugs. Otherwise I think his approach is to tune batter and resonant to the same pitch.
Once the sweet spot is found however, the Tune-Bot can help us to get back there after a change of skins or to exchange tuning ideas with other drummers.
I would still say it can help many drummers, specially those that are less experienced.
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If this thing does what's advertised, I could see it helping a lot of people with tuning. That's obvious by the amount of interest in it, I believe. It's a tool. Tools can help. Having an ear for tuning is great, but not everyone has one. People struggle. Others don't. But saying something is worthless because you don't struggle with doing what it does is a pretty empty argument, imo.

I can see advantages in it. I get handed some pretty shady rental kits, and often have to work with them in different environments [sweaty holes, outdoor shows, basement clubs, etc.]. To be able to even shave 5 minutes off my soundchecking time, which is already crammed with other guys making noise, if I can have a little help from a machine to find what I'm looking for....seems like a good idea to me. If it can do that, I'm in.
Also, I'd love to be able to dial in my saved sweet spot for every drum on my two totally different sounding/sized/headed kits. If it can do that, I'm in.

I also play bass [and use a TU-2 to save time]. The drummer in my band could really use the Tune Bot, I believe. That way I won't have to tune his drums all the time.

I'm intrigued.
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If this thing does what's advertised, I could see it helping a lot of people with tuning. That's obvious by the amount of interest in it, I believe. It's a tool. Tools can help. Having an ear for tuning is great, but not everyone has one. People struggle. Others don't. But saying something is worthless because you don't struggle with doing what it does is a pretty empty argument, imo.
Not to mention it's condescending and very unhelpful for those trying to learn tuning. It's art form, no one disagrees with that. And as such, there are people who can paint photo-realistic paintings freehand and those who can barely draw a stick figure with a ruler. Most are somewhere in between and some of us need to use tracing paper, templates, etc.

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I can see advantages in it. I get handed some pretty shady rental kits, and often have to work with them in different environments [sweaty holes, outdoor shows, basement clubs, etc.]. To be able to even shave 5 minutes off my soundchecking time, which is already crammed with other guys making noise, if I can have a little help from a machine to find what I'm looking for....seems like a good idea to me. If it can do that, I'm in.
Also, I'd love to be able to dial in my saved sweet spot for every drum on my two totally different sounding/sized/headed kits. If it can do that, I'm in.
Yes, these are some of the advantages of the tune-bot. We all know it's not for turning the drums into a melodic instrument capable of playing chords and scales. Rather, it's a tool to help you know what that sound is that you liked and get you there much faster and more consistently. It's also very helpful in understanding the relationship between the drums, which for some is even harder to get right than tuning an individual drum.

And, here's another important use that even tuning prodigies can use it for: communicating to others how you achieved that great sound. Most tuning tutorials out there are just some person on a video tapping the damn thing saying into the camera, "this is a bad sound" or "see, that's a good sound, you just have to develop an ear for it." Very unhelpful communication, at least for me and how I learn.

For me, I don't just want get a good sound, I want to know why it's good and how to get back there consistently. Or, when I hear a good sound on someone else's kit, I want exact information on it so I can try it out on my kit (which I know, may or may not work on my kit which has different drums).

I'll bet if I took a tune-bot to some of those drums that others tune by ear, I'd find that most of those drummers have pretty whacky tunings going on, and I'll also bet that if I come back in a week I'd get very different readings. That's not to say that there aren't some out there with a very good ear (like my painting analogy above), but I also think there are probably those that are more confident than they ought to be. I've watched plenty of tuning tutorials where the person claimed they got a good sound and it sounded like crap to me (yes, I know it's about personal taste, but I'm talking really crappy here).

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I also play bass [and use a TU-2 to save time]. The drummer in my band could really use the Tune Bot, I believe. That way I won't have to tune his drums all the time.

I'm intrigued.
I used to play acoustic guitar, and I most definitely used an electronic tuner to get the E string (then I could tune the rest of the strings off of that). I don't hear in perfect pitch, and I even struggle a bit with relative pitch.

I have a tune-bot, and I highly recommend it. I'm much quicker and more confident of my drum sound now. And I can tell people who complement that sound exactly why it's good and help other drummers learn to do the same using the language of the tune-bot. It's as much a communication tool as it is a tuning tool.
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Old 07-16-2012, 02:54 AM
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I tried idrumtune today. It seemed to struggle to hear certain lugs no matter where I put it. I detuned a lug one full turn and all the app could pick up was the lower fundamental of the whole head not by each lug - no matter where I put it. Plus it takes a long time to register new hits. I would imagine the mic in the phone is the weak link.

The drum dial is much more effective.
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This has been an interesting read indeed! To say that I am a great tuner is far from reality, however I had gotten better before I had witnessed a demonstration of a TB @ NAMM this year; in a very noisy room I witnessed a gentleman detune a snare and tune it right back up to sound amazing and that was impressive!

Once I found out that this was out on the market I ran down and picked one up...I am thrilled with it. I can tell you it has been a fabulous tool in helping train my ear and put my drums in tune far better than anything I had in the past (slum-dial) and thanks to Ebay did not lose any money when I resold it! LOL.

There are some on here who do not see a need for this tool due to the fact that they have a great ear and can tune well, and others who can tune well, have a great ear, and see the value of the tool. My ear has gotten better even before the TB, but I know it is getting even more tuned in thanks to a great tool like this.

To each his own EH?
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