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Old 08-30-2011, 04:31 AM
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I have been thinking about giving my old sweetheart a full going over.
I have owned this kit since it was new.
I am in the planning process right now.
I am open for suggestions.
I intend on filling all of the extra holes and wrapping the kit.
I would like to upgrade the tom mount, spurs, etc.
This kit was originally a 7 piece with concert toms.
I am going to keep it as a 9x13 16x16 14x22 set up
I have already converted the mounted tom to have a reso head.

Please give me your ideas on what should be done.
What would you do if it was your kit?
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Old 08-30-2011, 04:39 AM
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I saw a guy use wood dowels and cut them to fill the holes, then he glued them in. Then he gave the entire shell a nice sanding to even them out, and then recovered them. Very cool. I didn't understand the dowling part until the drum was finished - you really need to do that because the empty holes will show through the wrap.

The recovering part is tricky though. You have to be good with gluing and getting that shell wrapped in one go.

I would go modern Tony Willliams though. Go nitro yellow wrap, but then have all your drum hardware powder coated red, and put black dots on. Then go play that kit at a wedding ;)
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Old 08-30-2011, 04:48 AM
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Very Funny, Everyones a comedian! LOL
I agree, I will fill all of the holes with dowels. I will then sand.
I have to match the silver in the shells and repaint.
Should I put internal mufflers back in the toms or fill those holes too?
I don't really like the internal mufflers so I will probably eliminate them.
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Old 08-30-2011, 04:55 AM
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I like it. Can't go wrong with a Champagne Sparkle wrap.
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Old 08-30-2011, 05:00 AM
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I like it. Can't go wrong with a Champagne Sparkle wrap.
Champagne sparkle is one of the colors that was on my mind.
Thank you for that.
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Old 08-30-2011, 05:20 AM
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Didn't like my Tony Williams idea? I was serious. He actually played that color on his DW kit before he passed away. It looked like Ronald McDonald. I'm sure he's the only one who could get away with it ;)

I'd fill the muffler holes too. What if you did a nice piano black lacquer on the inside? I was never fond of the silver.
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Old 08-30-2011, 12:49 PM
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I loved Tony but we didn't share the same taste in drum finishes. :)
Black on the inside huh? Interesting... I will have to think about that.
I always liked Slingerland's inside color.

Should I keep the stock lugs or go with tube lugs?
How about small DW style lugs?
Should I stay with the cast hoops?
Should I update the bass drum spurs?
Should I keep the T rods on the bass drum?
How about a modern bass drum rail cassette/suspension mount for the tom?
What about the bass drum hoops, Natural maple?
Should I have reinforcement rings installed in the toms and have 45 degree edges cut? The edges are round now.

I'm seeking ideas from all of the Drummerworld community?
So far I like the Champagne sparkle for the wrap. I will probably go with that classic finish.
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Should I keep the stock lugs or go with tube lugs?
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How about small DW style lugs?
Blasphemy! If you put those bulky DW lugs on that Gretsch, I'll personally fly over there and run you over with your own tractor.

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Should I stay with the cast hoops?
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Should I update the bass drum spurs?
Should I keep the T rods on the bass drum?
How about a modern bass drum rail cassette/suspension mount for the tom?
What about the bass drum hoops, Natural maple?
I'm a traditionalist.....don't "de-Gretsch-ify". It's like cutting the bollocks off a dog. Sure they'll still sit, fetch and roll over.......but they ain't ever the same.

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Should I have reinforcement rings installed in the toms and have 45 degree edges cut? The edges are round now.
30 degree edges and silver sealer all the way baby.

You bought "that great Gretsch sound" for a reason. That sound has never abandoned you....yet in its hour of need, you're all set to turn it into a bloody DW. What gives? If you're having a mid-life crisis, go out an buy a Porsche, a Harley and nab a 20-something blonde secretary with surgically enhanced appendages to go with it......don't take it out on a Gretsch!! :-)
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Thanks Pocket!
It's not a mid life crises, I'm just tossing around Ideas.
I am leaning toward keeping the stock look too.
The Re-rings with 30 degree edges will be a big change for the better in the sound.
Black bass hoops with a wrap band applied?
I appreciate the feedback.
You have helped me to make up my mind.
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Black bass hoops with a wrap band applied?
I reckon just a re-wrap will be all that's needed to put some life back into the old girl. A change is as good as a holiday, as they say. Hoops could match or contrast, depending on how you think it'll finish up.

Or.....you could have 'em sanded down and glossed to look just like Harry's. :-)
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That's true, If I sand the hoops and I clear coat them they will lighten up.
That will go well with the Champagne wrap.
Getting away from the dark color will be a nice change.

Can someone suggest someone in the CT area who can do the Re-rings and edges for me?
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Old 08-30-2011, 03:48 PM
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IDK Bob, why don't you just build another kit with Vaughncraft or Keller shells? I don't feel good about modding a classic set like yours. And re-rings on a shell that doesn't need them? You are seriously going to change the tone. If you do go ahead with it, it's against mine and Jules better judgement. I say don't touch them. The wood is drying out after 37 years and you want to to re-wet it with glue and paint? I'd rather see you do this to orphaned Gretsch drums you can find on Ebay. Don't make us do an intervention lol.
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Old 08-30-2011, 04:27 PM
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Actually Larry,
I have the kit up for sale on the Hartford CT craigs.
It has been up for a month now and it seems that no one wants it.
I put the 4 shells up without snare for $800. There is also a 12 inch tom.
I also offered to throw in the 14" tom too if someone paid the asking price

I was going to sell it and save for a new USA built Gretsch.

I decided that I could re-work it instead because it hasn't sold.

I also thought about selling it piece by piece (hoops, shells, lugs, etc) on eBay but I decided to keep it all together.
I kept it together for all these years.
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Fill the holes with dowels, wrap it in White Marine Pearl, and leave the rest alone.
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Fill the holes with dowels, wrap it in White Marine Pearl, and leave the rest alone.
White Marine Pearl is the other wrap that I am considering. I had narrowed it down to the WMP and the Champagne before I posted this thread.
So both you and Larry think that I should keep the round edges.
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I'm with Pocket as far as the other alterations go. Although I'll leave the tractor-murdering to him.
One thing though -- you could go natural on the hoops with a Champagne Sparkle inlay. That would make it really pop.
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White Marine Pearl is the other wrap that I am considering. I had narrowed it down to the WMP and the Champagne before I posted this thread.
So both you and Larry think that I should keep the round edges.
I vote for Champagne Sparkle.

I'd say keep the cast hoops, maybe measure the hole spacing and see if they make tube lugs that fit. It'd give it a nice vintage look. I do hear they're heavy so they'll weigh it down a bit.
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Love white marine pearl..and shiny buffed hardware on any kit. On an an old Gretsch its dreamy.

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The round edges is what makes a Gretsch a Gretsch. Why take a chance on ruining the drums by changing the edges.
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The round edges is what makes a Gretsch a Gretsch. Why take a chance on ruining the drums by changing the edges.
So if you cut 45 deg. edges on a new Gretsch kit will it cease to be a Gretsch? Does that make the name badge a liar?

I say re-cut em'! The Devil take these purists and their drum snobbery. My newest custom snare had a 45 edge with a roundover. Plenty of attack but still a good warm sound from that shell.

You'll want to find yourself a good drum guy. Mine is named Kevin but you can call yours whatever you want. Talk the project over with them and they'll be able to look the kit over and give you suggestions on what'll work best. I'd really suggest against cutting the edges yourself.
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Bob, what's wrong with the existing edges, are they damaged?
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Old 08-30-2011, 07:33 PM
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I cannot see it close up but the color they are now in the pics looks awesome IMO and screams Gretsch. Is it all scratched up or something?? I don't get it?
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There is nothing wrong with the bearing edges and the kit is in perfect playing condition.
The shells are thin mahogany.
The drums show normal wear and tear for being over 40 years old.
I could gig anywhere with this kit tonight and be proud of it.
I have just been thinking about perhaps making some changes.
I am a bit tired of the dark stain. That is the main thing that I want to change.
Nothing has been written in stone and I haven't committed to dong anything yet.

The round edges do make the drums powerful and deep sounding.
These drums will rumble the walls with no problem.
You can feel the bass drum in your chest even while playing lightly.
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Old 08-30-2011, 09:19 PM
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There is nothing wrong with the bearing edges and the kit is in perfect playing condition.
The drums show normal wear and tear for being over 40 years old.
I could gig anywhere with this kit tonight and be proud of it.
I have just been thinking about perhaps making some changes.
I am a bit tired of the dark stain. That is the main thing that I want to change.
Nothing has been written in stone and I haven't committed to dong anything yet.

The round edges do make the drums powerful and deep sounding.
These drums will rumble the walls with no problem.
You can feel the bass drum in your chest even while playing lightly.
Bob, I really wouldn't mess with the edges. There's a couple of reasons for me saying this. First, you may not like the change in sound. It's clear you're in love with the sound as it is, & those edges are certainly a big part of the drum's character. 2nd, cutting into a timber that has aged in that shape over decades, can sometimes release stresses that have been contained organically over time. It's not likely that it will cause warpage, but it's possible, & IMO, not worth the risk.

I get your desire to change the finish. If it were me, I wouldn't, but as I know you don't subscribe to the wrap making a sonic difference, I say go for it. Think of it as a "boob job" for your favourite mistress!
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Or.....you could have 'em sanded down and glossed to look just like Harry's. :-)
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Harry, your drums are maple at heart. Mine are dark mahogany.
Mine will stay dark if I sand them.
I have drilled through these shells to add the lugs to the once concert rack toms.
The shells are dark throughout.
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I get being tired of the color. I tire of my dark drums too sometimes. Not sure why you are considering changing to tubes, but if you could find some with the same hole spacing, why not. If you cant, and have to re drill, I would absolutely go with 6 lugs on the rack toms. I really don't like the 5 lug thing. I wouldn't touch the edges either, not until you wrap it. I bet the wrap will change the sound enough. Make sure the wrap is far enough below the edges so as not to make your heads fit too tight. You probably know this because you are very mechanically inclined. Smart even lol. If after you wrap it and you are still not happy, only then would I consider recutting the edges.
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Please don't recut the edges! One day I will get thirty degree rounded edges, don't make me come over there!
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So if you cut 45 deg. edges on a new Gretsch kit will it cease to be a Gretsch? Does that make the name badge a liar?

I say re-cut em'! The Devil take these purists and their drum snobbery. My newest custom snare had a 45 edge with a roundover. Plenty of attack but still a good warm sound from that shell.

You'll want to find yourself a good drum guy. Mine is named Kevin but you can call yours whatever you want. Talk the project over with them and they'll be able to look the kit over and give you suggestions on what'll work best. I'd really suggest against cutting the edges yourself.
You are kidding, right? I meant the sound would be altered. Not the appearance. Good lord boy. I am beginning to think you are Crazy8"s in disquise.
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Definitely before. Don't worry - he's just friends with him. That's no crime.

He's also far too coherent to be Kevin again.
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Old 08-30-2011, 11:36 PM
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Actually, I vote for red sparkle. Champagne seems a little too nebulous - like it doesn't know if it should be red, or pink (or brown depending on which one you get). And the black inside can be seen on Yamaha Recording Customs - very nice touch, I think.

But what's all this talk about changing out the lugs and everything? At that point with all that work and buying of parts, you could just get a new kit. I would leave it with the hardware you have.
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In case any of you are wondering, Duncan is not losing it. He replied to my post (in record time) but I deleted it because it was stupid.
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In case any of you are wondering, Duncan is not losing it. He replied to my post (in record time) but I deleted it because it was stupid.
I'm losing it alright but it wasn't necessarily evident in that post!

Also, if you're drilling be very careful. I got drill-happy this evening and wasn't entirely accurate. I was installing bass drum spurs onto my 16" Pearl bass drum and floor tom legs on my 14" Tamburo tom. Well, I had to enlarge a couple of the holes because my drilling wasn't great. I should've used the other drill that adjusts speed in relation to how hard you pull the trigger so I could've been more accurate - but no!

So there's some advice. If you're going to drill holes measure at least six times and make sure you're using a drill with variable speed! Starting slowly and using pilot holes is definitely the way forward.
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And if you really want to be extra extra careful....drill co-pilot holes for your pilot holes too :)
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So there's some advice. If you're going to drill holes measure at least six times and make sure you're using a drill with variable speed! Starting slowly and using pilot holes is definitely the way forward.
That's why I don't allow myself with a drill anywhere near my drums.

GD, yes I was kidding. I guess I was a little generous with your sense of humor. You know damn well I'm not Kevin.
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Drilling into a drum shell is a challenge.
Anytime that you are drilling into something that is round and made from hardwood there is a risk of mis-drilling the hole.
I have drilled many drums in my time and I have had to elongate more than one hole.
A sharp center punch is the best way to start the hole before drilling the small pilot hole.

One trick that I learned is to hold the hardware that you are drilling the hole for in place on the drum shell. Hit the lug, (or whatever it is that you are mounting) with a rubber hammer. The lug will leave marks where the holes should be. Center punch in the marks and then drill. It really works!
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Harry, your drums are maple at heart. Mine are dark mahogany.
Mine will stay dark if I sand them.
I have drilled through these shells to add the lugs to the once concert rack toms.
The shells are dark throughout.
All you have to do, if you wanna different wood finish, is the same thing DW, and all the other companies that sell "exotic" wood finishes do ... use a wood veneer. It's no different than wrapping the drums in a plastic wrap. Personally ... I'd go with the Carpathian Elm Burl ... but that's just me ... http://www.aitwood.com/StoreFront.As...eneer%20Sheets
Me, not a big fan of plastic wrap ... and the wood veneer is a sweet way to go to make non-virgin drums virgin again (once you dowel and plug all the holes).
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I got a nice message from Kevin last week via Youtube. He's working on some cool ideas actually. "Out there", but cool concepts. Yes, he's an eccentric character, but I kinda like that.
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Thanks for the link harry.
I did think of that a while back.
I decided to go with a wrap because I intend on gigging with the kit.
I haven't taken it out in years and I figured that I would use it if it was wrapped.

I just opened my emails and someone has inquired about buying the kit.
If this buyer doesn't work out I will take it off craigs.
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Old 08-31-2011, 05:56 PM
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Default Re: Gretsch Mid 70s Restoration Project

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Champagne seems a little too nebulous - like it doesn't know if it should be red, or pink (or brown depending on which one you get).
That's exactly what I like about Champagne Sparkle! In natural light it looks quite pink, but it looks peach indoors. It goes crazy under stage lights, and lusters unlike any other, because of the presence of both copper and silver flake. It's a nice combination of classy and flashy.

WMP is a great choice, too, and I like some of the new black oyster wraps I've seen lately as well.

Bob, your kit is a great candidate for a re-wrap, but you might make sure that someone can install the grommets in the badges properly once re-wrapped. The grommets on most Gretsch kits (other than RB) are quite small and hard to find, and the right size grommeting tool is especially hard to find. You might consider making your own grommets with brass tubing and a ball peen hammer. Time consuming stuff. If your buyer comes through, I would pull the trigger on a new kit, and save yourself lots of hassle.
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