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Old 08-24-2011, 10:50 PM
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I was/am a diehard DW fan. I still really like their hardware, but it's very expensive and very heavy. Here's the latest realization that I've had:

I don't really like my DW5000 pedal.

Don't get me wrong, it's a nice, solid pedal. I'm a single peddler and probably always will be. That said, the Yamaha kit we just got for the church came with what is called a "Professional Model" pedal. I like it better than my DW.

What gives?
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Old 08-24-2011, 10:58 PM
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The word Pro always scares me. See how long it lasts
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Old 08-24-2011, 10:58 PM
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I have three bass drum pedals. A DW5000, a strange 'Jacques Capelle' pedal and a Pearl P-100. Right now I'm using the Pearl because I like it. I like the DW as well (actually, I like all my pedals) but the P100 is a bit lighter than my DW5000 and I'm working on a lighter technique.

There's nothing wrong with liking other pedals. Technically, my DW5000 is the 'best' of them all but right now I'm just preferring another. It's like snares - sometimes you like one for a while, sometimes you like another. There's no shame in it! I'll go back to my DW5000 eventually.

The Yamaha pedals are really great too. I played one of those not long ago (it came with a Stage Custom kit a society I played for bought) and it was a lovely little pedal. Light and smooth. I would quite happily own one of those as well!
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Old 08-24-2011, 11:24 PM
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When I bought my own kit I originally wanted a DW 5000 but they don't make a direct drive pedal or an affordable longboard option. I ended up going with a used Axis that I found on the cheap on my Craigslist. A new spring assembly from the manufacture, some elbow grease and this baby plays like a million bucks.

I have to agree with you about the DW pedals though. Having put my feet on many different DW pedals I just don't care for that sluggish feel.

I'm gonna guess that this "Professional model" Yamaha is a Flying Dragon which unfortunately is discontinued. I hear they surface from time to time on Ebay.

Check out the Pearl Demon drive, and the Axis. Yamaha also makes a newer direct drive to replace the Dragon but I've never personally tried it.
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Old 08-24-2011, 11:26 PM
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Perhaps you've stopped looking at all the full-color double-truck DW ads and realized, "Hey, there are other pedals out there just as good - and maybe even better designed!".
There's nothing wrong with that. You've taken your first step into a larger world (guess what movie that came from).
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Old 08-24-2011, 11:33 PM
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You're right of course, everything's Bo's fault! (except for maybe Bob, Larry, Abe, Pol, etc)
Crap, I forgot, everything is actually Matt's & Duncan's fault. Of course, silly me. perhaps I'm becoming "Bongo John"?

I bought a Yamaha 9000 pedal a couple of months ago. Liking that a lot more than my DW5000.
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Old 08-24-2011, 11:48 PM
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Yeah, I mean Matt and I are basically the antichrist. Maybe I'm predicted in the works of Nostradamus:

'One day, a fat man will enter into this World and unto him all society will crumble'.

Something like that.
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Old 08-25-2011, 12:44 AM
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My next pedal will be a Falcon. They have a nice small foot print, and are really smooth. I will still love my DW5000's though. Been using them a long time.
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Old 08-25-2011, 12:53 AM
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Blame me, I have never even used a DW pedal.
So It's my fault for not trying one! :)
I use different pedals for different styles.
I use an Iron Cobra for Rock and Country
I use a Sonor for Jazz.
I also have several other pedals by Pearl and Tama that I like.
I sometimes play these pedals just for a change from the norm.

I do think that Bo is the biggest Gear Head on the forum!
I'll tell him that to his face when he buys me dinner in a few weeks. :)
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Old 08-25-2011, 12:57 AM
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I don't even think about pedals. To me they're all the same. Speed King, 5000, 9000, Eliminator, I could be happy with any of them.
I blame my attitude on Bo too, he's a troublemaker, that guy.
And Bob. I blame Bob too. Him and Bo are in cahoots I think.
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Old 08-25-2011, 01:22 AM
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I just blame myself most of the time. I feel I deserve it.....

Elims on accoustic and the DW 5000 on the Ekit they both work and yet they dont... I like 'em ok but I have this nagging thing that there's a better pedal out there somewhere...

That gets me mad. And then it occurs to me that it actually might be way cheaper than my pedals, and then I'm shaking with uncontrollable rage.

I wish I could blame Bo but I cant.. Andy maybe..

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Old 08-25-2011, 01:51 AM
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But which one will take my single 16ths from a lowly 120bpm to 300bpm in less than 25 minutes without me doing anything at all?

Until I get an answer to that, you guys are just shirking the issue!
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But which one will take my single 16ths from a lowly 120bpm to 300bpm in less than 25 minutes without me doing anything at all?

Until I get an answer to that, you guys are just shirking the issue!
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Old 08-25-2011, 02:00 AM
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The Dualist will do the trick!
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Old 08-25-2011, 02:29 AM
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I was/am a diehard DW fan ... Here's the latest realization that I've had:

I don't really like my DW5000 pedal.

.... the Yamaha kit we just got for the church came with what is called a "Professional Model" pedal. I like it better than my DW.

What gives?
What gives ... is that you found a pedal that feels better. That's why, every "which pedal is better" thread is ... basically ... a waste of time and space. People need to get their feet on every pedal they can ... and then draw their own conclusions.
That's why, every time someone starts one of those threads ... that's my suggestion. Personally, I own 2 Yamaha Flying Dragon single pedals. And I'll probably not change them out anytime soon. I've played the Axis, the Trick, all the DW's, Tama's and Pearls ... and a boatload of "almost" every other pedal out there. And then I bought the one I liked, the best.
That's for single pedal. When I play a double, I play a Sleishman, because I want not only a double ... but I want a center design as well ... and there's only 3 center pedals out there (that I know of). Off-Set and Sonor, being the other 2. And for quite a while, I played the Off-Set, 'cause the Sleishman was "not to be found" here. When I finally got me feet on one ... I was sold. Bought one off eBay, sold the Off-Sets .... bam.
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Old 08-25-2011, 02:41 AM
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Just consider me at the forefront of your adventure that as you continue to be making constant improvements in the constant upgrade of pedals and other gear, that when I complete the circle of coming back to something as simple as using that ol' Flexi Flyer pedal we all started out with, that you'll eventually get there too ;)

Remember also that I've already come full circle with playing backbeats just on 2 & 4 and bass drum on 1 & 3. Now you know what's comin' ;)
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Old 08-25-2011, 02:52 AM
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I'm shaking with uncontrollable rage.
Now that's the answer to Pocket's 300bpm quest!

& yes Abe, feel free to blame me. There's no downside, I mean, I still love my wife.
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Old 08-25-2011, 03:11 AM
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.... that when I complete the circle of coming back to something as simple as using that ol' Flexi Flyer pedal we all started out with, that you'll eventually get there too...
I started out with the Speed King, and although I still own one, I'll never make it my main pedal, again.
Never had a Flexi ... but I played the King Beat, and the Hi Beat pedals ... and have one each, of those, as well.
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Old 08-25-2011, 07:20 AM
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I still like my DW.

But it's my DW nylon strap drive that I like.

My DW chain drive, eh......
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Old 08-26-2011, 08:20 PM
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I still love my OLD 5000 strap pedal (my son won't give it back).
The one with the smaller foot board, and the round heel piece.

It's basically what a "3000" pedal is now (but they might change the number next month).
If I changed the cam on it to a strap cam I could have one again.
Easy change, don't want to spend the money on another one....or maybe I will............

When they changed their pedals to the way 5000's are now, the action and feel went out the window.
They felt sluggish and slow to me. Still do.

Love my Eliminators, and the Tama IC Flexi. My old Camco feels really good too.
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Old 08-30-2011, 11:48 PM
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Default Re: It's all Bo's fault...

Well, for what it's worth, I worked over the pedal last night:
  • Took the weights off the footboard
    Tightened the spring
    Lowered the weight on the Iron Cobra beater

This got it feeling a lot better. Now I can play straight 16th's around 100 and 16th patterns at about 116.
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Old 09-05-2011, 03:18 PM
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Josh makes a good point. I've never adjusted my IC out of the box. I now have a Junior IC as well and that seems just fine. It's good to be able to play on lots of pedals so when you play someone else's kit you will be sweet. We have an old cheapy Yamaha at church and that goes on forever without any adjustment or servicing!

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