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Old 01-06-2012, 01:08 AM
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Default Direct Drive or Chain Drive

I am sure there's a thread on this but let's get into it anyway. I have been playing a single chain DW 5000 double for fifteen plus years. It has held up very well but lately it starting to feel sluggish - even with new springs. I jar played the newer double chain drives and have demoed some direct drives. I definitely like the smooth quick feel of directs but as I am not a speed demon or metal player I worry they may ultimately prove one dimensional. I would love to hear from people who have switched either way and what your experience has been with directs and chains. Particularly from those who don't play speed metal. Thanks.
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Old 01-06-2012, 01:19 AM
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i use my pedal for funk, jazz, pop, rock, afro cuban/latin(s), dance, death/metal/core
i would never in my life use another chain pedal

one question (no joke, i'm interested) just how do you think a pedal is going to make you one dimensional? either i'm missing a couple of chromosomes or that just doesn't make any sense
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Old 01-06-2012, 01:28 AM
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Interesting post. I've always wondered what the pros and cons were of: Direct Drives vs Chain Drives?

I've gone from the DW9000 to a direct drive pedal, and am very pleased.

Anyone care to suggest?
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Old 01-06-2012, 01:45 AM
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I own both direct and chain drive versions of the same pedal. Direct drive feels lighter under your foot and has a bit more rebound, even at low spring tension.The difference isnt nearly as night and day as people make it out to be, I can switch back and forth without any issues. Chains feel more solid under my foot and hits harder. I like the chains more. Feels more natural. For quick doubles and stuff, the DD is great, but I feel its more of a finesse thing. I like to lay into my pedals a bit, and the chains feel more solid.
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Old 01-06-2012, 04:32 AM
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i use my pedal for funk, jazz, pop, rock, afro cuban/latin(s), dance, death/metal/core
i would never in my life use another chain pedal

one question (no joke, i'm interested) just how do you think a pedal is going to make you one dimensional? either i'm missing a couple of chromosomes or that just doesn't make any sense
I didn't mean to suggest it would make my playing one dimensional - rather from the reviews I've read (which is a lot) the primary purpose behind the direct drive design seems to be speed. While I am definitely interested in more speed, I am concerned about how direct drive performs in other situations. Having never spent any significant amount of time with one I would just like some honest input from those who have put the time in with direct drives. For instance, how is the control and power factor in more mid tempo pop applications.
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Old 01-06-2012, 05:09 AM
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Feel mate....feel. That is the primary difference between a DD and a chain or strap driven pedal. DD's tend to be lighter and more immediately responsive. Now, that doesn't make them "better".....it makes them "different"......for better or worse is purely up to the guy playing them.

I switched to DD's about a year or so ago. It was a tough road initially as I found that any little inconsistencies with my foot seemed to be transferred directly to the drum head. Little foot waivers or flutters resulted in the beater striking the head due to the light and responsive nature of the pedals. Truth be known, I'm still getting used to them and much like yourself I don't need to blast at 6,000bpm either. But at the end of the day, they are definitely a piece of kit that it's essential you make your own mind up on because the opinions of others are simply not gonna cut it with respect to how they "feel" to you. :-)
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Old 01-06-2012, 06:50 AM
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i bought it because it wouldn't break
it's not about speed, like pocket says direct drive can be very unforgiving, if you have bad habits i doubt it will make things easier, probably the reverse

however if your foot technique is solid then it can make playing very efficient, that is the only thing i care about
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Old 01-06-2012, 12:16 PM
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Personally if I had to choose between them, I'd prefer a direct drive. I won't have a chain on anything if I can help it.

I'll be in the market for one later this year so I'll keep watching these threads carefully.
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Old 01-06-2012, 02:42 PM
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i bought it because it wouldn't break
it's not about speed, like pocket says direct drive can be very unforgiving, if you have bad habits i doubt it will make things easier, probably the reverse

however if your foot technique is solid then it can make playing very efficient, that is the only thing i care about
But shouldn't all drummers strive for great foot technique? Perhaps it would be best to start using direct drives right away so that we find our weaknesses.
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Old 01-06-2012, 05:32 PM
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I switched from chain drive to direct drive about 6 months ago, it's such a different way of playing.
The sensitivity, that immediate response and of course it's very unforgiving about your technique.
I had no idea how many bad habits I've accumulated over the years and I'm still trying to get rid of all of them.
My technique now is much cleaner and I find it easier to play just about everything so, I'm very happy I made the transition. I only wish I have made it sooner.

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Old 01-06-2012, 06:04 PM
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But shouldn't all drummers strive for great foot technique? Perhaps it would be best to start using direct drives right away so that we find our weaknesses.
That would make sense. Most of us are not going to fix anything if it ain't broke - and you won't find any weaknesses until you try something else.

I would have went ahead and picked up a DW9000 DOUBLE pedal, since I started with their single pedal. I mean, I was getting great results, and building my skills nicely on it.
When I could no longer get the speed from a single pedal, I acquired a different brand of double pedal. Which was of course, a long board WITH DIRECT DRIVE.

MAN! Talk about an unforgiving, honest piece of equipment. You will hear anything that is not right. It's been about a few months, and it is so smooth and very responsive.
Pocket-full-of-gold 's post makes me feel much better, as it too has been a learning curve for myself.

With the chain drive, their was some play and flexibility. For example, I can do an 8th note triplet @ 136 bpm throughout a song (U2's Beautiful Day) with the chain drive. It's been a challenge getting a triplet that slow on the DD (using Heel-toe). But that's been the only challenge with it...
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Old 01-08-2012, 06:17 AM
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I didn't have any trouble moving from my iron cobras to the demon drives. Overall I don't think it's a huge difference but I notice it's more responsive because there's a direct relationship between the beater and footboard, and that's the ideal isn't it? Your drum sticks have a direct relationship with your hands.

The footboard seems to lift more as the beater recoils from a hit, and that's a good thing because you're better prepared for the next hit.

I can play fast but I'm more into playing patterns involving quick bursts of speed and mixed note values.. I've just switched my demon drives from long boards to short boards because I realized short boards are better if you're not just playing flat strap speed metal. They require a little more effort but in return you get more power + volume.

I only mention this because alot of the direct drive pedals out there are long boards, so be wary you know what you're getting yourself into with those.
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Old 01-08-2012, 06:33 AM
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But shouldn't all drummers strive for great foot technique? Perhaps it would be best to start using direct drives right away so that we find our weaknesses.
no? some people just wanna jam a few tunes
who am i to tell people wat they should or shouldn't do

some people like manual cars, and some would rather drive automatic
i don't go around telling automatic drivers that they should drive manual though lol

anyway... responsiveness depends on spring tension too, my pro-1vs are as tight as i can possibly get them
mainly so i can watch my mate try to play double bass and laugh with/at him
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Old 01-27-2012, 06:37 PM
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Hello people! There is a company that give the solution to the problem of having a chain drive and need to pass to direct drive...
www.stompdrive.com
I'm waiting for the DW 5000 version! I think it's a good idea. They sell the TAMA IC's and SC's, pearl eliminator's and Mapex Falcon's version...
Have you tried them?
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Old 01-28-2012, 12:31 AM
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I've played them all, chain, strap, direct... back to single chain (for) now.

Direct drive transfers the most vibration/impact shock, that's why they're perceived as not feeling as solid, whereas a chain doesn't transfer as much shock and feels more solid.
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Old 01-28-2012, 12:47 AM
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I've played them all, chain, strap, direct... back to single chain (for) now.

Direct drive transfers the most vibration/impact shock, that's why they're perceived as not feeling as solid, whereas a chain doesn't transfer as much shock and feels more solid.
What's your opinion on strap? I've played 30 years with chain driven pedals, and lately (4 months) I switched to strap, I feel a more direct sensation with more accuracy within the strokes, I bought a Mapex Falcon, so I'll have the options of chain, strap or even direct drive, but for now the strap suits me fine, for now. :)
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Old 01-28-2012, 12:53 AM
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I have posted this in a few other threads but I feel that I could stand to mention it again here.

Up until recently I had been using an Axis short-board single pedal. I don't play anything in the metal vein. I would describe my band's style as Ragtime/Jazz/Blues/Punk so I lead quite a bit with my right foot.

Anyway, I got that Axis dialed in pretty good but it still never felt just right to me. Like I couldn't execute on the pedal what I wanted to play. About a month ago I swapped out the Axis for my Tama HP30 that a friend had lent me and never ask for again. I found the Tama to be more responsive and delivered more power.

Naturally YMMV but I just really like the feel of that Tama with its single chain drive. I'll have to try out a nicer chain pedal to compare from what I've tried already I prefer the single chain.

I'd also like to try a strap drive to see how it feels.
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Old 01-28-2012, 01:19 AM
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A strap is basically a direct drive that's a little flexible.

A chain transfers the least amount of shock.

If you look at a chain, there's a lot of independent pieces connected together i.e. all the parts that make up the links. As a result there's micro spaces between each of these parts usually filled in by lube and dirt. The mechanical vibration has to travel through these spaces and that's the chains shock absorbing quality.

Direct drive there's only a couple of contact points, a strap the same only strap not as rigid and so will have a softer feel.

To me a single chain feels more powerful, maybe having to do with the pull/contact area is concentrated dead center of the pedal, whereas a double chain can spread the pulling load unevenly between the two chains. Double chains also add that extra weight.

If one were to do a tension failure test on a single chain, double chain and a strap, they'd find out the force needed to break any of them will far exceed the force any will ever encounter on a pedal.

So a double chain adding some extra assurance of strength is just silly, there's simply no need for a double chain strength wise. Its just a play on mental conditioning, not based on fact.
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Old 01-28-2012, 01:36 AM
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A strap is basically a direct drive that's a little flexible...

Direct drive there's only a couple of contact points, a strap the same only strap not as rigid and so will have a softer feel...

The mechanical vibration has to travel through these spaces and that's the chains shock absorbing quality...
Thanks Les, so my initial sensation of the strap feeling more direct was correct, I dig your comment regarding the vibrations transmitted with direct drive or strap, upon testing the different driving mode and differents cams, etc. I noticed that I felt more vibration with the strap than the double chains, but further adjustement of footboar/beater/spring has reduced this sentation of vibration.

Since I'm using the strap, I also noticed that I've increased the spring tension, is that due to the fact that there's less friction on the cam than a chain?
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Old 01-28-2012, 06:27 AM
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I love the pedals that have strap drives. I'm using a Yamaha convertible, strap/chain drive, I believe it's the 9315. I tried it with both drives but settled quickly on the belt. I also tried the Tama Iron Cobra with the strap and found it comparable to the Yamaha. I tried the DW 5000 version at my local drum shop, but it seemed as if the heel plate was a bit too high for comfort.

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Old 01-28-2012, 09:11 PM
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One of the reasons I've put some distance between my AXIS LONGBOARDS lately is b/c of the bump/rise in the heel plate design.

My skank old PEARL P1000 has a tapered heel plate, and in its own funky way has now led me to playing a single-chain PEARL 902 double... this as my $1000 worth of custom AXIS aluminum sits. All the pedals in my past that have worked for me have had a tapered heel plate design.

CAMCO pretty tapered, IC has a bump, never liked it etc. etc.

I could go to the extreme and check out the DW HEEL-LESS, I might love it.
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I've played chain, direct and strap and noticed no difference between them. I have gone over to straps now just because I don't like getting oil and dirt on my hands when I set up and take down, which is what happens with chain drives.
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Okay guys, can I ask What is the difference between single and double chains? Just the added reassurance that you have two chains connected to the footboard rather than one?
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Okay guys, can I ask What is the difference between single and double chains? Just the added reassurance that you have two chains connected to the footboard rather than one?
Look at Les Ismore's post on entry # 18, fifth paragraph, there's you answer RD :)
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Old 02-09-2012, 12:31 AM
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Look at Les Ismore's post on entry # 18, fifth paragraph, there's you answer RD :)
Thats the only difference? How come 'cobras only come with double chains, and cost a lot more than say, pearl p902's?
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:24 PM
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In what category would you put the original "rock of ages" Ludwig Speed King pedal? It has no chain or strap and it pushes down on the dual internal springs (with ball bearings) instead of pulling up on a spring. I do think the quality can be improved, but its performance is incredible. Plus the heel plate is convertible. I personally believe it is the best for light action but I believe John Bonham used one and if that doesn't say heavy rock, I don't know what does.
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Old 02-18-2012, 11:04 PM
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Thats the only difference? How come 'cobras only come with double chains, and cost a lot more than say, pearl p902's?



IC is more adjustable than P902

IC Jr is single chain and more comparable to P902

All the best feeling chain drive pedals are single chain IMO w/weight factoring heavily into the feel.

My preference: Double chain for an engine cam, single chain on a bass pedal.

Double chains are used where strength is needed. Chains are wicked strong, you don't need 2 on a bass drum pedal, they're play'n with your head (or really- playing your head/conditioning) marketing pedals that way.

When has anyone ever snapped a single chain on a bass drum pedal????
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Old 02-19-2012, 12:35 AM
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Thats the only difference? How come 'cobras only come with double chains, and cost a lot more than say, pearl p902's?



IC is more adjustable than P902

IC Jr is single chain and more comparable to P902

All the best feeling chain drive pedals are single chain IMO w/weight factoring heavily into the feel.

My preference: Double chain for an engine cam, single chain on a bass pedal.

Double chains are used where strength is needed. Chains are wicked strong, you don't need 2 on a bass drum pedal, they're play'n with your head (or really- playing your head/conditioning) marketing pedals that way.

When has anyone ever snapped a single chain on a bass drum pedal????
Good point. Bikes are single-chained. So really with the correct springs and settings, a P902 could be as fast as say a IC?
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:45 AM
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'Fast' is the player

'Light' is the pedal

The lighter the pedal, the faster you can go w/o as much resistance and so theoretically for a longer time.
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When has anyone ever snapped a single chain on a bass drum pedal????
I'm in charge of sound and media at a church and somehow one of the drummers there snapped the chain on the DOUBLE chain DW 5000 pedal we have there.
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I am sure there's a thread on this but let's get into it anyway. I have been playing a single chain DW 5000 double for fifteen plus years. It has held up very well but lately it starting to feel sluggish - even with new springs. I jar played the newer double chain drives and have demoed some direct drives. I definitely like the smooth quick feel of directs but as I am not a speed demon or metal player I worry they may ultimately prove one dimensional. I would love to hear from people who have switched either way and what your experience has been with directs and chains. Particularly from those who don't play speed metal. Thanks.
I love my Mapex Raptor DD. I was looking at AXis, but they were really expensive. The Mapex comes with a case as well.

They are way better than the yamaha or gibraltor cheaper direct drives, in my opinion.

It is all about feel. I don't play as fast as say "FRost" from Satyricon but it helps me to have a pedal that FEELS very smooth, no hiccups.
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I'm kind of on the fence about this, myself. I was really impressed by the Yamaha 9500D when I checked it out during NAMM. They've come a LONG way and the feel was solid with great attack. Smooth. I realize that so much is personal preference, of course.

The question is now about the direct drive or chain as the model. I only play single-pedal, but use the speed for some things. It's a double chain on the C, but I did like the D a lot.

Has anyone tried both models of this particular pedal? Again, as it is preference, what did you notice as the difference(s)?

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I'm kind of on the fence about this, myself. I was really impressed by the Yamaha 9500D when I checked it out during NAMM. They've come a LONG way and the feel was solid with great attack. Smooth. I realize that so much is personal preference, of course.

The question is now about the direct drive or chain as the model. I only play single-pedal, but use the speed for some things. It's a double chain on the C, but I did like the D a lot.

Has anyone tried both models of this particular pedal? Again, as it is preference, what did you notice as the difference(s)?

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I'm in charge of sound and media at a church and somehow one of the drummers there snapped the chain on the DOUBLE chain DW 5000 pedal we have there.
Would like to see that. Can you post a pic?
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Ok, so I started this post way back when. About one month ago I picked up a DD Gibraltar double pedal. And after weeks of playing and adjusting it is now on eBay. It is a solid, well built pedal, but the feel just does not compare to my Pearl Eliminator 2000c chain drive. It was definitely fast, but I didn't get the same organic feel I have with a chain. That is just my opinion of course. I will say I am glad I gave it a try. That's my two cents.
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:13 PM
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Ok, so I started this post way back when. About one month ago I picked up a DD Gibraltar double pedal. And after weeks of playing and adjusting it is now on eBay. It is a solid, well built pedal, but the feel just does not compare to my Pearl Eliminator 2000c chain drive. It was definitely fast, but I didn't get the same organic feel I have with a chain. That is just my opinion of course. I will say I am glad I gave it a try. That's my two cents.

And that kids sums up the nature of the drum gear game. You just gotta try it all, and there's so much crap to try these days.

We're no different than other musicians i.e. guitar players, who need to find the right strings, pick-ups, strap, electronics etc. etc.

The only difference is drum gear is 'way more' expensive and we have sooo much more of it to deal with, its our biggest limiting factor.
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Default Re: Direct Drive or Chain Drive

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I'm in charge of sound and media at a church and somehow one of the drummers there snapped the chain on the DOUBLE chain DW 5000 pedal we have there.
I never snapped a double chain but have broke some single chain and some strap drives over the years. I have since switched to a Dixon double chain drive and have not done any damage to it in over 10 years, but I had also switched to single ply heads on the bass and toms and also switched to 5b sticks instead of double butt ended ones at about the same time and found I dont need to hit as hard to get the attack and tone that I use to have to beat out of them before. Needless to say I dont damage much stuff anymore and only replace sticks and heads as they wear out instead of breaking them.
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