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Old 12-07-2011, 12:32 AM
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Any preferences for either Eames Drums or Yamaha's RCs for a birch kit? The Eames "NaturalTone" shells (bit thicker than traditional 6-ply shells) seem to sound great and are highly thought of by most Eames users, but, of course, the RCs are one of the time-tested birch kits on the market.

Any pros or cons regarding these kits? The use would be for standard rock, fusion, r&b playing in a typical 20/14/12/10 kind of setup.

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P.S. I've also looked at the newer DrumCraft Series 8 birch drums, but (a) I have not heard a whole lot about these kits and (b) their USA distribution is not a "well-oiled" as Eames and Yamaha.
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Old 12-07-2011, 01:27 AM
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I know the Eames shells are probably fine... for me personally, i just have certain things I get picky about when spending over 1k or whatever...... The drum set as a whole has to have IDENTITY.. meaning.. all the parts are either mfg'd or designed by the actual company. Eames has very few parts, as does even somebody like Brady.

With Yamaha, I mean.... look at the newer Absolutes with the hook lugs. We are getting into the top shelf superior design with the metal parts as well..... only rivaled by maybe Sonor SQ. That is important, at least for me.. when I spend alot of dough..
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Old 12-10-2011, 01:41 AM
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I know the Eames shells are probably fine... for me personally, i just have certain things I get picky about when spending over 1k or whatever...... The drum set as a whole has to have IDENTITY.. meaning.. all the parts are either mfg'd or designed by the actual company. Eames has very few parts, as does even somebody like Brady.

With Yamaha, I mean.... look at the newer Absolutes with the hook lugs. We are getting into the top shelf superior design with the metal parts as well..... only rivaled by maybe Sonor SQ. That is important, at least for me.. when I spend alot of dough..
This is a great point. You can buy the finest custom shells, but you'll be depending on the hardware to complete the package. Its not only identity, but also the quality of the hardware that's being installed, and the quality of the installation. I've seriously seen some $5000 custom kits that look like they have hardware that was intended for a $600 kit. What's up with that? In addition, you'll get a kit with a warranty, when buying a new kit from a company like Yamaha.
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Old 12-10-2011, 02:10 AM
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I go pretty far back with Eames drums and the model to compare to YRC is the Finetone their the 6ply drums. I've played YRC since they came out and just sold a set last week that I bought new 5 years ago. The Eames have more power and the tuning range is abit wider they are originally a great jazz kit with alot of jazz greats using Eames shells under all kinds of logos and badges. Joe won't say that but I just did and its the truth!!! Being handcrafted the drums are literally custom made not a production drum like YRC are. I can't talk down about YRC because I think their the best mass produced offering out here and the amount of time they've been afforded with studio time and live application time says it all about them. You can't go wrong with either!! Theres some fun involved with putting together an Eames kit because Joe will let you pic your drum hardware and you can use your favorite application on your custom shells. Pick you sizes and lugs and rims, throw offs to butt plates is alot of fun. His finishes are clean and classic vintage, no burst and bomb-bartings hahahaha!!!! I played a 6ply 16x18/14x14/9x10 with a master tone Eames 15ply snare and a 9ply snare and those two drums made me feel like I owned 10 different snares, they were awesome. So I'm probably the most versed drummer when it comes to comparing those two Birch sets and I like them equally but give the nod to Eames because of its versitilty and the fact you can choose your favorite hardware. Doc
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Old 12-10-2011, 03:27 AM
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So I suppose the question would be, do you want to really piece together your next drum kit, or just get one that's already built?

If you're a DIY kinda' guy, that would be fun. If you're not, especially with how beautiful a Yamaha Recording Custom kit can be, that kinda' answers the question. If you were looking at used drums, don't discount the Tama Superstars from the 80s, those were solid birch as well and sounded great too.
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Old 12-10-2011, 04:15 AM
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Being handcrafted the drums are literally custom made not a production drum like YRC are. I can't talk down about YRC because I think their the best mass produced offering out here and the amount of time they've been afforded with studio time and live application time says it all about them. Doc
I wouldn't consider RC's to be mass produced...they're generally special ordered now and they're made by hand, just like Eames...you do know that Sakae, which makes all of the top of the line drums for yamaha is not a very large company..about 60 people work there..hardly a mass produced factory...
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Old 12-10-2011, 05:56 AM
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I wouldn't consider RC's to be mass produced...they're generally special ordered now and they're made by hand, ..
Exactly.. If anybody is going to teach anybody about one of the most solid, in-round shell, you can see that with Yamaha/Sakae.

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Old 12-10-2011, 05:04 PM
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I'm a big RC fan - I've been playing them since the mid 80's. But - If and when I get another Birch snare or kit, I'll go with Eames.

The cool thing about them is they make their own shells - they're not a Keller boutique assembler. In the 80's a lot of cats put Yamaha hardware on Eames shells - now that's the best of both worlds! I have an old custom snare with Yamaha hardware on it - I'm thinking of sending the parts to Joe and have him build up a Master Model snare.

Anyway, an Eames kit is more like a wolf in sheep's clothing - people will come up to you after a gig and ask what kind of kit you're playing. No bling, but lots of greatness underneath...
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Old 12-10-2011, 05:38 PM
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scorch whammin; lets see YRC are in a small factory with only 60 people producing the thousands of sets since the early 80s, right?
Then theres Eames drums established in 1949 and production began in 1950 at the beginning there was ONE employee Ralph, then theres was TWO Ralph and Joe, then theres was ONE just Joe! Still just Joe there hahahaha theres people comparing but I haven't heard anyone mention which model Eames they owned, or which year YRC they owned. Seems like I'm the only who actually owned both of these companies goods and have owned them from c;lose to their beginings (not to close to Eames beginings) hahaha!!!
So lets see 60 employees compared to ONE!!! Well I guess you get my point!!!
I'm not gonna make calls and bring some of your heros on here to tell you that Eames is an outstanding shell, because Joe would get extremely mad at me. He likes his company exactly were its at because the people who play Eames know shells and the labor that goes into each Eames drum, the people who don't play Eames don't know of this because they don't own or play them so they don't have any personal references to make about them. Basicly they don't know squat!!! If your so damn lazy that picking out your personal preference hardware seems like choir then by all means buy from a mass producer and leave the custom playing and thinking to the personalized companies and customers. I've had little set backs from shipping problems to pieces that weren't correct getting through final inspections from every company I've dealt with in the 50 years of playing drums and now that I think of it I never had one problem or concern with Eames and Joe Mac. Its a nice experienced to deal with someone who cares so much about their craft and business.
Imagine ONE man building drums everyday for all these years, for some of the best drummers world wide, and like a dope I'm defending him on a drum forum thats basicly filled with idol worshippers and weekend warriors. Man I am getting old, sorry Joseph. Doc
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Old 12-10-2011, 08:16 PM
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I had some RC shell's destroyed in a car wreck in the 80's Went with EAMES shell's to replace. He matched the colour (natural maple) right on.

I used the YAMAHA hardware which survived the crash. Im not going to say the EAMES shells sound 'better', but definitely as good and honestly a little warmer than the YAMAHA shells. EAMES is quality stuff and being small/custom, you can get what you want, not what say YAMAHA wants to give you.




The drum set as a whole has to have IDENTITY.. meaning.. all the parts are either mfg'd or designed by the actual company.


This is a grey area. We can take SAKAE and YAMAHA as an example, one makes their own hardware, the other makes both shells n' both very hi-end stuff. The hardware might make a difference for you, but EAMES can use any hardware you request and/or supply.
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Old 12-10-2011, 09:15 PM
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but EAMES can use any hardware you request and/or supply.
That's great. lol.. seriously.. , you think Yamaha would be caught dead doing something like that ?? How about DW?? Can you supply your hardware or request Drummaker parts ??
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Old 12-10-2011, 10:22 PM
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Artstar; what does hardware have to do with sound and when did drum companies actually make their own hardware? They design it and out source the work and when did hardware effect the quality of the Sound? Theres all kinds of hardware that used to come out of a Pearl factory in fact there were factories in Japan where everyones hardware came out of. They had a plant for the higher quality pieces and others for low line when the models were priced by lesser hardware quality. Eames eliminates that but does have their "in house" hardware if its to much of a strain to choice or know what you like. Premier plating came out of Rolls Royce did it make the hardware "ride better"?? Are you suggesting theres something "low" about Eames suggesting that you can choose your gear? If so I'm sure your a mess over all the gear coming out of China, Indonesia and Mexico too!!!! As for DW you can just get alot of the DW shells from Keller theres a guy on ebay right now selling some. The fact is that the public requested Eames to add hardware to their business the company sold shells for years not a completed sets of drums. The people that played the shells asked Ralph then Joe who actually did it to complete their kits. He reached back to his customers and did what they asked. Those are the facts and when your a pro drummer and you can stand the course of time and have a drum builder (a real one) stand by you and help you when your in need. Lets see some of these other companies ship you some drums to use after yours were damaged until the new drums can be ready.
What model Eames do you or did you play you never mentioned? Doc
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Old 12-10-2011, 10:47 PM
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Dirt.. , these are just two different things.. One is a manufacturer of an identified drumset. The other is a manufacturer , strictly of shells. Like Keller.

I am sure I would love the sound of the Eames shells, but there is no Eames drumset just like there is no Keller drumset or Precision drumset.
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Old 12-10-2011, 11:03 PM
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You should really look into the companies your talking about they all will put together kits if the customer shows em the money. As for Eames Joes been building shells and completeing kits for many years now, I know I play them. What was the model you know so well??? You know how you know so much about the drums. Really come on say it? Doc
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Old 12-10-2011, 11:18 PM
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Many people put together kits.. I remember in the mid 90's I had Precision put together a kit. It was neat. Eames makes drumshells and will put together a kit like many people put together kits.

Here are some kits Eames put's together.

http://www.eamesdrumshells.com/Drumsetgallery.html
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Old 12-10-2011, 11:23 PM
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.............and yours is right over.....................................Where? Doc
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Old 12-10-2011, 11:36 PM
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huh ??????????????????
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Old 12-10-2011, 11:52 PM
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You must own an Eames set to know so much about them to be able to converse in a topic like this. You've played both Eames & YRC before and often right? I mentioned I owned both brands for many years and you call Eames and ask Jow how the hell is Doctor Dirt you'll get an answer except if he reads this blabbering it won't be a good one.
My point being is I don't think you know anything about Eames drums or YRC for that matter cause your talking about selecting hardware not sound production and drum characteristics. Eames has been selling KITS for many years now and you didn't know that so why make blank statements about something you don't know anything about. Thats all. Doc
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Old 12-11-2011, 12:16 AM
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I have no problem with Eames drum shells. Why would I ?? They make cool drum shells.
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Old 12-11-2011, 12:48 AM
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They MAKE cool drum sets too, like the ones I've played for 35 years just like the ones you never have played or owned. Why is youth wasted on the young? Oh thats right............!!
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Old 12-11-2011, 01:17 AM
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They make drumshells. They bolt on other mfg's parts. There is nothing wrong with that, but that is what it is.

Look. http://www.eamesdrumshells.com/Drumsetgallery.html
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Old 12-11-2011, 01:20 AM
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Many people put together kits.. I remember in the mid 90's I had Precision put together a kit. It was neat. Eames makes drumshells and will put together a kit like many people put together kits.

Here are some kits Eames put's together.

http://www.eamesdrumshells.com/Drumsetgallery.html

Then you could easily say YAMAHA makes hardware and they assemble it on SAKAE shells.
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Old 12-11-2011, 01:30 AM
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Then you could easily say YAMAHA makes hardware and they assemble it on SAKAE shells.
Not even. They have been in partnership for a LONG time. Air seal and diagonal seam is completely Yamaha. Where can I buy a Sakae shell and put drummaker parts on it ?
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Old 12-11-2011, 01:46 AM
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Not even. They have been in partnership for a LONG time. Air seal and diagonal seam is completely Yamaha. Where can I buy a Sakae shell and put drummaker parts on it ?

They're not YAMAHA shell's is the reality, SAKAE makes them for them, no matter how long its been happening.

As DIRT has already stated EAMES has been in the drum making business longer than YAMAHA has been and using SAKAE shells.

EAMES is a custom manufacturer. YAMAHA/SAKAE not, so no one would expect to buy their shell's unfinished.
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Old 12-11-2011, 04:11 AM
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FWIW, I'm glad this thread exists because in my ignorance I never heard of Eames and I'm glad I now have been shown the light.

I'm thinking it is time to own a 100 percent birch kit.
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Old 12-11-2011, 04:32 AM
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I had a set of Eames drums made for me in 1982. I still have them but lent them to a friends kid. They are wonderful sounding instruments. So are The RC's. I don't know that you can make a bad choice between the 2. Hard choice for sure.
You will probably get better finishes on the RC's. The paint job on my Eames shells did not knock me out, but maybe they have improved since the early 80's. The sound is beyond reproach though.
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Old 12-11-2011, 06:39 AM
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Hard choice for sure.
You will probably get better finishes on the RC's. The paint job on my Eames shells did not knock me out, but maybe they have improved since the early 80's. The sound is beyond reproach though.
Thanks for the many excellent points raised in this thread. The hardware concerns are a good point, as well as the typical resale argument, but I think Larry hits the problem on the head: it is a hard choice precisely because both are quite good ultimately--it is a fine line. Hence the dilemma.

I do like the fact that Yamaha/Sakae have mastered the RC hardware for decades now--tried and true stuff--compared to the mostly standard fair Pearl Masters series hardware that Joe Mac has on hand at Eames (unless, as others have noted, you provide the hardware yourself). So, Yamaha clearly has the advantage on the hardware and resale value points, it seems. However, as Larry notes, the Eames kits and snares do indeed sound great--it really is an Eames sound that is handcrafted, given that Joe makes the shells and goes against the grain with his shell plies and thicknesses. He does have the FineTone 6-ply/roughly 6.3mm shell (closer to the specs of most mass-produced kits these days), but, from what I've gathered from Joe and some Eames players, the real flagship is the NaturalTone 9-ply/9.5mm birch shell--a shell makeup not as common these days. That's what attracted me to Eames--the sound is clear and clean and different from the classic RC sound. But both are still attractive sounds and kits.
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Old 12-11-2011, 07:09 PM
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RobertM; your in the Eames ballpark with your statements! My preference is the Finetone and that model is the closest to YRC because of the thickness of the shell walls. The Natural-Tone is Eames
"all purpose" shells because they are a flexable application to use in all kinds of music settings. (I've owned 2 Nat.)( one Finetone) My reasons for the Finetone preference is they produce more bottom end and resonant more, thats all.
As for an advantage with hardware that would clearly be Eames because of the wider range of choices. Hell you could use Yamaha if you think its the best. Your not sending Yamaha a box of vintage Slingerland gear, they're not doing it hahahaha!!!! But a custom maker will do it thats why their custom (customer friendly).
I stated I played and owned both companies sets and all though I am a YRC supported and often times suggest that model to people looking to up grade from mid-line gear the Eames is a handcrafted American made product with years of tradition and excellance. Joe worked under Ralph who was a great craftsman and his skills were taught to Joe and Joe has added his own personality to the drums. When two men basicly work one at a time in a home grown company filled with excellance that for me out classes a segment of a world wide operation (Yamaha Inc.) who produces multi-products and componients.
Having a discussion about these two fine instruments just gets ridiculous when one or more parties have never owned them. Everyone has opinions but what your opinion is based on makes your opinion a valid one. Other than that its just BS'ing its like listening to someone talk about drumming but they never sat in the seat. BS'ers!! Doc
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Old 12-11-2011, 08:27 PM
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I only have a limited amount of input here, as I've only owned one Eames-shelled drum. That was a snare custom built for me on a VERY thick Eames shell with Rogers Dynasonic hardware. I wish I could remember the number of plies, but I cannot.

Sadly, I really did not like the drum, but it was my fault, I guess. I fell to the hype that a really thick shell would do this or that, without having heard one. And for me, the thick shell did not work - personal preference, I just did not care for the sound. This was WAY before the internet and YouTube, sound samples, etc, so I really had no way of comparing before I ordered, as I knew of no one with one of these drums to give a listen to. So, I got rid of it. And resale value was not good, compared to what I paid! LOL

But the shell did seem to be well built, I guess. I did not like the way the outer ply seam was finished, being used to a smooth butted-joint seam, but that was the only negative. The builder did the finish work in a nice walnut stain.

So that's all I can tell you. I know it's not really a comparison of YRC vs Eames, but it's all the experience I've got with Eames. Good luck with your decision.
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They're not YAMAHA shell's is the reality, SAKAE makes them for them, no matter how long its been happening.

EAMES is a custom manufacturer. YAMAHA/SAKAE not, so no one would expect to buy their shell's unfinished.
Come on Les Is More. That is silly. Sakae is not cranking out shells for whomever to use. Yamaha/Sakae have been an integral part of each other for their entire relationship. The way the shells are built IS NOT because of Sakae.. Yamaha began that themselves, and in turn had Sakae copy the Yamaha way for the shells they build. This is from Yamaha themselves :

"Many drummers who are familiar with Yamaha today believe that Sakae Rhythm was the original Yamaha production facility, but in fact production was started at Yamaha’s
own factories. Another common misconception is that our Air Seal System was developed at Sakae Rhythm, but it was actually developed and introduced
right from the rst models that were produced at our own factories. One of the earliest Yamaha drum brochures shows the original Yamaha production facility and describes Air Seal System technology, a Yamaha innovation that is a vital part of our identity as a drum manufacturer to this day
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As DIRT has already stated EAMES has been in the drum making business longer than YAMAHA has been and using SAKAE shells.

EAMES is a custom manufacturer. YAMAHA/SAKAE not, so no one would expect to buy their shell's unfinished.
This is also completely ridiculous.. Number of years has nothing to do with experience. Number of shells hand crafted does. Yamaha is on a completely different level with regard to experience through HUGE volume. Eames probably did in 25 years the same amount that Yamaha did BY HAND in a few years.

.. and Eames is not really "custom". They just assemble drummaker parts and other mfg's parts on their shells. Nothing more., and not a bad thing.. just what it is.
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Come on Les Is More. That is silly. Sakae is not cranking out shells for whomever to use. Yamaha/Sakae have been an integral part of each other for their entire relationship. The way the shells are built IS NOT because of Sakae.. Yamaha began that themselves, and in turn had Sakae copy the Yamaha way for the shells they build. This is from Yamaha themselves :

"Many drummers who are familiar with Yamaha today believe that Sakae Rhythm was the original Yamaha production facility, but in fact production was started at Yamaha’s
own factories. Another common misconception is that our Air Seal System was developed at Sakae Rhythm, but it was actually developed and introduced
right from the rst models that were produced at our own factories. One of the earliest Yamaha drum brochures shows the original Yamaha production facility and describes Air Seal System technology, a Yamaha innovation that is a vital part of our identity as a drum manufacturer to this day
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Agreed!..Yamaha and Sakae have worked so closely together for so long that they are almost thought of as the same company...Sakae isn't a drum builder for hire..and Yamaha Engineering is what makes Yamaha drums unique/special...developing special (working) relationships in business just doesn't happen in music it also happens in other industries....in my profession (aerospace) the company I work for also has similar relationships...but at the end of the day everything that is made is made to my company's specifications...
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Huge volumn====I thought they didn't mass produce??? If Eames isn't a custom drum maker "what is a custom drum maker".!
honestly you don't know what your talking about you never dealt with the Eames co. you never played a kit or owned one yet comment as if you did. Doc
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Huge volume of hand made shells for a real drum company. This does not mean some robot factory spitting out a product. And Yamaha is not Drummaker parts on shells. I don't need to play a shell to know what I see. You are the one who does not know what you are talking about..
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............What Model EAMES do you Play?................................Doc.








waste of time talking to people who make comments on a drum company but have never played or owned the product. Kids, all yak no substance.
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Old 12-12-2011, 01:48 AM
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Look to my last post again.
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Old 12-12-2011, 02:34 AM
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............What Model EAMES do you Play?................................Doc.








waste of time talking to people who make comments on a drum company but have never played or owned the product. Kids, all yak no substance.
I don't know, Doc. He hasn't said anything (good or bad) about how Eames sound. And he hasn't really stated any incorrect factual data that I am aware of. Just seems you guys have different views about what company you would rather deal with.

I don't think anybody is gonna win this pissing match - it's just a matter of opinion. So it probably IS a waste of time... None of the argument between you and Artstar seems like it would help the original poster decide between the two drums, anyway. You've already both stated your opinions.

Just an observer's view.
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Old 12-12-2011, 05:23 AM
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Yamaha and Sakae have worked so closely together for so long that they are almost thought of as the same company...

Except SAKAE is making their own line of drums... to the same spec, or better is the question. They know what YAMAHA shell's are all about, why would they not try and do better?

If SAKE was just a supplier of shells to YAMAHA you might have a grounds for a solid partnership argument, but their making their own line of drums now and they're not giving them away. There's a name for that in the business world.

GRETSCH made their own shells at one time having been in business since the 19th century. The fact is, YAMAHA doesn't make all their own shells and EAMES does make all their own shells.

Being very familiar with the two I can say I'd rather order a set from EAMES and get what I want on it (truly custom) as opposed to settling for what YAMAHA wants to give me. YAMAHA is great product, has a sound, but I prefer the sound of EAMES birch shells over YAMAHA.

I may be able to order custom sizes from YAMAHA, but if I ask them to put a different pair of bass drum spurs on the kick (or AQUARIAN heads etc.), it ain't gonna happen, they're not a custom drum manufacture. With EAMES you can order what you want, YAMAHA you have to agree to what their offering you. If then you have a choice, why would you settle for something? It helps to know what you want though.

If you're looking strictly at resale, you're probably going to have to settle for less than you expected with any drum co, maybe you could get lucky.

So is EAMES just as legit a drum co. as YAMAHA? I say yes. Spares, repairs/matching, all will be easier with EAMES than YAMAHA who a just too big, and too small at the same time to make a difference when it comes to support. Buy an EAMES kit and they'll treat you like family. YAMAHA... be patient, you're just another customer.
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Old 12-12-2011, 05:39 AM
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Sakae just barely came out with their own drum line. Sakae only had a partnership with Yamaha from decades and decades ago BECAUSE they DID WHAT YAMAHA HAD THEM AGREE WITH.

You can't get random Drummaker spurs or parts on a Yamaha drum because they ARE NOT YAMAHA PARTS. THEY ARE NOT A DRUMMAKER or PRECISION DRUM or DRUMFOUNDRY Assembler. If you ask Yamaha to do that they will laugh at you and have a sake.

Yamaha is a REAL DRUM COMPANY WITH REAL YAMAHA PARTS.

Eames makes nice shells that they will put on Drummaker parts or random Drum Manufacturers.
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Old 12-12-2011, 10:42 AM
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I think you can see Yamaha between a custom company and a mass production.

Yes they make a lot of drums in a month/year, hand made, around 60 men of personnel witch don't do anything other then what they do on thee line their WHOLE life and dedicated (Japanese social culture etc.)

That said, I think both Yamaha and Eamse are the best in what they do. Sound is personal and goes even further then that (heads, tuning, atmosphere, location, time etc) so discussing that can be fun but will be an never ending story ;)


Regarding Yamaha's customer service, they had their flaws back in the days but I think it is superb now (maybe because a customer doesn't accept less these days) especially in the States (where I know the Drums & DTX team, live for us the costumer)
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