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Old 01-27-2012, 11:01 PM
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Default Pedals are too stiff

I got a pair of Tama Iron Cobras a little less than a month ago and no matter what I do to the spring tension and beater angle they are on the stiff side, especially the slave pedal. What can I do to fix this?

BTW these aren't the new one's. These are an older pair. I believe the model number is HP900P
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:22 PM
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Default Re: Pedals are too stiff

What exactly do you mean by stiff? Heavy/sluggish feel? Difficult to execute quick patterns?
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Old 01-28-2012, 12:17 AM
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I would say not really a heavy feel, but yes sluggish, but they aren't loose and wobbly. The U joints were squeaky when I got em so I put a little oil on them and that stopped that so it cant be the u joints.

Basically I cant play near as fast as I could with my other pedal (a gibraltar avenger 2.)
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Old 01-28-2012, 03:42 AM
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get WD40, clean everything with a tooth brush, then after you're done with WD40 make sure you dry it off, then re-lube with either sewing machine oil or the tama oil.
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Old 01-28-2012, 04:23 AM
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I've though about taking the thing apart and relubing the thing but I'm affraid I'll completly mess it up and be out $185.
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Old 01-28-2012, 04:32 AM
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Default Re: Pedals are too stiff

They probably don't need a rebuild.
Pedals only need new bearings if there is "play" or looseness in them.
Cleaning and lubricating should do the trick.
Make sure that heavy springs weren't installed by the previous owner.
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Old 01-28-2012, 02:19 PM
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Yes, but how do I lube the things with out taking it apart?
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Old 01-28-2012, 02:58 PM
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just apply it to the bearings, and use gravity to make it fall through
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Old 01-28-2012, 03:08 PM
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Yes, but how do I lube the things with out taking it apart?
Taking appart your pedal and cleaning it thoroughly is a good approach to re-gain the original smoothness of the pedal, it's often neglected by drummers, but it can restore a pedal to it's original condition, and it's certainly cheaper than buying a new one.

The whole operation takes about an hour to do.

Stage 1

Use the tools to take your pedal appart (picture 1), these tools should be OK, however do not force on screws and bolts to the point of breaking them.

Stage 2

You lay down all items on the floor, make sure you don't loose any parts (picture 2), and select the parts (picture 3) you want to bath in a bucket with some de-greasing agent (picture 4) you can brush the parts with an old toothbrush, but do not leave the parts too long in the bucket, the pedal frame and footplate can be cleaned by hand using a de-greasing agent.

Ensure that all parts are thoroughly rinsed and dried, then lubricate the parts that need it, and rebuild the pedal, it should be a simple reverse order, take care to adjust the chain and the cam in a paralell manner to the footboard, it's essential for smooth playing, voilą, a brand new pedal, the picture shows a Tama Camco as many pedals on the market are just a variation of it's design, it will work on the Iron Cobras.

Hope this helps.
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Old 01-28-2012, 05:18 PM
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just apply it to the bearings, and use gravity to make it fall through
This.

Oiling the bearings doesn't require dis-assembly. But, bearings aren't normally oiled, but greased...and that would require dis-assembly. It's up to you on which one you want to do, really.
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Old 01-28-2012, 06:14 PM
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I may take the bearings out and regrease them. I have some grease with PTFE (it's for my other hobby) I can use. I'll work on it after lunch.
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Old 01-29-2012, 01:58 AM
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you don't really need to grease them... seriously just try cleaning out the gunk with wd40 and a tooth brush, then put some of this on it
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Old 01-29-2012, 03:25 AM
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you don't really need to grease them... seriously just try cleaning out the gunk with wd40 and a tooth brush, then put some of this on it
I agree. Pedals very seldom have to come apart.
A simple lube job will probably do the trick.
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Old 01-29-2012, 03:18 PM
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If it's the slave pedal in particular, I'd clean it with WD40 as others have said and lubricate it. If it still feels sticky, use some spray PTFE grease- you can get it from motorbike shops, spray the bearings and then disconnect the chain so the spindle can turn freely and use an electric drill and if necessary a sticky pad to spin the spindle for a couple of minutes. If the drill reverses, then do it in the other direction for a couple of minutes too and you'll be amazed at the difference.

I do this to all of my pedals when I first get them and then probably once a year as maintenance.
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Old 02-05-2012, 02:03 AM
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Default Re: Pedals are too stiff

I finally got around to it and took the pedal apart, cleaned off the bearings and spacers, re lubed and put it back together and it is a LOT smoother now. But I did find that the slave pedal is missing the spacers on the heal plate pivot.
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