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Old 05-18-2006, 01:24 PM
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There's a link on the toolband about a crazy pad that he helped develop...
http://synesthesiacorp.com/home.html
...i'm guessing it's showcased in "Intension", what with all the crazy samples in that song... Great friggin' album tho! Blew me away, just like the others...

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Old 05-19-2006, 04:08 PM
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The fill in the beginning, is that a specific rudiment done fast, or just accented single stroke?
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Old 05-19-2006, 05:02 PM
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very good drumming indeed. nice solid playing
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Old 05-19-2006, 08:13 PM
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when i listen to tool, i feel like a worse drummer everytime
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Old 05-19-2006, 09:26 PM
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The fill in the beginning, is that a specific rudiment done fast, or just accented single stroke?
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Old 05-21-2006, 12:10 AM
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Finns, I doubt that Adam Jones is a limited guitarist; shredding simply wouldn't sound overly great over tool's dark, tribal grooves. He's conservative, not limited. Live, he even plays the palm muted intro of 'the patient' on top of the keyboard effects bit, which he does with his foot. Hmmm...not only drummers can have independance...

Yeah, the new tool album is a bit rubbish really. I don't hate it because it's different, I hate it because it's THE SAME. Don't use the 'oh, it'll grow on you line', because, lets face it, that's a cop out, isn't it. I liked Lateralus immdiately, I dislike this immediately. If I say to you, do you like the latest fall out boy tune, and you say no, I'm not exactly going to reply: it'll grow on you. Because no-one gives pop music a second chance, therefore, it has to be extremely good to make a first impression. Tool, have cleverly fooled people into giving their music a second chance by way of their 'cult' following, but, if you think about it; why should we?

Music does not grow on you - go by your initial reaction.

10000 days features non-addictive rhythms, uninspired vocals, and especially pathetic winding, ambiant 'progressive' 'epics.' I'm sorry that Maynard's mother died, but, really, the only reason you'd listen to that toot would be out of sympathy.

I used to really like tool, but their sound is becoming tired fast. Not even Danny can save them.
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Old 05-21-2006, 03:05 AM
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Finns, I doubt that Adam Jones is a limited guitarist; shredding simply wouldn't sound overly great over tool's dark, tribal grooves. He's conservative, not limited. Live, he even plays the palm muted intro of 'the patient' on top of the keyboard effects bit, which he does with his foot. Hmmm...not only drummers can have independance...
No, I think he's pretty limited. Having seen him live three times I've seen copious mistakes and technical errors. He's not like, say, Tom Morello where you can see that he has great chops underneath all the weird noises and you know that he could bust out a whole heap of stuff outside of his personal style. Adam just appears to be a pretty seriously limited guitarist across the board. If you're a serious guitarist you can learn to do most of what he does in a convincing manner in 1.5-3 years.
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Old 05-21-2006, 11:09 AM
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No, I think he's pretty limited. Having seen him live three times I've seen copious mistakes and technical errors. He's not like, say, Tom Morello where you can see that he has great chops underneath all the weird noises and you know that he could bust out a whole heap of stuff outside of his personal style. Adam just appears to be a pretty seriously limited guitarist across the board. If you're a serious guitarist you can learn to do most of what he does in a convincing manner in 1.5-3 years.
But you can't just judge him on what he plays in Tool. He just plays what the music ask for, so...

But i haven't seen any of his outside-of-Tool work, so i can't judge him.
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Old 05-21-2006, 12:13 PM
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Yeah, the new tool album is a bit rubbish really. I don't hate it because it's different, I hate it because it's THE SAME. Don't use the 'oh, it'll grow on you line', because, lets face it, that's a cop out, isn't it.
I dont think 10,000 Days sounds the same as any other Tool record. What songs on 10,000 Days are similar to others? Also what is wrong with the "it'll grow on you" line? I wouldn't ask anyone but a Tool fan to listen to it a few times before making a final decision - and you said in your post that you used to like Tool quite a bit.

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Music does not grow on you - go by your initial reaction.
Alot of songs have grown on me - that is a pretty ridiculous statement, because it is subjective of a person's music listening habits.

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10000 days features non-addictive rhythms, uninspired vocals, and especially pathetic winding, ambiant 'progressive' 'epics.' I'm sorry that Maynard's mother died, but, really, the only reason you'd listen to that toot would be out of sympathy.
The only reason I'd listen to Wings for Marie and 10,000 Days is because I think they are great songs. Your assesment of the rhythms, vocals and "pathetic windin, ambiant 'progressive' 'epics.'" is completely subjective.

Ok - we get it - your dissapointed with this release - thats fine. Alot of people are happy with it obviously, so maybe you should be a bit more careful with your choice of words. Apart from that, seriously if you think the songs are similar to thier old stuff, tell us your opinion so we can see. So we can discuss - and not just bash.
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Old 05-21-2006, 12:33 PM
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Ok - we get it - your dissapointed with this release - thats fine. Alot of people are happy with it obviously, so maybe you should be a bit more careful with your choice of words. Apart from that, seriously if you think the songs are similar to thier old stuff, tell us your opinion so we can see. So we can discuss - and not just bash.
Well, just for a start Rosetta Stoned is about 30% Third Eye and H from Aenima, and Right In Two has some serious 46&2 lifts towards the end.
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Old 05-21-2006, 12:46 PM
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Well, just for a start Rosetta Stoned is about 30% Third Eye and H from Aenima, and Right In Two has some serious 46&2 lifts towards the end.
Is that your explanation...that some songs resemble each other :s...

lots of bands re-use certain concepts/structures of good songs, and apply them in new songs. As long as the songs have a different feel to them, what's the problem?

IMO, 10,000 days is very different from lateralus. It has a lot more atmosphere, and building up, to it.
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Old 05-21-2006, 01:31 PM
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Well, just for a start Rosetta Stoned is about 30% Third Eye and H from Aenima, and Right In Two has some serious 46&2 lifts towards the end.
I reckon Right in Two is a great song - I love the progression from around 6.30 - 7.10. I cant really hear the likeness to 46&2. I agree with you about Rosetta Stoned. I think the album as a whole has a heavier and darker feel than Lateralus and Aenima. In any case - the drums on the album are superb. Danny's co-ordination and power never cease to amaze me. I'm looking forward to covering some of the new songs... I think arguably The Pot is one of the easier to play on drums. Could take me awhile tho hehe.
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Old 05-21-2006, 01:38 PM
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Is that your explanation...that some songs resemble each other :s...

lots of bands re-use certain concepts/structures of good songs, and apply them in new songs. As long as the songs have a different feel to them, what's the problem?

IMO, 10,000 days is very different from lateralus. It has a lot more atmosphere, and building up, to it.
I'll buy the "It's a reworking in a different context" card if you're talking about Zappa, Miles Davis or John Coltrane - the kind of people who release records at a rate of 3-4 a year. If you're talking about a band that is lucky to squeeze out two albums a decade which each typically have less than an hour of actual music (which seems to average something like what... twelve minutes of music per year?) I'd reckon I'm less inclined to forgive them writing an eleven minute song which has four minutes of recycled riffs on it.

As for "Right in two"... head in to around 6:30 and tell me you're not hearing 46&2, go on...
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Old 05-21-2006, 03:19 PM
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Yeah, 'the pot' uses the same chord sequence (in the same rhythm) as 'lateralus' (the song), 'vicarious' sounds a complete rip-off of 'schism' for much of it and then goes into an odd time signature break (5/4) that just sounds really forced into 5/4, just to make it 'prog' - which is plain pretentious.

'Jambi' is awesome.

Then what do we have? A couple of 'parabol' style drones, with no 'parabola' to make them worth listening to.

A five year wait, and the product is still lazy and rushed. My friend even thought it was a joke album - the real one would blow everyone away.

The Tool 'well' is running dry very fast; Maynard and co. now have no reason to be so completely up themselves.
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Old 05-21-2006, 05:34 PM
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Yeah, 'the pot' uses the same chord sequence (in the same rhythm) as 'lateralus' (the song), 'vicarious' sounds a complete rip-off of 'schism' for much of it and then goes into an odd time signature break (5/4) that just sounds really forced into 5/4, just to make it 'prog' - which is plain pretentious.

'Jambi' is awesome.

Then what do we have? A couple of 'parabol' style drones, with no 'parabola' to make them worth listening to.

A five year wait, and the product is still lazy and rushed. My friend even thought it was a joke album - the real one would blow everyone away.

The Tool 'well' is running dry very fast; Maynard and co. now have no reason to be so completely up themselves.

The new album is absolutely incredible !

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Old 05-21-2006, 11:40 PM
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The new album is absolutely incredible !

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Agreed.

And to say about them being poor on the prouctivity rate... they toured Lateralus for two years, once the touring was done Maynard worked with APC, Danny worked with Pygmy Love Circus, Adam worked with the Melvins and I'm not sure what Justin Chancellor did...

If they'd just come off touring and not done anything for the following two years I could understand what you're saying. But I can't, cos you're wrong on that. It took them a year to write these songs according to Danny in his interview in the latest Rhythm magazine, so that'd leave them two years whereby they were all busy with other projects.

I'm not seeing the resemblance between Schism and Vicarious here either, other than Vicarious is the first single off the album as Schism was and has a bass roll at the end, the style of the music is completely different, where Schism felt moody Vicarious just... doesn't... perhaps I'm just not that observant?, and this "forced" 5/4 beat... what?! just to be pretentious? what exactly sounds forced about it?! It just sounds like a break down to me. I like it, in fact it was one of the first things I noticed about the song.

I'd agree about Adam Jones being limited, it's laughable at times... lots of bar chords and away we go... not even proper bar chords either, it's all drop D lol. Though I do still love Tool. A lot. I paid £70 to go see em at Download. I didn't even really want to go, but I couldn't get tickets for either of the London gigs.

One last thing, whoever it was said music doesn't grow on you... bull. Music does grow on you, but to an extent I agree, you need a reason to come back to it. A good example of this could be, say, "El Diablo" by Will Haven - I bought it when I saw them because I know and love "I've Seen My Fate". The rest of the album wasn't as instant for me. I now love it because I've listened to it a few times, purely to listen to "I've Seen My Fate" - as a result of listening to it several times, I now love it, hence it has grown on me.
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Old 05-22-2006, 12:00 AM
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Agreed.

And to say about them being poor on the prouctivity rate... they toured Lateralus for two years, once the touring was done Maynard worked with APC, Danny worked with Pygmy Love Circus, Adam worked with the Melvins and I'm not sure what Justin Chancellor did...

If they'd just come off touring and not done anything for the following two years I could understand what you're saying. But I can't, cos you're wrong on that. It took them a year to write these songs according to Danny in his interview in the latest Rhythm magazine, so that'd leave them two years whereby they were all busy with other projects.
Right, but again we're going to have to contrast this with other bands out there. Let's look at Zappa - he managed to tour along with writing and arranging for considerably larger bands than Tool. And a lot of what he wrote was considerably more technically dense and layered. But in any given year he probably released about as much material as Tool produce in a decade, if not more.

Or there's Mr Bungle. Like Tool they pretty much only put an album out every four or five years during their lifetime as a band, and they always had to share Mike Patton with (the much bigger label priority) Faith No More. Other members had other gigs with John Zorn and others too. But each of their three albums was considerably more unique, varied and dense than this latest Tool album.

Two things to keep in mind:

* Coming off the back of Lateralus there were various interviews with Adam where he claimed they had another whole album worth of material they hadn't released on Lateralus which was written during the writing process for that album.

* The riff for 10,000 Days / Wings For Marie was being played regularly during the tours in 2002 between songs.

... so crediting them with writing the entire album in a year is maybe a bit wrong, considering that the primary musical material that makes up one 17-minute two-part song dates back to at least 2002.
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If you have a reason to come back to the music, it means something stood out at you initially, therefore you did like the music at first.

And also, just listen to the Vicarious breakdown. There's the duhduhduhduh duh duhduh (to the rhythm of 'why don't we just admit it?'). Adam probably said: 'now that's pretty cool - but wait! It's in 4/4!? Oh heavens, because we like to think we're cleverer than all other rock bands, we'll add an extra 'duhduh' onto that phrase so it's now in 5/4, so it must be really deep and insightful.' Even though it sounds totally tacked on.

I never listen to the lyrics of any songs, because I like music, not poetry, but my friend and fellow band member tells me they embody pretentiousness. Besides, I'll never aquire the intelligence nesseccary to decipher Maynard 'Genius' Keenan's lyrics (I can't even spell 'nesseccary').
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Music does not grow on you - go by your initial reaction.

Perhpas this is how things work for you...I remember the first time I listened to Aenima, I didn't really like it at all...Then after a few more chances it grew on me enought to consider it one of the greatest prog rock albums ever made. There have been plenty of albums that have had the same effect for me.
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If you have a reason to come back to the music, it means something stood out at you initially, therefore you did like the music at first.

And also, just listen to the Vicarious breakdown. There's the duhduhduhduh duh duhduh (to the rhythm of 'why don't we just admit it?'). Adam probably said: 'now that's pretty cool - but wait! It's in 4/4!? Oh heavens, because we like to think we're cleverer than all other rock bands, we'll add an extra 'duhduh' onto that phrase so it's now in 5/4, so it must be really deep and insightful.' Even though it sounds totally tacked on.

I never listen to the lyrics of any songs, because I like music, not poetry, but my friend and fellow band member tells me they embody pretentiousness. Besides, I'll never aquire the intelligence nesseccary to decipher Maynard 'Genius' Keenan's lyrics (I can't even spell 'nesseccary').
I disagree with everything you just said apart from the bit about liking something. I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. While I don't think the music Tool produce is sheer genius, I do enjoy the odd timings without it being too OTT to not enjoy. Wings Parts 1 and 2, IMHO, are superb. But they're not to your tastes, cool, whatever. I agree, Maynard is not a genius, but I do like his lyrics, I don't try to decipher them, I just sing along in the car or whatever or have a phrase which might stick in my head. This is normally the reason why I return to a song as it "grows" on me. I didn't actually like Wings 1 and 2 to start with, it grew on me as a result of liking the build up and the "give me my wings" line in the middle. I can't understand how his lyrics "embody pretentiousness" since at no point does he state how superior he or his band are to anyone else in this world. I've read stuff where he has come across as arrogant though, I'll give you that.
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Right, but again we're going to have to contrast this with other bands out there. Let's look at Zappa - he managed to tour along with writing and arranging for considerably larger bands than Tool. And a lot of what he wrote was considerably more technically dense and layered. But in any given year he probably released about as much material as Tool produce in a decade, if not more.

Or there's Mr Bungle. Like Tool they pretty much only put an album out every four or five years during their lifetime as a band, and they always had to share Mike Patton with (the much bigger label priority) Faith No More. Other members had other gigs with John Zorn and others too. But each of their three albums was considerably more unique, varied and dense than this latest Tool album.

Two things to keep in mind:

* Coming off the back of Lateralus there were various interviews with Adam where he claimed they had another whole album worth of material they hadn't released on Lateralus which was written during the writing process for that album.

* The riff for 10,000 Days / Wings For Marie was being played regularly during the tours in 2002 between songs.

... so crediting them with writing the entire album in a year is maybe a bit wrong, considering that the primary musical material that makes up one 17-minute two-part song dates back to at least 2002.
Fair play on the having written the album in a year, I was only quoting what I read in Danny's Rhythm interview, though playing riffs and writing songs are two different things as I'm sure you know... and I think I read that the "whole album worth of material" was near enough ditched, I'm pretty sure I read that all of this stuff was new and the Lateralus "leftovers" were canned, though I could be completely wrong on that.

I read some stuff on the Toolarmy messageboards (yes, admittedly, I am a paid up member, though I would never profess Tool to be the best thing since sliced bread, I just enjoy the music) about Tool simply doing what they do for their own enjoyment. Perhaps it's for this reason that they haven't released this album for such a long time? Perhaps they wanted to work on it to get it a level they were happy with? I have no idea, I'm not defending the wait from album to album, just trying to justify.

To be honest I'm not really old enough to appreciate Tool from before they were seen as a pretentious prog rock band (as I've stated somewhere else I only got into them properly in about 1999, when I was still at school, at the time I think Maynard flat out refused to be interviewed and had just come across as moody, rather than arrogant) so have only really enjoyed the release of Lateralus and their latest, and I wasn't eagerly awaiting the release of the newest Tool, since my musical taste has been elsewhere since the release of Lateralus. That's what I like about Tool, actually. The fact I'm still interested enough after five years to listen to their new stuff, having been into a lot of pop punk and metal in the last few years (when I say metal I mean straightforward 4/4 euro-metal - Arkangel/ Heaven Shall Burn et al), I'm not really into prog, I'm only really just getting into it as part of an interest in developing my drumming.

Oh and I think saying that Mr. Bungle's albums were "unique, varied and dense" is a matter of perspective - personally I really don't enjoy Mr. Bungle... unique, yes, but not in a good way. I don't really see how Tool isn't unique, they don't sound like many other bands... do they?!


I'm gonna have to re-visit that thing about the breakdown in Vicarious (apologies Finn, I know it wasn't you that raised this, but it's bugged me) I just don't see how it's forced or "tacked on" or anything else... it sounds completely natural to me?! Again, I guess this is totally a matter of perspective, but that fifth beat sounds... well... right, somehow. I wouldn't sound right in 4/4, it wouldn't fit the song. I dunno.


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Old 05-24-2006, 02:27 AM
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honestly beast man, i only read the vary last thing you wrote about the breakdown in Vicarious and your right, it would sound bad if it was in 4/4..i like how it is, very natural for tool.
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Oh and I think saying that Mr. Bungle's albums were "unique, varied and dense" is a matter of perspective - personally I really don't enjoy Mr. Bungle... unique, yes, but not in a good way. I don't really see how Tool isn't unique, they don't sound like many other bands... do they?!
Sorry about not replying to the rest, but I'm in a hurry - going out in a second.

When I said that their albums were unique, varied and dense I think that's all pretty hard to dispute - whether you like them is another matter. But just to clarify, "unique" and "varied" in this context is basically talking about their position inside the canon of work the band has produced. In the case of Mr Bungle you can immediately identify which album a song is from just based on a cursory listen - there's no mistaking the self-titled album for Disco Volante (the latter is considerably more avant-garde and makes virtually no pretense at having any "normal" sections of pop songwriting) and likewise there's no mistaking either of them for California - while the first album sounds like very stupid early 90s funk-metal and Disco Volante sounds like John Zorn, California sounds like 60s pop music.

Tool, on the other hand, have made three albums in a row that are nearly interchangeable in terms of musical content, and only variable in terms of production expense and songwriting quality - which have been increasing and decreasing respectively over the last decade, IMHO. I just can't find much to like about this album because everything that I hear on it has already been done, and done better.
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I just can't find much to like about this album because everything that I hear on it has already been done, and done better.
by whom? I'd like to hear that. I'm not saying Tool is the best, but they're certainly different to a lot of what is around at the moment. OK I'll agree about the interchangeable thing, but does that make them bad musicians? OK so it's not a completely different sound from one album to the next, but how many artists do have a different sound from one album to the next? Not many that I know of.

Like I said, I think this is going to be a case of agree to disagree. Personally I really like 10,000 Days, and I absolutely love Lateralus and Aenima, particularly Disposition/ Reflection/ Triad from Lateralus as well as the title track, Parabola... hell... all of it's good.

I think at the end of the day this whole argument falls down to personal tastes and the way peoples tastes change over the years. I'm not going to sit here and tell you Mr. Bungle were crap, that's my personal opinion which is clearly different to yours, I just never liked Mike Patton's work (though to be fair I've not heard mcuh Fantomas). As far as being pretentious goes... I don't understand how music can be pretentious. I can understand the musicians being pretentious, but the music itself? The lyrics? IMO lyrics are written to fit music, and are inspired by something, like an event, and are written about as the writer sees and feels fit. If the implication were there that Maynard or Tool were so far superior to everything else ever then I could maybe understand, I just don't get how changing the time sig in a song could possibly be pretentious or writing songs about your mother being paralised for 27 years or having a segue on your album about someone who lived with you claiming to be a "friend of a friend" and it transpired they knew none of your friends etc etc can possibly be pretentious... perhaps I'm not seeing the wood for the trees?! If Tool had just released Lateralus and released 10,000 Days in 5 years when I'm 26 perhaps I wouldn't like 10,000 Days as much as I do right now? It just seems to fit into my world pretty well at the moment, and musically has inspired me to start working a bit more progressively and push the boundaries of what my band can do and will do. So in that respect I'm totally thankful to Tool. Can't wait to see em at Download either.
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i know a million people of already posted this, but out of respect to this bloke i'll say it again! this guy is what makes me wanna drum! i personally think he is the best drummer around at the moment...
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carey is one of these drummers that are make me love playing and working drums ! amazing ideas.. Love TOOL ! :-)
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I personally think Maynard is a genius. If not, he is definately the best vocalist out there. I don't get why some people don't like him? My friend pointed out to me (and upon doing research, I'll confirm it) that in Lateralus Maynard is using the fibonnacci (sorry bout the spelling) sequence when singing. Now if this isn't a work of a genius, what the hell is?!
And to those saying that Tool play odd time signitures to be progressive, whatever. They have nothing to prove. The great music speaks for itself.
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I personally think Maynard is a genius. If not, he is definately the best vocalist out there. I don't get why some people don't like him? My friend pointed out to me (and upon doing research, I'll confirm it) that in Lateralus Maynard is using the fibonnacci (sorry bout the spelling) sequence when singing. Now if this isn't a work of a genius, what the hell is?!
I hate to say this, but Mudvayne are also pretty big into the whole "using allegedly occult number sequences to write rhythms" thing too. Sure, they ripped it off Tool. But you don't exactly have to be a genius to do it....

And I wouldn't rate him as the best vocalist out there either. I've seen some live videos where he's missing notes quite seriously, and he has a very limited style. But I do like him a lot, he's certainly been one of my favourites historically. I just don't rate either the new Tool album or the last Perfect Circle one, nothing like his best work on either of them.
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I'll agree with you on the last APC one (though I did love Passive) and the latest Tool album is wearing a bit thin already. Mind you I've not listened to it much lately, I keep listening to Lateralus in some attempt to understand how Danny Carey does that thing in the middle with the hi hats/ bass drum. I just don't have the co-ordination yet to do it, but my teacher just gave me some stuff to practice...
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I'll be seeing him play tomorrow... can't wait. It's gonna be awesome...
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He simply is incredible. They songs they played were absolutely note perfect, he was simply amazing to watch, even if I was stood absolutely miles from the stage... Absolutely fantastic. Next time I hear of Tool touring the UK I'm going to get tickets for one of their headlining shows rather than a festival so I can experience it properly. Truly stunning!
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I don't understand why everyone is getting into the nuances of whether or not they really like tool, Maynard and whatever else. What i can say is, i hated Tool when i first listened to them, but the first thing i noticed as they grew on me was just how amazing the drumming was! I just cannot fault Carey, I really can't, he's amazing. And after having the honour of seeing him live just last week i am even more in awe, he's so silky smooth, hits hard like some kind of demon when need be, delivers complex, challenging rhythms, injects personality....What more can you ask for? :)
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this guy is the greatest for me. The way he plays and uses his technique and how he has improved sice the first album of tool to the last. And how he plays in the band Volto! ( seen them live,, wow)
His playing is based a lot on the feelin, a more emotional way of drumming. He can take his mind to a unique place and he can intepret his ideas and thoughts to us, as well as he can cause a reaction on every one of us drummers or musicians.
How his drumset is placed percectly with a mathematician, followin the "circle theory" mixed with the "golden proportion" mixed with a theory called " the theory of the equator".
He has no boundaries, he is really creative .
He has been a great inspiration, at least for me.
post your thoughts on this fella

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Danny_Carey.html
I absolutely agree, he has progressed my playing more than any other person could even dream to.
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I think I'm going through my "Danny Carey influenced" stage right now... I absolutely love his playing, the way he mixes his beats up and stuff, like putting snare beats where I wouldn't expect them... I'm still learning an awful lot about drumming even now, and I abolsutely love what DC is doing... I'll follow Tool for a long long time, simply for his drumming.
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T-1000 i gotta disagree.
Maynard not a genious? I donno. But c'mon man, he's a truckload brighter than those (insert word that refers to feces :-) ) of blink182. He sings about a lot more than/a lot more to say than 'i love you' 'why did you leave me?', "look how long my d**** is" " in da club this, in da club that", "chicks with big boobs", or endless yapping about californication (yes, thát group) and blablabla...
he actually thinks about his lyrics. Makes you think. IF you want to hear it of course. Cuz I can explain all you want, but if you don't do the effort actually taking your time to read and think about them..then you what the hell. (if don't say you HAVE to read them, just don't say Maynard is not a genius if you even can't bring it up to look at his work and not compare it to others, wich is - i understand from your posts) exactly what you're doing.

and the almost constantly out of 4/4 play. It's what they do.
So??
Hell, I don't hear anyone complain about Dave Brubeck & Joe Morello??
Does anyone here blame Art Blakey for play so immensly brilliant? Or do you guess he's just trying to be elite? No don't think so.
And i haven't even mentioned any free jazz artist.
Are you gonna critisize everyone that plays not so evident music?

Tool playing the way they do is...what they do....and I think it's far better (yes, also higher) quality than a Avril Lavinge (or whatever 'mainstream' song.)

Besides: Anima is far better than Lateralus. But that's just my taste. 10.000 days is ok...more than ok If you ask me: it's one of the best new things I heard in the last year.
And making albums AFTER you did things like Anima and Lateralus is NOT easy i think...the succes becomes a burden for you upcoming productions.

And another point: i can't believe this discussion about how long it takes to make another Tool album. When they're busy with other stuff, well, then they are busy with other stuff.
USA is a free country isn't it? Well, can't they decide to play in other bands for a while? to lay it down for some time?
Since when do they constantly HAVE to be in production? Hell, they make music for the love of music (thank god that's brilliant) and not to please audience.

And just like Altered Beast i'm very influenced by Danny. I simply love his play and wish my style was the same as his. It's not that average every day play and I love that.
I love it even more cuz i really don't think they do it on purpose: It's in just them. It makes them differend. And difference; that's good.
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I hate to say this, but Mudvayne are also pretty big into the whole "using allegedly occult number sequences to write rhythms" thing too. Sure, they ripped it off Tool. But you don't exactly have to be a genius to do it....

And I wouldn't rate him as the best vocalist out there either. I've seen some live videos where he's missing notes quite seriously, and he has a very limited style. But I do like him a lot, he's certainly been one of my favourites historically. I just don't rate either the new Tool album or the last Perfect Circle one, nothing like his best work on either of them.
Well I'll agree with you on A Perfect Circles' last album. That was a hell of a disappointment. The exception being (of course) Passive. It was such a shame after two great albums. They ruined 'Pet' with that crappy "Count bedies..." song. That was hard to listen to.
As for Maynard live, I've never seen him live, but hopefully will soon.
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Well I'll agree with you on A Perfect Circles' last album. That was a hell of a disappointment. The exception being (of course) Passive. It was such a shame after two great albums. They ruined 'Pet' with that crappy "Count bedies..." song. That was hard to listen to.
As for Maynard live, I've never seen him live, but hopefully will soon.
Man, if you didnt like that album, then you had NO IDEA what it was all about. I really did not enjoy it at first, but man, now that Ive listened more, its got some really good stuff in my opinion. I love the cover of Marvin Gaye's What's Goin On. Nearly all the songs on there are covers of songs written about peace.
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Some of APC's last album was great (Passive, Imagine, Peace, Love and Understanding) some was ok (People are People... a couple others I can't remember right now) and some of it really wasn't so great (Counting Bodies...)
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Some of APC's last album was great (Passive, Imagine, Peace, Love and Understanding) some was ok (People are People... a couple others I can't remember right now) and some of it really wasn't so great (Counting Bodies...)
You didnt like counting bodies like sheep? Im pretty sure it was just a remix of Pet from the 13th step. I thought it was a pretty interesting take on it.
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