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Old 08-30-2011, 02:28 PM
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Default Felt Bass Drum Muffler Modern Version

I wanted to maks traditional felt bass drum muffler for my 16 inch bass drum.
I looked around the house and I found that I had a whole bunch of black nylon carry straps that came with various cases, bags, etc.

I cut a piece of one of the black nylon straps and I made the "Felt" muffler.
I used a lighter to melt the nylon where I cut the strap so that it wouldn't fray at the ends.

It looks and works great!
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Old 09-07-2011, 02:53 AM
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Does it not make it harder to tune on the left side? It seems like it would make the tension on the rims uneven because it's slightly lifted, but maybe that's not an issue if you tighten it less?
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Old 09-07-2011, 02:59 AM
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drumr_102 must be relatively young. The felt strip was the only way to muffle a bass drum back in the old days. Tuning shouldn't be a problem, like everything else, you just adjust. I'm surprised you didn't just have a spare felt strip laying around, Bob. Or should I say - why are you muffling the little bass drum to begin with? The ring is definitely gone by the time you get five feet in front of the kit!
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drumr_102 must be relatively young. The felt strip was the only way to muffle a bass drum back in the old days. Tuning shouldn't be a problem, like everything else, you just adjust.
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Old 09-07-2011, 03:23 AM
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I am, but I'm learning ;)
Good comeback!

Bob, aren't those nylon straps too thick to do this job? No warping of the rim? I haven't tried it yet but was going to get some proper felt for my Sonor jungle 16" kick. Should only be a few bucks I hope..

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Old 09-07-2011, 04:00 AM
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Good comeback!

Bob, aren't those nylon straps too thick to do this job? No warping of the rim? I haven't tried it yet but was going to get some proper felt for my Sonor jungle 16" kick. Should only be a few bucks I hope..

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I selected a thin strap. It is just slightly thicker than a seat belt. It is also woven so it is soft and flexible.

There are two thicknesses of felt strips that are sold for this purpose, Thin and Thick.
The thick felt is pretty thick. As thick as the black nylon strap that I selected.

I have seen folks use all sorts of fabric over the years. I have even see the legs cut from woman's tights used.
I had a whole bunch of the black straps so I decided to use one.
Don't forget, I began to play in the sixties.
This is the way that we did it back then.
I was going for vintage.
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Does it not make it harder to tune on the left side? It seems like it would make the tension on the rims uneven because it's slightly lifted, but maybe that's not an issue if you tighten it less?
The bass drum isn't tensioned very tight.
The head stretches around the fabric strip.
It is not unlike a snare head molding itself to the curve of the snare bed.
You notice no difference while tuning. Tune as you always do.
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why are you muffling the little bass drum to begin with? The ring is definitely gone by the time you get five feet in front of the kit!
I am playing the kit in low volume jazz settings. I am tuning the bass reso just slightly tight.
I was getting just a slight bit more ring from the Diplomat weight Fiberskin reso than I wanted.
The drum is now sounding like a larger drum than it is.
I am using a PS3 as the batter head with no added dampening.
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I selected a thin strap. It is just slightly thicker than a seat belt. It is also woven so it is soft and flexible.

There are two thicknesses of felt strips that are sold for this purpose, Thin and Thick.
The thick felt is pretty thick. As thick as the black nylon strap that I selected.

I have seen folks use all sorts of fabric over the years. I have even see the legs cut from woman's tights used.
I had a whole bunch of the black straps so I decided to use one.
Don't forget, I began to play in the sixties.
This is the way that we did it back then.
I was going for vintage.
Thanks Bob, it's great to learn all these things from this forum (and you). I only recently got back into drumming, after having to sell my kit in 1984 to pay for uni fees. I had a electronic kit for a while, but that's very much a solo event. With my recent purchases (one being a Sonor Jungle) I've been able to get back into making music with friends, and man it's good, feels like coming home...

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Old 09-07-2011, 10:46 AM
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I am playing the kit in low volume jazz settings. I am tuning the bass reso just slightly tight.
I was getting just a slight bit more ring from the Diplomat weight Fiberskin reso than I wanted.
The drum is now sounding like a larger drum than it is.
I am using a PS3 as the batter head with no added dampening.
It'd be interesting if you tried actual calf heads on that bass drum. Funnier if you could get a front reso calf skin head with the fur still on it! That would probably give you the weight and thickness you need for a nice semi-quiet thump.
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It'd be interesting if you tried actual calf heads on that bass drum. Funnier if you could get a front reso calf skin head with the fur still on it! That would probably give you the weight and thickness you need for a nice semi-quiet thump.
I have thought about that Bo.
I haven't played real skin since I was a kid.
They are not in the budget at the moment.
The constant tuning is the thing that I remember most about real skin heads.
I am getting a sound that I like right now and I did just spend $80 on bass drum heads.
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Back in the day I used an old sheet torn into 3 inch wide strips. Those straps look way to thick to me Bob and like they may warp the hoop. It also looks like it's on the out side of the head. Is it? You don't need anything too thick since it is in contact with the entire length of the drum head.
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I have thought about that Bo.
I haven't played real skin since I was a kid.
They are not in the budget at the moment.
The constant tuning is the thing that I remember most about real skin heads.
I am getting a sound that I like right now and I did just spend $80 on bass drum heads.
I had forgotten about the constant tuning thing. And the cost of real calf heads would make the $80 you spent pale. Nevermind ;)
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My first snare drum in orchestra in High School had a calf head and needed tuning almost daily if the weather changed.
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Old 09-08-2011, 12:39 AM
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Back in the day I used an old sheet torn into 3 inch wide strips. Those straps look way to thick to me Bob and like they may warp the hoop. It also looks like it's on the out side of the head. Is it? You don't need anything too thick since it is in contact with the entire length of the drum head.
The strap is behind the head. It is an illusion because I put a light behind the drum for the photo.
The strap isn't too thick. It is like the thick felt that we used to use.
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Old 09-08-2011, 05:06 AM
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I played with the Jazz band with my new bass drum heads for the first time tonight.
The bass drum sounded perfect with the band.
I was so pleased. That was the last drum on the Safari kit that I hadn't upgraded the heads on. The drum has the sound of a larger vintage drum except without the volume.
I am totally pleased.
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I'd be a little worried about the bearing edge...
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Old 09-10-2011, 04:01 AM
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I'd be a little worried about the bearing edge...
The strip doesn't hurt the bearing edge. I simply rest against it.
It is no different than the head resting against the edge.
Drums were muffled this way for many years.
We used to crank the crap out of the batters on marching drums with a felt underneath.
Watch the Bonham kit video and see how the thick felt is applied.
Drums are made from hardwoods and they are tough.
You have to hit a bearing edge hard with a hard object to damage it.
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Nice job Bob. Those nylon straps are about as useful as the plot on an episode of Baywatch. Nice to see a good use for them. Didn't some guys of yesteryear put light bulbs inside their drums to keep the old calf heads tight? Where did I see that?


Anyone ever use an Ace bandage in lieu of the felt strip? Mmm stretchy....
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Nice job Bob. Those nylon straps are about as useful as the plot on an episode of Baywatch. Nice to see a good use for them. Didn't some guys of yesteryear put light bulbs inside their drums to keep the old calf heads tight? Where did I see that?


Anyone ever use an Ace bandage in lieu of the felt strip? Mmm stretchy....
I don't know about an Ace bandage. You have to be able to pull the muffler snug against the inside of the head before it is tensioned and I'm not sure you could do that with an Ace.
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Nice job Bob. Those nylon straps are about as useful as the plot on an episode of Baywatch. Nice to see a good use for them. Didn't some guys of yesteryear put light bulbs inside their drums to keep the old calf heads tight? Where did I see that?


Anyone ever use an Ace bandage in lieu of the felt strip? Mmm stretchy....
The first strip I put on my Bumble Bee Bop kit was a three inch wide Ace bandage. Works fine.
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I have seen stretchy things like ace bandages and spandex etc used.
I never heard about the light bulb inside the real skin headed drum.
I played real skin marching snare drums with real gut snares in a Drum Corps in the late 60s.
There was a lot of maintenance on those drums.
They sounded wonderful though! Nothing like the brittle sounding marching drums of today.
The gut snares really sounded nice and warm.
The Corps did finally switch to plastic heads in the early 70s because of budget issues.
I can still hear the sound of those drums in my head if I think about "The Old Days"

The wool uniforms that we wore were just horrible!!
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