Zildjian Pre Aged cymbals

[19drum94]

Does anyone know where to get your hands on any of these cymbals? I heard a pre aged K light ride in person the other day and I was blown away!!!

[bobdadruma]

This is the first that I am hearing of this.
Interesting!

[Muckster]

Originally Posted by 19drum94

Does anyone know where to get your hands on any of these cymbals? I heard a pre aged K light ride in person the other day and I was blown away!!!

I bought one when they first came out in the 90's and still play it today. Absolutely love it. I see them on Ebay all the time.

[planetzildjian]

Originally Posted by bobdadruma

This is the first that I am hearing of this.
Interesting!

A few years back Sabian would bury their rides in the ground and age them a few years and then dig em' up & sell them for like $700.00, I don't know if they still do that?..but it's interesting.

[The Gedge]

Pre-aged cymbals sound like a good addition to my kit; means I won't have to consider stealing some of my school's cymbals (which are definitely aged, but sound absolutely terrible).

[wsabol]

Originally Posted by The Gedge

Pre-aged cymbals sound like a good addition to my kit; means I won't have to consider stealing some of my school's cymbals (which are definitely aged, but sound absolutely terrible).

Never heard of sabian doing it, but I've heard on forums of people using technique to age and darken their cymbals.

[planetzildjian]

Originally Posted by wsabol

Never heard of sabian doing it, but I've heard on forums of people using technique to age and darken their cymbals.

Here ya go...check this link and it explains a little about Sabian burying ride cymbals to dry them out.

http://drummertalk.org/2009/01/18/sa...egend-is-true/

I was trying to find the video Sabian made....but I'm too lazy.

Cheers

[Pocket-full-of-gold]

Originally Posted by planetzildjian

Here ya go...check this link and it explains a little about Sabian burying ride cymbals to dry them out.

http://drummertalk.org/2009/01/18/sa...egend-is-true/

I was trying to find the video Sabian made....but I'm too lazy.

Cheers

Nearly three years old. What was the end result? Did it actually work? Or was it just another way of selling a $500 cymbal for $700 or $800?

I've read numerous threads here at DW and other forums where it's been discussed........unfortunately it's always "I've heard about..." or "I have a friend that...." Never once have I read of anyone coming back with conclusive proof that it actually works.

I value my gear too much to bother with the experiment myself. Until someone can proove this myth beyond a reasonable doubt, I still remain highly skeptical.

You wanna "dry out" your A Custom........sell it and buy a K. :-)

[planetzildjian]

Originally Posted by Pocket-full-of-gold

Nearly three years old. What was the end result? Did it actually work? Or was it just another way of selling a $500 cymbal for $700 or $800?

I've read numerous threads here at DW and other forums where it's been discussed........unfortunately it's always "I've heard about..." or "I have a friend that...." Never once have I read of anyone coming back with conclusive proof that it actually works.

I value my gear too much to bother with the experiment myself. Until someone can proove this myth beyond a reasonable doubt, I still remain highly skeptical.

You wanna "dry out" your A Custom........sell it and buy a K. :-)

I would start out small and bury a 8" Wuhan splash and see what happens? Or better yet..bury some ZBT's and see if they turn in to some A-Custom after a year in the ground. :/

Seriously, there was a video of the exsuming of the Sabian cymbals..That's how I heard about it, I watched it on youtube (or it might have been on their website?) Anyway.. all the big wigs were there from the Sabian company and there was champagne flowing, and it also showed them being put in special wooden crates to ship out. I'm guessing Sabian deleted the vid on youtube...they only buried 100 rides and after that I guess there wasn't any evidence to prove any thing.

Maybe put them in wine barrels and see if they age well?

[Muckster]

As Far as I know, Sabian only offered "buried" or "soil aged" cymbals one time through thier "One of 100" campaign about 2 1/2 years ago. They took one hundred 21" Artisan Medium rides and buried them for eight months. They did this due to questions from customers about the sound characteristics of cymbals aged in that fashion.

As I remember, since it was a limited program, they were quite pricey.

[G-2]

Buy used, they come pre-aged ;-)

[planetzildjian]

I dug up the youtube video of the zombie cymbals from Sabian....have a look it's kind of interesting.
http://youtu.be/7lfSaC6UrgY

[19drum94]

Originally Posted by G-2

Buy used, they come pre-aged ;-)

No. I heard the actual preaged cymbals are aged for a while. Like 20 years or something like that.

[G-2]

Originally Posted by 19drum94

No. I heard the actual preaged cymbals are aged for a while. Like 20 years or something like that.

Um yea, so if you get cymbals from the 90's, 80's, 70's, or before, How are you not buying the pre-aged cymbals???????

[Pocket-full-of-gold]

Originally Posted by G-2

Buy used, they come pre-aged ;-)

Yep.......and they're a hell of a lot cheaper too!!

Originally Posted by G-2

How are you not buying the pre-aged cymbals???????

Screw burying them in the ground. I couldn't think of a better "pre-aging" process than cymbals that have been played for 20 odd years.

[G-2]

Originally Posted by Pocket-full-of-gold

Yep.......and they're a hell of a lot cheaper too!!

Screw burying them in the ground. I couldn't think of a better "pre-aging" process than cymbals that have been played for 20 odd years.

+1000, I always look to pick up my cymbals from AT LEAST 10 years ago, most of my best sounding cymbals are from the 60's, 70's, 80's, & 90's

[19drum94]

Originally Posted by G-2

Um yea, so if you get cymbals from the 90's, 80's, 70's, or before, How are you not buying the pre-aged cymbals???????

True but I know what the pre aged light ride sounds like. The only place I can ever buy vintage cymbals is off of ebay. Most do not have logos and I cant even tell what model they are.

[G-2]

Originally Posted by 19drum94

True but I know what the pre aged light ride sounds like. The only place I can ever buy vintage cymbals is off of ebay. Most do not have logos and I cant even tell what model they are.

How do you know what the pre aged light ride sounds like? How many have you listened to side by side? Did you know you can actually ascertain a good bit of knowledge about a cymbal type based on the weight and age of the stamp (not the logo but the actual stamp)? Have you ever looked on craigs list?

[19drum94]

I finally got mine in nearly perfect condition for $180 on ebay.

[keep it simple]

Originally Posted by 19drum94

I finally got mine in nearly perfect condition for $180 on ebay.

Surely the whole point is for it not to be in perfect condition?

[jornthedrummer]

I am a mechanical engineer and disagree that age alone changes the sound of a cymbal. Take a cymbal and store it in vacuum for 1000 years and it will sound exactly the same as before.
Grime and oxidization can perhaps change the sound and can be accelerated by burying the cymbal in the ground.

Drums is another matter as KIS have pointed out on another thread. Evaporation of volatile organic compounds takes place. Drying of the wood, etc.

In addition to the grime and oxidization of older cymbals we must also consider that manufacturing processes was more crude and less controlled back then. This leads to variation and therefore variation in sound. Heat treatment parameters, hammering and machining processes and the alloys themselves. Impurities in the alloys we may not have today.

[jodgey4]

Originally Posted by jornthedrummer

I am a mechanical engineer and disagree that age alone changes the sound of a cymbal. Take a cymbal and store it in vacuum for 1000 years and it will sound exactly the same as before.

I disagree. After a cymbal is hammered it takes a few days before it sounds 'normal' and ready for sale. There has to be some continued long-term change, no matter how minute. Maybe not noticeable beyond 20 years or whatever, but an effect nonetheless.

[tamadrm]

Originally Posted by Pocket-full-of-gold

Yep.......and they're a hell of a lot cheaper too!!



Screw burying them in the ground. I couldn't think of a better "pre-aging" process than cymbals that have been played for 20 odd years.

There ya go.But some guy told me ,that you take a K Zildjian,set it on fire,put the fire out with cat urine.Then you hold it above your head and scream like Roger Daltry in Won't Get Fooled Again,and hit it with a ball peen hammer a few times..then bury it in the ground,wrapped in an old WW II army blanket,and cover it with circus elephant dung,for 40 days,and 40 nights.

When you dig it up,it will sound almost exactly like Bonzos Paiste ride cymbal on the first Zep album.No kidding.:)

Steve B

Steve B

[B-squared]

I own a Zildjian Pre-Aged Dry Light Ride that I bought in the 90's. I have no idea how it was made and I didn't realize until recently that Zildjian wasn't making them anymore, and I have heard they are getting to be kind of a vintage item today. I like the thing, but I look at my cymbals collectively as a set as opposed to individual cymbals and this one fits my set nicely.

[19drum94]

Originally Posted by keep it simple

Surely the whole point is for it not to be in perfect condition?

I ment that it has no keyholing or cracks or flea bites of any kind.