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Old 10-30-2011, 05:19 AM
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Default Head reviews for Mapex Saturns

I'm interested to hear from other Saturn owners experiences trying heads other than stock clear emperors. Heads that have me curious are coated emperors, coated super 2's, coated response 2's, coated g2's, and all their equivalent clear versions as well as ec2's.

I wonder, does Mapex outfit the Saturns with clear emperors because they believe that's the best sounding head for those shells or is it because they believe it's simply a good "all purpose" head?

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Old 10-30-2011, 05:56 AM
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I'm interested to hear from other Saturn owners experiences trying heads other than stock clear emperors. Heads that have me curious are coated emperors, coated super 2's, coated response 2's, coated g2's, and all their equivalent clear versions as well as ec2's.

I wonder, does Mapex outfit the Saturns with clear emperors because they believe that's the best sounding head for those shells or is it because they believe it's simply a good "all purpose" head?

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The latter I think. I've used the stocks, coated G2s, clear ambassadors and next I think I'll go back to a clear 2 ply. They all sounded good, but I guess it depends what music you're going to be playing? The clear ambs were great for tom heavy stuff as I got a big gain in volume with them. I'd like to try single ply with a center dot and a pinstripe or similar just for fun. Also interested in what a coated resonant would sound like.
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Old 10-30-2011, 05:58 PM
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Thanks kettles for the reply,

For now I'm using this kit just for my own practice and don't need them to blast tone to outer space so ambassadors or any single ply head is probably not going to happen unless i start using this kit at band practice.

I like how the coated Super 2's sound and feel on my pearl mcx's so I might consider those in a couple months since the stock heads on my saturns are still good.

Coated emperors have me curious as well but not sure how they would blend with the saturn shell composition, so would be nice to hear from more saturn owners that have tried different heads.
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Old 10-30-2011, 07:41 PM
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I've had the stocks, then EC2's over G1 and now black suede emperors over G1. The stocks were great, just not the sound I was looking for at the time. The EC2's sounded good but they seemed to kill all the sustain and all that was left was attack. Imo this is more prevelant with the thinner shell saturns in comparison to my Ludwigs. The black suede emperors are warm and dark, slightly muffled but still have just enough sustain for me for the moment. The more the black suedes have broken in the better they sound. Admittedly, my tuning skills were a little lacking when I bought the saturns so others may have a different view of the EC2's. My next heads will probably be a 2 ply clear now that i can tune better.
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Old 10-30-2011, 09:46 PM
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Mine had clear G2 over clear G1, and they sounded great. Peace and goodwill.
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Old 10-31-2011, 08:28 PM
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Well I think I'm going to stick with clear 2 ply batters but this time around I'll try the Aquarian equivalent (response 2) heads.

The clear emporers sound great but I really like how the Aquarian heads feel and sound my tama superstar hyperdrive kit.
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Old 11-01-2011, 01:18 AM
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I have clear G2's over G1s on my Saturns as well.
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Old 11-01-2011, 01:44 AM
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Stock heads are great on the Saturns. Emperors over Ambassadors. If you can't make them sound good, you are doing something wrong. :)
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Old 11-01-2011, 05:50 AM
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Stock heads are great on the Saturns. Emperors over Ambassadors. If you can't make them sound good, you are doing something wrong. :)
Hehe, was that a copy and paste from another thread? Did you not read through all the posts in this topic, lol ?
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Old 11-09-2011, 09:21 PM
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To be honest I never gave the stock heads much of a chance. I think I changed em out within 2 weeks of getting the kit. I put G2's on and was never really satisfied with them either.

I currently have Clear Pinstripes over the stock reso's and that is a big improvement over the G2's IMO but still not blown away by them. The BD batter is an EMAD with the aquarian regulator on the front and still not blown away by that either, no matter what size muffle ring I put in the emad it still seems like it has alot of room for improvement.

I want to try a clear or coated single ply head next on the tom batters. I have a controlled sound Bass drum head I am throwing on tomorrow and will see how that sounds compared to the emad. I am leaning towards controlled sound for the tom batters as well but still researching.
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Old 11-09-2011, 09:25 PM
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To be honest I never gave the stock heads much of a chance. I think I changed em out within 2 weeks of getting the kit. I put G2's on and was never really satisfied with them either.

I currently have Clear Pinstripes over the stock reso's and that is a big improvement over the G2's IMO but still not blown away by them. The BD batter is an EMAD with the aquarian regulator on the front and still not blown away by that either, no matter what size muffle ring I put in the emad it still seems like it has alot of room for improvement.

I want to try a clear or coated single ply head next on the tom batters. I have a controlled sound Bass drum head I am throwing on tomorrow and will see how that sounds compared to the emad. I am leaning towards controlled sound for the tom batters as well but still researching.
I used clear ambs over clear ambs for sometime and loved it. I was playing loud music so I was going for a loud clear tom sound in the context of the music. They sounded good on their own too, but try it out for yourself.
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Old 11-10-2011, 01:04 AM
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I have owned two Saturn sets. Both came with clear Ambassadors on both sides. They sounded very good with those heads. But I tend to dent up single-ply tom batters too quickly. So I almost always use two-ply heads on the top of toms. I have also used Remo Control Sound (black dot) heads, and they sound good too. One of those sets is at church, and EC2 and EC Resonant heads have been bought, but I have not had a chance put them on yet.

Mapex Saturns seem to sound good with any good quality head. Peace and goodwill.
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Old 11-10-2011, 01:15 AM
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The stock heads rule on the Saturns. There have been many that stray away, and usually end up back at square one. The PS3 is perfect on my 22 x 20's.
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Old 11-10-2011, 01:47 AM
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G2 over G1 is pretty much the same thing as the stockers. I'm about to try the SKII for the kick, I already have the Regulator ported reso. Have the Emad on there currently, sounds great mic'd up but I'm not real happy with it unmic'd.
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Old 11-10-2011, 02:39 PM
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I'm about to try the SKII for the kick, I already have the Regulator ported reso. Have the Emad on there currently, sounds great mic'd up but I'm not real happy with it unmic'd.
I have never mic'd mine, I agree though and am not happy with this set up. I will try the sound control tonight.. Maybe I will make a quick before and after video on my q3.
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Old 11-10-2011, 02:54 PM
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I have never mic'd mine, I agree though and am not happy with this set up. I will try the sound control tonight.. Maybe I will make a quick before and after video on my q3.
I am curious. Why are you trying so hard to not use the stock configuration? Is it a brand thing?
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Old 11-10-2011, 03:34 PM
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Went with G2 Coated over G1 Clear. Left the kick alone. It sounds fine. Found that this combo gave me the sound I liked especially when mic'd up.
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Old 11-10-2011, 07:25 PM
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Mine had G2's over G1's when I bought it, so I've been sticking with the G2's. I suppose I can try the Ambassadors next time I change batters. I'm not really brand concious. I use Remo's on my snares.
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Old 11-10-2011, 07:40 PM
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I am curious. Why are you trying so hard to not use the stock configuration? Is it a brand thing?
I do not have the batters anymore for any of the drums. Honestly I do not remember them all that much. It was like 4years ago and I had only been drumming a year or so when I got it and was under the impression that all stock heads sucked. I admittedly did not know as much about tuning as I do now (which still is not much) but I doubt I really tried to make them sound good.

Lesson learned but I still want to try a single ply batter on the Toms, Hoping the kick sounds great when I throw the single ply on it tonight. Nothing to do with brand all though lately I have a thing for remo but if it sounded good I would not care what brand it was.
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Old 11-12-2011, 12:37 AM
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Today, I put the new heads on the Saturns at church. The EC2 over EC resonant heads on the toms sound is best they have ever sounded, and yes, those drums are miced. I put a black EQ1 Resonant on the bass drum front and a clear EQ3 on the batter. Man! That bass drum sounds scary good. Peace and goodwill.
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Old 11-12-2011, 12:39 AM
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Today, I put the new heads on the Saturns at church. The EC2 over EC resonant heads on the toms sound is best they have ever sounded, and yes, those drums are miced. I put a black EQ1 Resonant on the bass drum front and a clear EQ3 on the batter. Man! That bass drum sounds scary good. Peace and goodwill.
Now just think if you had REMO heads on there. :) Have fun with them. Knock them dead on Sunday.
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Old 11-12-2011, 01:53 AM
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Now just think if you had REMO heads on there. :) Have fun with them. Knock them dead on Sunday.
If he had Remos they would be dead by Sunday. Bazinga...lol, JK,

Sorry you pitched it to me so good I just had to knock it out of the park, not meant to piss anyone off just thought it would be funny.
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Old 11-12-2011, 02:01 AM
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If he had Remos they would be dead by Sunday. Bazinga...lol, JK,

Sorry you pitched it to me so good I just had to knock it out of the park, not meant to piss anyone off just thought it would be funny.
Your good. Don't worry. JK, smiley face, winky, all work great to convey teasing.
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Old 11-12-2011, 03:55 AM
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Today, I put the new heads on the Saturns at church. The EC2 over EC resonant heads on the toms sound is best they have ever sounded, and yes, those drums are miced. I put a black EQ1 Resonant on the bass drum front and a clear EQ3 on the batter. Man! That bass drum sounds scary good. Peace and goodwill.
Good to know Mark! How would you describe the sound on these new heads of your saturns, still very resonant with a cleaner more focused tone???
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Old 11-12-2011, 05:23 PM
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The toms are very focused, and they have deep sustain too. The bass drum has a big, controlled boom. The tone is just fantastic. I am going to tear it up tomorrow morning. Peace and goodwill.
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:54 PM
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How did you tune the toms with that head combo? Sounds interesting
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Old 11-13-2011, 04:48 PM
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I went there Friday morning, put the heads on them, and tightened them pretty high to seat them. Then I went back in the late afternoon and tuned them. For the toms I de-tuned them totally and used the method that I learned at the Evans website by Will Kennedy: press down on the middle with your fist. Tune every lug until the wrinkle is gone. Then I fine tuned by ear with the bottom head a little lower pitched than the top. I will be leaving in about twenty minutes to go play them. Peace and goodwill.
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Old 11-21-2011, 04:39 AM
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Put the sound control on the bass drum, with the aquarian regulator reso and ughhhh not good at all. Then I took the aquarian reso off and placed the stock reso on with the kickport on it and it is a little better but still not happening.

Going to put the emad with no muffle ring in it back on tomorrow and hopefully leave the kickport on. Sound control BD head does not work on the saturn..IMO
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Old 11-21-2011, 05:09 AM
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Just my personal preference but if you use a regulator front you should have an sk1 on the batter side.
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Old 11-21-2011, 05:28 AM
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The drum companies don't make these heads up and throw them out to the public to figure out!!!! They research sound and response and match these kick drum applications after alot of research. Thats not to say you can't mix and match but I think giving a company a chance to perform is the best approach. I am a "stickler" for my bass drum sound and I've been like this forever hahahaha!! I want it all, low down and response, no sloppy head were the beater gets stuck in it. Must sound great acousticly first then proceed to the micing placement and EQ then board channel. I add my compressor (lightly) more for speaker protection than kick drum sound. Then I add the limiter and use the limiter and compression for my volumn control.
I find that the Aq. Super Kicks (1 for low end, 2 for less volumn, 3 for low profile work) are the best for me. I use their regulator for the reso (full). I'm completely happy with this set up on my Premier Signia drum (16x20).
You have to try different things and not just put the head on and decide you need to listen to it for a few days and understand that they'll stretch out and become more resonant. We don't play amplified instruments the drums take time to achieve your sound its a time taking event and if you take your time you'll find what you like. "tune em up" Doc
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Old 11-21-2011, 07:47 AM
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I have an Emad with a ported regulator. With the EQ pillow. Sounds great mic'd, but unmic'd im not that happy with it. I just picked up an SK2. Will report back after experiment with the muffling and whatnot. I usually tune both the batter and resonant fairly low. I have heard great things about the SK-regulator combo. We'll see
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Old 11-21-2011, 10:06 PM
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Thats a good point doctor, I will let the soundcontrol stay on a little longer. Maybe even tighten higher than de tune it to stretch it out a lil.
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