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Old 09-09-2011, 01:00 AM
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Default Buying new heads. Which are best for my kit for metal?

Hi, I'm buying new heads to trade out my stock ones. I want good sounding heads for metal (Slipknot mainly), and I was wondering what would be best for my kit and what thinks I should know before buying heads.

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Gretsch Catalina Maple 6 piece:
22x18 kick
10x8 and 12x9 toms
14x14 and 16x16 floor toms
14x6 snare

I know 0 about buy drum heads, so any tips?
The ones I've been looking at are:
Evans G2 Clear for the toms,
Not sure about the snare or bass.
And Remo Clear Emperors for toms,
again not sure about the snare or bass drum.
If you have anything else, feel free to say whatever. Thanks.
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Old 09-09-2011, 01:25 AM
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There is no one true answer to your question.
There is no formula that looks like this,
(brand of kit) x (type of shell) divided by (musical genre) = perfect sound that the drummer is looking for.
Drumming is a journey and a learning experience.
You have to follow your own path.
You have to do your own research.
You have to select your own heads.
You have to spend time experimenting with tuning.
You have to find the sound that you like.

You will own many drum heads during your lifetime.
You will learn something from every head that you put on your kit.

By the way, Don't look to buy a head that will produce a sound that you hear on an album.
Music is recorded in studios and the sound that you hear on an album is not the sound that you will hear when you play your kit live.
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Old 09-09-2011, 01:32 AM
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There is no one true answer to your question.
There is no formula that looks like this,
(brand of kit) x (type of shell) divided by (musical genre) = perfect sound that the drummer is looking for.
Drumming is a journey and a learning experience.
You have to follow your own path.
You have to do your own research.
You have to select your own heads.
You have to spend time experimenting with tuning.
You have to find the sound that you like.

You will own many drum heads during your lifetime.
You will learn something from every head that you put on your kit.

By the way, Don't look to buy a head that will produce a sound that you hear on an album.
Music is recorded in studios and the sound that you hear on an album is not the sound that you will hear when you play your kit live.
Yeah, I know. I've heard the whole thing about playing what you think sounds good and whatever. And I know there is no simple answer. I am mainly looking for opinions. By the way, I still like the sound of Joey Jordison's kit when he's live, so I'm not just going by how it sounds in the studio because that would be stupid of me.
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Old 09-09-2011, 02:07 AM
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Any live kit that is amplified would also have its sound manipulated, so you can't trust that either.

You won't get any better advice than what Bob gave you, so off to GC and find out for yourself what you like.

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Old 09-09-2011, 02:21 AM
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I usually recommend the following to any of my metal drumming brothers. (If deep and dead is what you're after)

For toms:
-Aquarian Performance II (super easy to tune, and last forever)
-Evans EC2's clears or Hydraulic

For Snare (depends whether it's metal or wood)
-Aquarian Studio-X coated w/dot
-Aquarian Hi-Energy (extremely heavy, great for very hard hitters)
-Remo Powerstroke 3 coated w/dot
- or my ultimate favorite ever, Remo Control Sound coated.

For Bass
-Evans Emad II or GMAD
-Aquarian Superkick II
-Remo Powerstroke 3 (if you want more bite than bump)
-Remo's new Powersonic Pro

again, you just need to experiment. Every drum will prefer a different head so there are no real short/quick answers as other have already stated. So off to Sam Ash you go! ;)
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Old 09-09-2011, 02:50 AM
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Thanks, Jazz for being the only person for giving a legit reply. (:
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Old 09-09-2011, 03:19 AM
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I gave you a legit reply.
The same head combinations that have been mentioned can be tuned differently and any other kind of music can be played on them.

I have used all of those heads for Blues, Country, Moderate Rock, and Jazz.
It just depends on the sound that I am after.

Try, experiment, and have fun with different heads.
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Old 09-09-2011, 03:41 AM
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I gave you a legit reply.
The same head combinations that have been mentioned can be tuned differently and any other kind of music can be played on them.

I have used all of those heads for Blues, Country, Moderate Rock, and Jazz.
It just depends on the sound that I am after.

Try, experiment, and have fun with different heads.
Not really, dude. You just told me something I already know and didn't help me out much.
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Old 09-09-2011, 04:02 AM
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If you already knew what bob had said, you would know that it is the drummer that makes the sound, not the gear, and that any heads can be used for any genre of music. Discovering you own personal sound is an adventure to be taken with joy, not something that others can decide for you.
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Old 09-09-2011, 04:04 AM
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Perhaps this is not the right forum if you're looking for help to form your own opinion. Good luck with the suggestions provided earlier, they're all great heads.

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Not really, dude. You just told me something I already know and didn't help me out much.
Hey "dude", you need to chill out. Be grateful for the people who took their time to answer to your asked-a-million-times-could-have-used-the-search-function-or-simply-googled-it question, and be respectful.

You're not gonna do well here if you keep with this attitude. Think about it and welcome to the forum.

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PS: Remo Clear Pinstripes on the toms, Coated Emperor or Emperor X on snare and Powerstroke 3 on the bass should work for a beefy heavy rock sound.
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Old 09-09-2011, 05:21 AM
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I have a friend who is in a Metal band. I just bought a Jimmy DeGrasso hammered brass SD (pictured elsewhere on this forum) that came with an Evans reverse dot batter head. I play jazz primarily and was not happy with it for that. I sold it cheap (practically new) to my friend and he really likes it for metal. Anecdotal information.
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Old 09-09-2011, 05:50 AM
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I guess you guys didn't understand so much what I was asking. All I wanted were people who play metal's opinions on heads. And if they have the same kit, what heads they like.
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Just buy whatever Joey Jordison has on his kit (or endorser page) so we don't have to go through another "what should I get to make my kit sound exactly like a pro studio produced album?" thread. These threads do usually garner a laugh from me though. Maybe it is best I say- Fiberskyn batters. Then you can say " Those are not what he uses" and we can go from there?
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Old 09-09-2011, 09:53 AM
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Evans heads have alot of good sounding attack but i actually just switched to remo ambassator x and i love them even more.
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It's awesome when people who ask questions that are not as easily answered as they may think, disrespect those that attempt to give them some guidance.

Talk about no appreciation. Damn 15 year old Joey jordison fan boys.
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Mostly i hear one of the best to get are Aquarian clear response heads for the toms and hi-energy batter for snare.
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It's awesome when people who ask questions that are not as easily answered as they may think, disrespect those that attempt to give them some guidance.

Talk about no appreciation. Damn 15 year old Joey jordison fan boys.
Yep.

Protip: Jordison triggers his drums. You're never ever going to get your kit to sound like that no matter what head combination you put on it unless you record it, EQ and compress the living crap out of it and otherwise effect it. Or buy your own triggers. But unless you're playing at ridiculous speeds, triggers are completely unnecessary... and the only way you'd sound like Jordison sans triggers is if you PLAYED like Jordison sans triggers.
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Old 09-09-2011, 01:46 PM
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Anything in Black. :) It will look really cool.
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It's awesome when people who ask questions that are not as easily answered as they may think, disrespect those that attempt to give them some guidance.

Talk about no appreciation. Damn 15 year old Joey jordison fan boys.
Way to assume! I'm a girl, but thanks. And say anything sexist you want. I really could care less.
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Anything in Black. :) It will look really cool.
Amen to that. Thanks!
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Yep.

Protip: Jordison triggers his drums. You're never ever going to get your kit to sound like that no matter what head combination you put on it unless you record it, EQ and compress the living crap out of it and otherwise effect it. Or buy your own triggers. But unless you're playing at ridiculous speeds, triggers are completely unnecessary... and the only way you'd sound like Jordison sans triggers is if you PLAYED like Jordison sans triggers.
Damn. I already know that he uses effects and whatever. I already know that my kit will not sound like his. I was using him as an example as the sound I was going for. Another example is Matt Greiner. I just want some opinions.
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Evans heads have alot of good sounding attack but i actually just switched to remo ambassator x and i love them even more.
I was thinking ambassadors or emperors, but I've heard they don't last long. Sound over durability? Thanks.
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Just buy whatever Joey Jordison has on his kit (or endorser page) so we don't have to go through another "what should I get to make my kit sound exactly like a pro studio produced album?" thread. These threads do usually garner a laugh from me though. Maybe it is best I say- Fiberskyn batters. Then you can say " Those are not what he uses" and we can go from there?
I was using that sound as an example purely because he is my favorite drummer. I don't care about if he uses them or not.. Why would I even bother with you guys if I already know what he uses?
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Yep.

Protip: Jordison triggers his drums. You're never ever going to get your kit to sound like that no matter what head combination you put on it unless you record it, EQ and compress the living crap out of it and otherwise effect it. Or buy your own triggers. But unless you're playing at ridiculous speeds, triggers are completely unnecessary... and the only way you'd sound like Jordison sans triggers is if you PLAYED like Jordison sans triggers.
Seconded.
Take a look at The Rev recording for Avenged Sevenfold on YouTube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfD34LOrnNk . His drums live in the studio sound nothing like what they do on the album.
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Seconded.
Take a look at The Rev recording for Avenged Sevenfold on YouTube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfD34LOrnNk . His drums live in the studio sound nothing like what they do on the album.
No worries. I hate Avenged Sevenfold.
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I'd start with Emporers, and then decide if you want a more muffled head next time round (Pinstripes) or a thinner more open head like an Ambassador.

Very basically (and apologies if you already know this) : -

Remo Ambassador (or Evans G1) = 1 ply
Remo Ambassador X (slightly thicker)
Remo Emporer (or Evans G2) = 2 ply
Remo Emporer X (slightly thicker)
Remo Pinstripe (or Evans Hydraulic) = 2 ply +muffling-ring (or +oil inbetween the plys in the case of the Hydraulic, so it is more dead sounding).

Plus a ton more from other makes, all different thicknesses, different characteristics, etc.

Obviously the 2 ply will be more durable, but 1 ply should last you a while too.

I tend to go between Ambassadors and Emporers (or Vintage Emporers) depending on my mood at the moment of purchase. I've spent years trying different heads, and these are the 2 I tend to stick with at the moment. I've never found either really limits what sort of music I can play. Nobody in the band has ever turned round and said "hmm I think you should of gone for 2 ply". I play pop, rock and sometimes metal.

Remember the tuning will make a huge difference too and is critical for getting a good sound (maybe more so on thinner heads). The drums themselves probably have the least affect on the sound so you may as well just copy the set up you like the sound of and go from there, it's the closest you'll get to the sound, IMHO.

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I'd start with Emporers, and then decide if you want a more muffled head next time round (Pinstripes) or a thinner more open head like an Ambassador.

Very basically (and apologies if you already know this) : -

Remo Ambassador (or Evans G1) = 1 ply
Remo Ambassador X (slightly thicker)
Remo Emporer (or Evans G2) = 2 ply
Remo Emporer X (slightly thicker)
Remo Pinstripe (or Evans Hydraulic) = 2 ply +muffling-ring (or +oil inbetween the plys in the case of the Hydraulic, so it is more dead sounding).

Plus a ton more from other makes, all different thicknesses, different characteristics, etc.

Obviously the 2 ply will be more durable, but 1 ply should last you a while too.

I tend to go between Ambassadors and Emporers (or Vintage Emporers) depending on my mood at the moment of purchase. I've spent years trying different heads, and these are the 2 I tend to stick with at the moment. I've never found either really limits what sort of music I can play. Nobody in the band has ever turned round and said "hmm I think you should of gone for 2 ply". I play pop, rock and sometimes metal.

Remember the tuning will make a huge difference too and is critical for getting a good sound (maybe more so on thinner heads). The drums themselves probably have the least affect on the sound so you may as well just copy the set up you like the sound of and go from there, it's the closest you'll get to the sound, IMHO.

Hope that helps.
Thanks, you helped me out a lot(:
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I think Hydraulics are a very specific sound, and only really work in a small number of situations. If you're jamming in the bedroom or garage they'll sound pretty cool, but they don't work well beyond that. They just don't project well because they cut all of the higher overtones an audience perceives as pitch and attack.

I'd suggest an EC2. They have some control and a nice tone and are pretty durable. A G1 or G Plus on bottom would be my first choice to pair with pretty much any batter head.

For Bass Drum an EMAD batter with EQ3 front gives a good controlled thump without a need for any other muffling.

Snare Drum would get an ST Dry with a 300 or 500 snare side.

I'd also like to mention that the Evans website has sound samples that are worth a listen to get a better idea of the character of a particular head.

http://www.evansdrumheads.com/EvansProfileDurable.page

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I think Hydraulics are a very specific sound, and only really work in a small number of situations. If you're jamming in the bedroom or garage they'll sound pretty cool, but they don't work well beyond that. They just don't project well because they cut all of the higher overtones an audience perceives as pitch and attack.

I'd suggest an EC2. They have some control and a nice tone and are pretty durable. A G1 or G Plus on bottom would be my first choice to pair with pretty much any batter head.

For Bass Drum an EMAD batter with EQ3 front gives a good controlled thump without a need for any other muffling.

Snare Drum would get an ST Dry with a 300 or 500 snare side.

I'd also like to mention that the Evans website has sound samples that are worth a listen to get a better idea of the character of a particular head.

http://www.evansdrumheads.com/EvansProfileDurable.page
Wow, the sound samples thing is super helpful, so thanks. And yeah I was thinking something like EC2/G1 for toms and I'm not sure on snare yet. Then something like that for bass. Thanks(:
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Way to assume! I'm a girl, but thanks. And say anything sexist you want. I really could care less.
Not that any of this matters..but

"fan boys" does not denote sex, despite 'boys' being in the name, its a general expression

I made no assumptions, I saw people giving you very good answers and you shooting them down.

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OK, lets all just chill out.
When you post a thread that asks a question people will read it and they will respond based on how they interpret what you have asked in the way that they comprehend it.

You will get many answers to your question.
The best thing to do is to take the information that you want and just disregard the rest.
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I was at a clinic last night, for Shawn Drover, Megadeath, and he had Evans coated G2 on the toms and an Evans HD Dry on the snare. If it's good enough for him......
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These were all great pieces of advice. I'd say just go with Evans G2s for toms and for the snare batter because they are a great head that sounds good for everything. Next time you buy heads, determine what you did and did not like about them and purchase accordingly.

Welcome aboard, I hope we didn't scare you away. :)

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These were all great pieces of advice. I'd say just go with Evans G2s for toms and for the snare batter because they are a great head that sounds good for everything. Next time you buy heads, determine what you did and did not like about them and purchase accordingly.

Welcome aboard, I hope we didn't scare you away. :)
Haha, thank you. Every online place has jerks, so I don't care. I think I am leaning towards Evans for my first heads.
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I was at a clinic last night, for Shawn Drover, Megadeath, and he had Evans coated G2 on the toms and an Evans HD Dry on the snare. If it's good enough for him......
I don't know much about the HD Dry, but if it's good enough for him, hell.
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Old 09-10-2011, 02:13 AM
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Haha, thank you. Every online place has jerks, so I don't care. I think I am leaning towards Evans for my first heads.
Trust me, Bob is no jerk. He's kind of like Yoda, he really wants what is best for you, but he wants you to earn it. :D

Another thing, for the Snare someone suggested a Remo Coated Controlled Sound. Those are very good heads. I've had bad experiences with the Remo coating so I would heartily recommend a Evans Powercenter Reverse dot which is their equivalent. Here is a clip that should be helpful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j20vKUY3rR8

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Trust me, Bob is no jerk. He's kind of like Yoda, he really wants what is best for you, but he wants you to earn it. :D

Another thing, for the Snare someone suggested a Remo Coated Controlled Sound. Those are very good heads. I've had bad experiences with the Remo coating so I would heartily recommend a Evans Powercenter Reverse dot which is their equivalent.
So how about that for the snare, Evans G2/Evans G1 for toms, and like Evans EMAD for the bass? Any reso suggestions, anyone?
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