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Old 11-25-2011, 01:56 AM
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From scratch. This began life as a lump out of a firewood pile.




Cut to size abd wrapped to dry.
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Old 11-25-2011, 02:07 AM
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Never heard of or seen an Elm snare so I was not sure what to expect from this, what I got was a very happy ending, looks great, sounds great.









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Old 11-25-2011, 02:24 AM
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Absolutely stunning work!!!!!! I love elm as a drum shell, but it's difficult to source here locally due to the ravishes of Dutch elm disease. Such a wonderful creamy colour palate, & I'm liking the flat gold hardware look too. Congratulations, really :)

P.S. How long did it take to dry the timber? Natural season or assisted?
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Old 11-25-2011, 02:24 AM
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Awesome man. Truly incredible.
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Dutch Elm cleaned Canada out too, I was very surprised to see this.

I did not have a moisture meter other than the feel of it while working it. The tree was down for at least 3 months, then I cut it to size, about 3/4 inch thick and let it dry for 8 months, then it sat half done on my lathe for another 7 weeks .

They say 1 year per inch so i hope it was enough. It sanded nice and dry like, so i think I am safe.
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Old 11-25-2011, 02:47 AM
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great job on that snare, looks great!
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What a great looking drum!

First time I've ever heard of an elm snare, let alone seen one. The finish is fabulous....love the colour of hardware too....matches that wood grain perfectly.
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Old 11-25-2011, 11:35 PM
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Simply awesome! What did you use for lacquering? Also: could you upload some sound snippets? Would be nice to hear how that drum sounds like.
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Old 11-26-2011, 12:23 AM
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I love the grain on that snare awesome work
What finish is the hardware I'm loving it too
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GReat work 'Goon. I used to sell wood burning stoves, etc., and am a past member of the Woodburning Institute. Pretty prestigious huh. Anyway, most split firewood will "age" in about a year and that varies with wood type so you should be good at the thickness you have there. That drum is absolutely gorgeous,.
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Jeezie Creezie, that thing looks beautiful.

Did you finish the hardware yourself or is that a custom order?
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Love it. Can I have it?
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Thanks to all. The finish is a simple Minwax wipe on poly, about 12 coats with very light sanding of various grit between every second or third coat. Then a wet sand starting with 1000, 1500 and 2000 grit, and a power polish with Megiuars fine cut cleaner.
The hardware was powder coated by me too.
Bearing edges were hand done because Elm tends to breakout with power tools, meaning chunks start flying. This wood needs a careful touch.
as for sound, too soon to really give a review, I have a corporate gig tomorrow night where I am bringing my multi coloured Masterworks kit and this snare and the walnut/maple snare. I will record the whole night. Since we have not gigged since August, hopefully I can get a few bearable moments that I can release to the public lol.
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Gorgeous work man. You've got mad skills. First elm drum I've seen. I'd say that's a fairly rare drum. Are you keeping it? Selling it?
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So far I cant sell a drum, I think I am a hoarder. Every drum I build, I start with the intention of selling and end by telling myself "but I don't have one like this".
It is an expensive stock pile, just in new heads alone, let alone all the hoops hardware strainers etc.
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I got some video of this snare in action. The video is not great, a yellow light which also blinded me all night, was facing the lens. The gig was a real snoozefest, but it is what it is, have a listen to the snare, hope you like it. The kit I used was my Pearl Masterworks, which also was the first time I had these out to a gig.

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It's really hard to tell through this recording, but what I could hear I liked a lot. I think that thing sounds absolutely great and fits this style just perfectly.

I also liked your drumming a lot!

Just out of curiosity: What are the exact sizes? Looks quite deep. Also: How did you powder coat the hardware? Do you have the tools for that yourself or do you have someone who does that for you?

Truly fantastic work! I'd love to be able to do that...
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Thank you very much for that Rick. Honestly though, my playing was on auto pilot there. I was up at 6:30 in the morning, loaded the kit and drove 2 hours, set up at 2 in the afternoon, hung around all day until we started the gig after 9, by then I was ready for bed lol.

I just bought a small powder coat gun, the lug posts are solid brass from Allstar lugs, the snare is exactly 7 inches deep, and is as thin as you would dare to go on a stave shell, a little under 1/4 inch. Puresound 24 strand brass blaster wires.
With the sorry state of the sellers market right now, I can't imagine trying to sell stuff like this and make any worthwhile profit. I could put one of these together cheaper, but for one, Elm would hard if not impossible to find. I used all premium parts, die cast usually run me between $65 to $80 a hoop, wires $30, lugs tubes and screws close to $100, good heads $35-40, throw off $60-80, so about $400 before any labour, and then the supplies, powder coating, clear coat, sandpaper, etc.

If you are interested in a shell, I am going to try to see if this guy has any of that wood left, and if so I will let you know. Then it would be a matter of how nice and how complete you want to go. Another thing I would need to check seeing you are out of country, because Elm is scarce, have to make sure it is legal, otherwise the eco police could seize it.

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I got some video of this snare in action. The video is not great, a yellow light which also blinded me all night, was facing the lens. The gig was a real snoozefest, but it is what it is, have a listen to the snare, hope you like it. The kit I used was my Pearl Masterworks, which also was the first time I had these out to a gig.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz0TbNG0izQ
Snare sounded fantastic! Crisp, deep, & a nice crack. Liked the vibe in your playing too :)
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With the sorry state of the sellers market right now, I can't imagine trying to sell stuff like this and make any worthwhile profit.
You're right, it's tight alright. To give you a guide, if we were quoting that drum right now, complete (Dunnett strainer, right?), as a bespoke build it would be $850 (at current exchange rates) including taxes. More, if the customer wanted a non standard finish. You & I both know the labour time involved, so nobody's getting rich, eh!
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That price would be where I would be comfortable, getting people to shell out that kind of coin is another thing, I am sure you get the "but I saw one on line for........"

Thanks for the nice words though from you and everyone. This snare is getting alot of attention here and the two other sites I posted it on. I also found a 3 foot by 2 foot chunk of elm today. Someone cut down a tree part way and left it along some large pieces. I may bring my chainsaw and do some road side salvaging.
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That price would be where I would be comfortable, getting people to shell out that kind of coin is another thing, I am sure you get the "but I saw one on line for........"
Yes, but trust me, some players pay double that for something half as good with a fraction of the man hours put into the build. You'd be surprised at the premiums that can be charged for a fancy veneer, & a "limited series run" under a brand banner ;) Just because it looks the same, doesn't mean it is. That said, all's good, & most players end up with something that makes them happy.

BTW, there's a reason your snare's getting a lot of attention, IT'S FANTASTIC!
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I never heard about drums made of Elm, either.( until one year ago)

And than I decited to order snare from Antonio Drums.

We have been discuss long time what I am looking for, and finaly I give Antonio free hands to build my snare.
And here is what I got few days ago:









Its made of Elm too. Actually, he is now building me a complete drum set in Elm.
I have no idea before how Elm is sounding.
When I was searching on Internet, I did finnd your project.And som drums with "oute layer" of Elm, Nothing more.
Now, when I got my snare, I find it to be EXTREMLY sensitive, and "woody".
I do not know if that is some chareteristic of Elm, or it have to to with construction.
And when I hit withous snare wires on head, snare is singig for a loooooooooooong time.

But , its Nmice materiall.
And there is one Elm snare builder too - Canopus Zelkova. Zelkova is a Elm tree.
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Zelkova is Elm? That is interesting. I am taking mine to its second gig tonight. I have 15 snares up and running at the moment with a bunch under construction. Right now the Elm is one of my favourites.
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Wiki is not best place to find information... but let us trust this time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelkova
I acctualy do not know how "close" or "far away" thtahs relativs are...

Antonio, I order my snare from, an drum set , recomended me Elm. I could choice maple, oak, elm, walnut and some more.... But he said that Elm could maych nice that sound I explain
I was not heard allmost anything about Elm and drums before that. Then I found your snare, and Zelkova( I know about Zelkova- but not that was Elm too) Could have to do with fact that most trees are goone in that "Duth Elm dessies", and that tihuse are left are expensive - I relay do not know.
Byt it have a buatiful wood grain. And says thats hard. And hard wood, "usaly" means even good accoustic for instuments.
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