help! need to make decision quick

[bmeat]

hey guys. my mom is at gutiar center doing me a favor and i need to know which kit you guys think is better. both come with the same amount of hardware, and i will be selling my friend the cymbals.

ive narrowed it down to tama imperialstar, or pdp mainstage. which of the two would you guys pick?

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Tama-Imp...68-i1981773.gc

http://www.guitarcenter.com/PDP-Main...05-i1525206.gc

also does anyone know if the pdp has a steel snare or a wooden one? how about the imperialstar?
thanks

[Pocket-full-of-gold]

Wasn't it a quick and uninformed decision that lead you to buy the wrong cymbals only a day or so ago? You narrowed down your cymbal selections to a couple you had never heard before too, no?

Go and try them mate. Spend some time listening to what you like and make a rational decision. Don't just jump on a kit because your mum is at GC right this minute. That's just silly. Don't make the same mistake twice!

[alparrott]

A moment of impulse leads to a month of regret. Never buy anything worth over one dollar on impulse. Research, test, spend some time with it before you buy, to make sure you'll want to AFTER you buy.

[bmeat]

i got the cymbals i wanted, and im just wondering which kit is better. i called gutiar center, unfortuantly they dont have either of these kits in store, so i need your guys help

[GRUNTERSDAD]

Dude I picked up a 1600.00 kit for 650.00 because I was patient and looked. I was trying to decide between 2 kits. did my research, listened to them, and in the meanwhile the kit I have now showed up on Craigslist. Both of those kits are entry level and you will be tired of them or wanting to replace the cheap hardware in a years time. You will find them hard to tune and be bitterly disappointed. I know you have a gift card and it's burning a hole in your pocket but as the others have said, you are making a big mistake.

[bmeat]

i do and it is for much less now. i understand where you all are coming from but i am buying one of these two. please give me opinions on which is a better kit, they are both the same price. imo the pdp looks cooler with black hardware

gc baiscally told me they would give me either the pdp or the tama at the price of my blackhawk, which was 100 less, but i need to pick one asap

[Pocket-full-of-gold]

Then if you're absolutely not prepared to put even a seconds thought into this, get the Tama. If you bothered to search up either of these kits here you would have found that PDP don't have the best of reputations.

But as you've shown a habit of not listening to a solitary peice of advice you've been offered across several threads now, I'd better just say, enjoy your new PDP.

[tamadrm]

Ok when you said The PDP cause it looks cooler....Its has to SOUND COOLER.Ok you've already gone through one entry level kit and now you want to make a lateral purchase?You're spinning your wheels here.I mean they aren't bad drums,the Imperialstars actually sound ok...but you need to know how to tune properly with out that drum dial nonsence.

Your gift card is good at any guitar center.Keep looking and buy used if you can.You can get pro or close to pro level quality drums used for almost the same as you want to spend on drums you may hate in a year.

Take your time..slow down.You have a kit now right?So unless you're on tour and go on stage in an hour...there is no emergency.And don't say yeah I know....because to know and not yet do..is not to know.

Some of the drummers here have been playing before you were born.Between myself and just a couple of guys who posted here to give you advice you couldn't even pay for, is based on years of making mistakes we have all made ...by not listening to those who know better.

Take our advice...slow down..play what you have...keep looking...and get something that will sound great to your ears for years to come.

P.S.Pocket...do you think we have a budding Joey here?

Steve B

[GRUNTERSDAD]

Joey II, the spawn.......

[bobdadruma]

Haste makes waste.
Try before you buy.
Those kits that you are considering are stock items in many music stores in the USA.
I would get a Mapex Meridian instead of those kits.

[Pocket-full-of-gold]

Originally Posted by tamadrm

P.S.Pocket...do you think we have a budding Joey here?

So confident, I've just bet the farm on it.......and I'm gonna collect too. ;-)

[bobdadruma]

Joey the second indeed!
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[bmeat]

so you say the tama>pdp? is that just becuase i said the pdp looks better?

it says in this review that the desgin is flawless
http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/d...-427697/review

[bobdadruma]

Yea, That's it!
You liked the pdp kit better so he told you to get the Tama.

[Pocket-full-of-gold]

Originally Posted by bmeat

it says in this review that the desgin is flawless
http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/d...-427697/review

Then enjoy your new PDP mate.

[GRUNTERSDAD]

Originally Posted by bmeat

so you say the tama>pdp? is that just becuase i said the pdp looks better?

it says in this review that the desgin is flawless
http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/d...-427697/review

,
Designs are only on paper.

[random]

Originally Posted by bobdadruma

Joey the second indeed!
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That's a big ten-four.

Kid, these fellas know what they're talking about. You'd do well to listen.

[bmeat]

so imperialstar>mainstage? and you fucks my name is not joey

[caddywumpus]

Originally Posted by bmeat

so imperialstar>mainstage? and you [****s] my name is not joey

Best not to insult the very people who you are asking for help. Also, cursing isn't allowed on this forum. Better re-read those forum rules you read when you signed up for a DW account.

When you ask for advice or opinions, they are what they are--other people's advice and opinions. The final decision is your call, but there is much wisdom and experience on this forum. If there is an overwhelming consensus in one direction, there's a reason for that. As for me, I have no opinion on the matter. I'd recommend getting a Sonor Safari if you're looking for cheap, or better yet, something of higher-quality but used.

Good luck with your decision, and let us know what you decide. Starting a new thread with pics of your new kit is pretty standard operating procedure around here...

[Pocket-full-of-gold]

Originally Posted by bmeat

so imperialstar>mainstage? and you fucks my name is not joey

Neither know nor care. But I'd back a Tama made kit over a PDP made kit any day of the week. Seriously, do some reading here on DW. PDP just don't have the greatest of reputations (whether it's mainstage, backstage, sidestage or any other part of the entertainment arena). Tama do, they've been at it a long while.

Alright, you may not be Joey, but I swear the two of you must have been separated at birth.

[jkevn]

Originally Posted by Pocket-full-of-gold

Alright, you may not be Joey, but I swear the two of you must have been separated at birth.

they are at least cousins....


bmeat, we're just pokin fun....but, for goodness sakes, get the Tama....it is the better of the two...and lets get to playing instead of talkin in circles.

[bobdadruma]

OK, First off, There is never a need to make a "Quick Decision" when It comes to buying new gear.
The drums will be available tomorrow.

Second of all, You are looking at entry level kits.
The moment that you leave the store the kit is worth less than half of what you pay for it new.
The kits that you are looking at can be found used in abundance for a few hundred dollars.
I buy entry level kits used to leave at practice places because I can replace them if something happens to them with just a click of a button.
Most of the entry level kits that are sold used were hardly played at all.

I just re-read your threads.
My God! You didn't listen to one thing that anyone said to you.

You can buy a used $1500 dollar kit at GC for about the amount of the store credit that you have.
GC has a large selection of used gear that they will ship to the store near you for free.

You can buy a used pro cymbal that cost $300 new for about $150 used on eBay.
I have some pro cymbals in my collection that I bought used almost 30 years ago.
I still like them and I play them often. A quality cymbal never goes out of style.
Talk about getting your money worth!

I also buy quality snare drums used for about half the price of new.

You came here to learn.
I suggest that you Listen and learn.
Throwing away $900 on something that you can buy for $300 is stupid when you know better.

[bmeat]

okay apologizes for the vulgarity and i do appreciate all your help and opinions. i understand i can get a nicer kit at a better price used, but i want a new kit it is just a matter of prefrence, and youre right im putting down a lot of money, but they gave me -100 on the kit and i sold the pair of cymbals that will come with one of these kits for 150 and got zbts. my parents said it was fine for me to treat myself to a 20th bday present to play music so i got the ok. i undestand its all garbage entry level stuff, but i know ill like it becuase i was loving my junkier blackhawk kit, but it was no shipped with any packing material at all and there was a hole in the side of the bass, drum from the box being punctured, TWICE. not going to try my 3rd chance packed like that. but id appreciate the help with these two kits.

also does anyone know if the pdp has a steel snare or a wooden one? how about the imperialstar?

[bmeat]

also does anyone know if the pdp has a steel snare or a wooden one? how about the imperialstar?

and dont misunderstand i appreciate everyone whos helping me, your opinions matter much on the subject, id have no one else to turn to that has experience like you guys

[bobdadruma]

What kind of Birthday treat will it be when you will only be happy with your gift for a short while?
Why not wait and buy something that you will enjoy for years?
The stuff that you are buying is no better than what you have.

It doesn't matter what snare comes with the pdp kit because it is an inexpensive drum that you will tire of soon after you get it.

Why not take the credit cash and buy a nice snare and some real nice cymbals?
Two things that you will enjoy for years to come.

[Pocket-full-of-gold]

Originally Posted by bmeat

my parents said it was fine for me to treat myself to a 20th bday present to play music so i got the ok.

Dude!?!?!?

I need a drink.....strong one!!

[bobdadruma]

I'll meet you at the pub Pocket.
I'll buy the first round.

[bmeat]

also does anyone know if the pdp has a steel snare or a wooden one? how about the imperialstar?
thanks


and fyi the zbts sound good. the hats could be better closed though, and my ride is black for some reason..likes its oxidiozed or something?..my only gripes about them. otherwise very happy

also what music do you guys like to jam out to that isnt too complicated? so far its been fun to try and play stuff like 311, system of a down, audioslave, incubus, yellowcard, chevelle becuase they are easy and fun to play. i also got a nice pearl double pedal but im gonna try and master single first i think

[zarrdoss]

Originally Posted by bmeat

also does anyone know if the pdp has a steel snare or a wooden one? how about the imperialstar?

and dont misunderstand i appreciate everyone whos helping me, your opinions matter much on the subject, id have no one else to turn to that has experience like you guys

they're both wood snares. and you probably wont like either of them,

[gonado]

I think giving my opinion is useless because dude you just made your choice
I'm with all the guys here that you should wait I think yesterday I saw a 3 piece used SC maple for 750 but you want new so...
and I don't think it matters if I say tama is a strong name and have one of the better quality hardware and drums around because you're going to buy the PDP becuase it looks better

and answering to your question I'm pretty sure both come with wood snares

and I think you like the zbt becuase you haven't heard better yet

[GRUNTERSDAD]

I like a good polka party to drum to. And a one.....Oktoberfest, Polka bands. Is there anything better. I loved my time spent in Munchen during Oktober.

[bmeat]

one says both metal..other says both wood. anyone know?

[gonado]

is wood I was wrong just check it into the tama site

[bobdadruma]

Wow, You're 20 years old?
When I was 19 I bought a 7 piece Gretsch Rosewood finish kit with a chrome over brass snare.
I still have the kit.
I still love the snare.
I also bought a set of Paiste 2oo2 rides and hats. I still love them.

[bmeat]

thanks..it isnt listed there..but i got the model # from tamas website and it said the model number is supposedly IWS55

http://www.mcmusic.ro/product_view.p...ProductID=2647

it says poplar..that means wood correct?

[bobdadruma]

Poplar is an inexpensive wood that entry drum shells are made of.

[bmeat]

Originally Posted by bobdadruma

Wow, You're 20 years old?
When I was 19 I bought a 7 piece Gretsch Rosewood finish kit with a chrome over brass snare.
I still have the kit.
I still love the snare.
I also bought a set of Paiste 2oo2 rides and hats. I still love them.

yeah..just starting to drum. my bro is a youngin and pro at gutiar. i cant be the only non musically inclinded sibling ;) that is my excuse for purchase haha

and i understand that, its a hardwood and is below all the other woods mahogany alder birch maple

how about the pdp snare? wood, steel anyone with the kit?

[gonado]

Originally Posted by bobdadruma

Wow, You're 20 years old?
When I was 19 I bought a 7 piece Gretsch Rosewood finish kit with a chrome over brass snare.
I still have the kit.
I still love the snare.
I also bought a set of Paiste 2oo2 rides and hats. I still love them.

at thta age I had a nice SC perf very gooood drums and you can get them for cheap right now

for the picture the PDP looks like wood too

[zarrdoss]

Originally Posted by bmeat

thanks..it isnt listed there..but i got the model # from tamas website and it said the model number is supposedly IWS55

http://www.mcmusic.ro/product_view.p...ProductID=2647

it says poplar..that means wood correct?

poplar is a hardwood, what most entry level kits are made of. both snares are wood they usually don't wrap a metal snare, just chrome it or paint it black on the entry level kits.

your getting a double pedal already and not much hard wear so why don't you get this instead?

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Mapex-Ho...03-i1788084.gc

[bobdadruma]

That is an example of how a wise purchase can last for decades.
I bought those drums and cymbals in the mid 1970s.
I also had New Beat hats