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Old 02-02-2012, 03:09 PM
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Hi everyone,

Just registered on this forum as I'm having a major problem with my new Mapex Falcons. "Upgraded" to them after using Iron Cobras for years with only a few minor problems. Love the Cobras to bits but wanted to improve my technique a bit and just try something new.

Guy from Devildriver endorses these Falcons and every review I have read (and I've read em all!) have been positive so I'm assuming I've just got a duff set of pedals or I'm doing something wrong.

There is a nut underneath the cam that you use to adjust the angle the cam/footboard and the actual head on it is so damn small that a drum key struggles to get any grip on it so it is easy to loosen up to adjust but really hard and irritating to tighten up. Cobras used an alan key to tighten so they never came loose.

Now when I'm playing (after spending a good 5 - 10 mins furiously turning these nuts but the drum key gets very little grip on them due to the head being smaller than the regular drum nut) they loosen up and the footboard drops to the lowest angle possible and obviously effects my playing and means the footboard keeps smashing off the metalwork on the bottom of the pedals...I've noticed on the screws that are supposed to keep the cam tight to the pedal have 2 washers on them. One which looks like it is split (there are several of these on the pedal) and another normal one. Maybe this is causing it? Any thoughts? I'm taking them back to the shop on Saturday anyway, just wondering if anyone else has this issue.

When they don't loosen up they're perfect, can achieve some really high speeds with them and have a good feel. So annoying though.

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Old 02-02-2012, 03:36 PM
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Me thinks you are doing something wrong. I have two singles. Let me help you. What are you trying to do. If you want to raise and lower the footboard, you loosen the one hex screw on the cam that faces the footboard. If you want to rotate the beater angle you loosen the last hex bolt I just mentioned, we will call it the cam bolt, and the hex bolt on the outside of the pedal on the cam that holds the spring. Lets call that the spring cam bolt. Then you just rotate the beater, and shaft as a complete unit. It sounds like you tried to loosen the allen bolt, at the bottom of the beater assembly. You have to tighten that up with the supplied allen key, if you did indeed loosen this. That should be left alone.
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:47 PM
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Thanks for your help! I don't think I've explained myself very well.

I am trying to raise the angle of the footboard which in turn also adjusts the angle of the cam. I am only loosening the cam bolt. The problem I am having is I can't get them to tighten up properly, it keeps on coming loose whilst playing and the angle of the footboard lowers itself whilst playing because it isn't tight enough.

The drum key isn't getting enough grip on the cam bolt to tighten it because the cam bolt head is smaller in height compared to the bolt heads on the rest of the pedal. Everything else is tightened up just fine!
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:50 PM
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Don't go anywhere. I am taking a pic of my bolts.
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:54 PM
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OK. Here are a couple of pics. All my hex bolts are exactly the same. I could put a torque wrench on these babies! :)


I will bet you the head on your drum key is too large. Are you using the Mapex one that came with the pedal?
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:06 PM
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Thanks for the pics man, this is pretty weird! The bolt heads on my cam are a lot shorter on mine so the drum key doesn't fully slot onto them...will take some pics when I get in later and upload them. Maybe I've been given a duff pair of bolts?!

Are there any washers on your bolts? I have one normal circle washer and another one on top of that which looks like it's split?!

And yes I am using the key that came with the pedal!

Last edited by arcitemetal; 02-02-2012 at 04:07 PM. Reason: didn't see the last part at the bottom
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:11 PM
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Thanks for the pics man, this is pretty weird! The bolt heads on my cam are a lot shorter on mine so the drum key doesn't fully slot onto them...will take some pics when I get in later and upload them. Maybe I've been given a duff pair of bolts?!

Are there any washers on your bolts? I have one normal circle washer and another one on top of that which looks like it's split?!
Yes there is a smooth washer for rotation when tightening, and a split lock washer, to keep it put. Are you using the supplied key. There is no way that my pedal cam will rotate after I tighten that hex bolt. Just make sure that your key will go inside the recessed hole for the bolt. If not, then the bolt continues to disappear but you loose the head for tightening purposes.
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:13 PM
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Some drum keys have thicker shoulders on the tightening head. I would almost put money on the fact that you are using a key that does not fit into this recessed area, which is why you are running out of hex bolt head to grab.
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:16 PM
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Well I'm using the supplied key that came with the pedal and it tightens every other bolt on the pedal and the rest of my kit just fine...I'll try using some other keys later and if still no joy then I'll take it back. It's annoying because there are some nasty dents on the base of my pedal now where the bottom on the pedal has hit it when it has come loose. Typical!
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:17 PM
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Sticks has already explained the 'split' washers. But I know what your talking about with the smaller nut, this must be on the double pedal only! but I don't find it to be an issue, use the drum key that comes with the pedals, and push the beater forward so that the nut is more exposed, make sure its slotted on properly and it should be fine! mine don't budge at all, but I did find it weird that they are smaller!

Hope this helps!

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Old 02-02-2012, 04:18 PM
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Well I'm using the supplied key that came with the pedal and it tightens every other bolt on the pedal and the rest of my kit just fine...I'll try using some other keys later and if still no joy then I'll take it back. It's annoying because there are some nasty dents on the base of my pedal now where the bottom on the pedal has hit it when it has come loose. Typical!
When you get home, take a good look and compare it to my pics. If it differs, put some pics up of yours. We will work this out. I am always around. :) The worst it could be is just putting in the proper hex bolt. Very easy fix.
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:20 PM
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Sticks has already explained the 'split' washers. But I know what your talking about with the smaller nut, this must be on the double pedal only! but I don't find it to be an issue, use the drum key that comes with the pedals, and push the beater forward so that the nut is more exposed, make sure its slotted on properly and it should be fine! mine don't budge at all, but I did find it weird that they are smaller!

Hope this helps!

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Sorry! Did not realize you were talking about Double pedals. You never said. :) Thanks Table for jumping in. :)
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:31 PM
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Haha yeah my bad, it's the double pedal version. Really weird that they are smaller bolts, I do like to slam on my pedals when playing the slower stuff but they shouldn't loosen up like they do. Wish I had room for two kick drums!

TM, do you find you get a good grip on the bolt with the key when turning? Mine just seems to slip around, it probably is the key.
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:26 PM
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If the bolt is on the right angle, I do get a good grip yes. I'd say try a different key or make sure you havent rounded it off! and if you have you might have to find a spare or steal one from an old pedal :P

I hope you manage to sort it, they are really great pedals :)

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Old 02-02-2012, 06:32 PM
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Hey Table. Can you take a pic of the cam and bolt for me. I would love to see it up close, so I can see why he is having trouble. Tried to find a good pic on line, but couldn't.
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:42 PM
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This whole thread really puzzled me, I'm intrigued and curious of the outcome as I didn't have a single problem with the falcon, and I tried every possible options, and more than once...
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:44 PM
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Hey Table. Can you take a pic of the cam and bolt for me. I would love to see it up close, so I can see why he is having trouble. Tried to find a good pic on line, but couldn't.
I'm not around my kit at the moment, and won't be until saturday (Sad Face)

But I do have a picture where you can make it out:



1- shows the normal size nut at the top and 2- shows the smaller size nut, it literally is half the length of the top nut, and the base is slightly rounded so its hard to get the key on unless you move it so its facing at 90 degrees to the floor. If that makes any sense at all!

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Old 02-02-2012, 06:45 PM
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This whole thread really puzzled me, I'm intrigued and curious of the outcome as I didn't have a single problem with the falcon, and I tried every possible options, and more than once...
I didn't have a problem with the pedals at all! but it is a bit weird that the nut is smaller

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Old 02-02-2012, 06:46 PM
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I'm not around my kit at the moment, and won't be until saturday (Sad Face)

But I do have a picture where you can make it out:



1- shows the normal size nut at the top and 2- shows the smaller size nut, it literally is half the length of the top nut, and the base is slightly rounded so its hard to get the key on unless you move it so its facing at 90 degrees to the floor. If that makes any sense at all!

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Did you draw that picture! LOL :)
Have you upgraded your phone lately? :)
I kind of get the idea. Is the head of Bolt 1, the same size as bolt 2, just recessed?
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:13 PM
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Did you draw that picture! LOL :)
Have you upgraded your phone lately? :)
I kind of get the idea. Is the head of Bolt 1, the same size as bolt 2, just recessed?
Haha! Yeah yeah... It's an iPhone 4 and I had to zoom right in and cut that segment out so it wasn't massive, and! I had my fisheye lens on aswell! :P

No the top of the bolt is half the length, it's not recessed, but you know how on your pedals the top bolt isn't square to the lip? Instead of being an L shape its rounded? The smaller one is the same so you can't push the key all the way down to the base it gets stuck on the rounded part

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Old 02-02-2012, 07:23 PM
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Haha! Yeah yeah... It's an iPhone 4 and I had to zoom right in and cut that segment out so it wasn't massive, and! I had my fisheye lens on aswell! :P

No the top of the bolt is half the length, it's not recessed, but you know how on your pedals the top bolt isn't square to the lip? Instead of being an L shape its rounded? The smaller one is the same so you can't push the key all the way down to the base it gets stuck on the rounded part

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Just bugging you. In this day and age, everyone should be able to have a clear pic! :)
I have an iPhone 4s, and it takes a pretty good picture and hi-def video. I also just recently bought the 3 pac lens for it. Now I want a small tripod and bass for my phone to mate the two. I am just dying to put up some more of my playing so people can tear it apart again! :)

It sounds like you are saying that the bolt is a bit of a problem. Is it a design issue, or a user issue? I should bring it up to someone, if it is a design issue. This is the first time I have heard of anyone having problems with it though.
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:30 PM
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I've just had a look on my pedal, bolt 2 is nearly half the size of bolt 1 on my pedal, however, I have no problem to tighten or untighten it, using the Mapex key or a Tama key.

BTW, to adjust the footboard, you only need to undo bolt 2 to rotate the whole assembly to raise or lower the footboard. :)
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:36 PM
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Just bugging you. In this day and age, everyone should be able to have a clear pic! :)
I have an iPhone 4s, and it takes a pretty good picture and hi-def video. I also just recently bought the 3 pac lens for it. Now I want a small tripod and bass for my phone to mate the two. I am just dying to put up some more of my playing so people can tear it apart again! :)

It sounds like you are saying that the bolt is a bit of a problem. Is it a design issue, or a user issue? I should bring it up to someone, if it is a design issue. This is the first time I have heard of anyone having problems with it though.
Haha the origional picture is very clear! thats zoomed right in! :P

I wouldn't say its a problem at all, but it'd be nice to know why it is half the size.

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Old 02-02-2012, 09:43 PM
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Ok fellas you have the right to point and laugh at me.

Tried it with my Tama Hammer and a really cheap 1 drum key and now it has tightened really well and I can slam on it as much as I want.

It was the Mapex drum key that gripped every other bolt apart from the smaller ones! All this hassle caused by a duff Mapex drum key hahaha. I might email them and kick off like because it has pissed me right off and also caused a dent in my pedal :(

MAJOR DRUM FAIL!

I am laughing at myself right now though haha, thanks for all your help and advice.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:45 PM
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DAH!!!! Glad you figured it out. :)
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Good to hear, now enjoy your pedals, the Falcon is a super pedal of the highest quality, the best 200 euros I spend on hardware the last 20 years :))
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Old 02-02-2012, 10:09 PM
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I can't wait to actually play it without worrying that it's going to fall apart! I'm using the rolling cam with 20g weights in each beater with plastic coating. Tried the pursuit cam but they're really difficult to play with!
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Old 02-02-2012, 10:16 PM
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I'm using the rolling cam with 20g weights in each beater with plastic coating. Tried the pursuit cam but they're really difficult to play with!
Ditto for me, but I use the strap instead of the chains for a more direct feel :)
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:11 AM
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The 'stubby' nut!

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I would replace or switch the stubby nut with the one to the far left where you can get to it.
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:10 AM
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I am surprised they went with a stubby head when my singles have the regular heads. I like Grunts idea, as long as it is the same size thread. You could also use the bolt from the memory lock on the beater. It doesn't have any stress on it.
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Old 02-14-2012, 12:37 AM
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Was reading through this. I had a similar problem with my single pedal. I have a Mapex kit so I was using the key that came with the kit which always slipped off. I used the key supplied with pedal and no problem. I'm an electrician by trade and I use screwdrivers and wrenches all day and using the drumset key was like poking myself in the eye. The screw head is kind of kind at the bottom and the drum key supplied takes this little roundness in. Just seems kind of funny. Not as funny as those cheap pedals that use Phillips screws and such. Or what about our friends from Germany still offering slot screw tension rods.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:48 PM
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Im thinking of buying these pedals. Are they as good as they seem? Does anyone know the price of the dd upgrade for them. Im in canada by the way.
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Old 03-27-2012, 04:52 PM
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Its a nice pedal. Well built, smooth, adjustable. Its as good as anything from Tama or DW. The way it feels reminds me of an Iron Cobra actually. Whether you like it or not, who knows. I've tried to replace my old Flying Dragons with a 9000, IC, Speed Cobra, and Falcon, but I'm so used to the Yamahas, everything else just feels weird.
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Old 03-27-2012, 06:40 PM
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Im thinking of buying these pedals. Are they as good as they seem? Does anyone know the price of the dd upgrade for them. Im in canada by the way.
They are very good pedals, I literally received the Direct Drive kit for mine today, and they are smooth, fast but heavier than the straps, but pack a lot of power :)

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Hi, a few months ago i got the mapex falcon single pedal (have direct drive and chain)
and i'm allreddy at my third beater, keep bending the beater stick, my old pedal (cheap ass mapex) did not do that :/ please help and advice

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