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Old 08-09-2011, 05:35 AM
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one more thing: please don't change the pro mark website!

i find the evans drumhead website hard to navigate and find what i'm after. personally i don't like how its organised into "rock heads" and "batter/resonant" heads, after all there really aren't any rules. something more simpler such as sorting into 1ply, 2ply, coated, or sizes (in the case of bass drum heads) would make it much easier to navigate.
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Old 08-09-2011, 01:26 PM
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one more thing: please don't change the pro mark website!

i find the evans drumhead website hard to navigate and find what i'm after. personally i don't like how its organised into "rock heads" and "batter/resonant" heads, after all there really aren't any rules. something more simpler such as sorting into 1ply, 2ply, coated, or sizes (in the case of bass drum heads) would make it much easier to navigate.
Good points. The Evans site is going under a number of changes now and we will consider your suggestions. Thanks, Rick
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Old 08-09-2011, 01:27 PM
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I'm very happy to see this thread and the info passed along within it... between EvansSpecialist and now EvansPrez, I feel like I have real input into the products I use. I recently put a brand new set of coated G2s on my kit and they sound like the drums I hear in my dreams. I've used Pro-Mark for some time, I'm very glad to hear you're using the merger as a springboard to product improvement in that respect.

I would like very much to see an expanded line of maple sticks with the same sort of market penetration that Vic Firth has had; when I've looked for a much lighter-weight stick on short notice, the stores carry Vic's SD line, and a few store clerks have not even known Pro-Mark even makes them.

As far as the heads, keep on keeping on! You're setting the industry standard with your innovation and quality... thanks much.
We will be expanding the Pro-Mark maple offering over the next year. Rick
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Old 08-09-2011, 01:34 PM
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I've been using evans heads for toms/snares for 7+ years. g1,g2, ec1, ec2 are the the 4 heads I mix and match on all my toms. All my 15 or so snare drums have a g1 or an ST batter and a evans reso and I love them.

However I don't like any evans bass drum heads. I always go back to using a Remo PS3 for live use or an Aquarian Superkick2 for recording. I find no evans equivalent to them in sound. I also dislike how the foam rings attach to the emad with the plastic hunk always on the drum ( or atleast the one I had a year ago and quickly changed). Also there is no 28 inch love, seriously gotta use Aquarian or Remo's on that bad boy no matter what as I have never seen an Evans head of that Diameter thats not specifically a "marching head". Minor gripe as thats a non standard size.

As far as pro mark sticks I just have never liked them. I recently picked up 10 pairs of Vater super jazz and 10 pairs of regal tip Jazz. There lengthy, feel quick in my hands and are durable enough for me. Perhaps it's the high mositure content of the vater sticks that makes me pick those first, but between all the stick makers being honest I'd go Vater, Vicfirth/regal tip, then promark. I've tried a few different weights of the Pro-mark Oak sticks and found they cracked just as quick as hickory and just weighed a lot more for no gain on my end. Anyway I hope I don't sound like a jerk, just being honest. I do love evans for most stuff and am curious as to what the new pro-mark stuff will be like. It's also cool to see you post on a forum like this, so thanks.
Two things regarding EMAD - The plastic ring that holds the foam has been improved over the past year to eliminate cracking under normal use. We are working on EMAD 26" and EMAD 28".

Regarding your comments on Vater and Regal Tip, both make great products. At the moment Pro-Mark doesn't make a stick with the dimensions of the Super Jazz but we will be expanding our range of diameters, tapers and tips over the next several months so I hope to have a Pro-Mark stick that will fit your needs in the not too distant future. Thanks, Rick
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Old 08-09-2011, 01:39 PM
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+1 and more. Sometimes I look at my gear and amazed by how much of it is D'addario and Co. D'addario strings on Guitar and Bass, Planet Waves cables and accessories, Rico reeds on my Tenor Sax (A++ and many kudos for the quality and consistency improvements on Rico reeds once D'addario took them over), Evans drum heads, and I recently switched over to Pro Mark as well.

Great products, keep up the good work.
Thanks Bert, D'Addario is dedicated to continual improvements in all our products and processes. By the way all, if you find yourself in any of the areas where we have a factory, contact us for a tour. Evans drumheads and D'Addario strings are manufactured in Farmingdale, NY on Long Island, Rico Reeds are manufactured in Sun Valley, CA which is adjacent to Burbank and Pro-Mark is manufactured in Houston. Rick
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Rick, this is a fantastic thread, its always very meaningful to me when people in your position come and communicate directly with their customers! I think that kind of thing has great benefits for both sides.

I just did a short video review the other day on the Evans SB14MHG Hybrid head, I have it on my drumset. Right now, it is my favorite snare batter. I just played it in an unmic'd gig last Saturday; it sounded amazing and cut through everything beautifully! I was complimented on the sound. Even though it is intended for marching, the attack and durability of the head are so phenomenal that I couldn't resist. Of course, I have it on a snare that can handle the tension without warping, its a custom steel snare.
Yeah, that's very interesting. I am noticing that several drummers are trying out that head on drumset snare drums. The head really has a lot of highs and cuts through anything. I think it's also a great head for a second snare drum on the kit. Rick
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I'm very happy to see this thread and the info passed along within it... between EvansSpecialist and now EvansPrez, I feel like I have real input into the products I use. I recently put a brand new set of coated G2s on my kit and they sound like the drums I hear in my dreams. I've used Pro-Mark for some time, I'm very glad to hear you're using the merger as a springboard to product improvement in that respect.

I would like very much to see an expanded line of maple sticks with the same sort of market penetration that Vic Firth has had; when I've looked for a much lighter-weight stick on short notice, the stores carry Vic's SD line, and a few store clerks have not even known Pro-Mark even makes them.

As far as the heads, keep on keeping on! You're setting the industry standard with your innovation and quality... thanks much.
Thank you for your support and kind comments. Rick
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Old 08-09-2011, 01:48 PM
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I almost always use Evans heads, and I have bought some Pro Mark drumsticks in the last year, although I usually use Vater "seconds" (Pulse). I never found a Pro Mark stick that felt great in my hands. I really like the EC Reverse Dot as a batter head for snares, and EC2 over EC Resonants on toms. The EQ3 is my bass drum batter head. Peace and goodwill.
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The resonant head I have is the EMAD resonant. Can I get any coated resonant bass drum heads without a port?
I'll check on that for you. Please shoot me an email rick.drumm@daddario.com. Thanks, Rick
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Old 08-09-2011, 05:52 PM
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I'll check on that for you. Please shoot me an email rick.drumm@daddario.com. Thanks, Rick
Yes, we can do that for you. Again shoot me an email rick.drumm@daddario.com
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Old 08-09-2011, 05:54 PM
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Hi Rick

Recieved my sticks today and they are great! The quality and feel has definitely gotten better from the last time I used the sticks.

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Old 08-09-2011, 05:59 PM
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I don't know how constructive this will be but I played Pro-Mark sticks as a kid and into my twenties, but now I use Vater and Vic Firth. I like those sticks and I'd probably still like Pro-Mark but when I first started playing them, the logo was toward the butt end and wasn't visible when playing. Now it's half way up the stick and practically gives me vertigo as I catch it whizzing by my face! I don't know - it just looks weird and causes dischord in my pea brain. If that logo were to ever migrate back to where it's "supposed" to be, I might migrate back to Pro-Mark.

Love Evans heads, though. I like Remo too, and go back and forth. But I've always thought Evans made top notch heads.
A little history of why the logos are now in the middle. When I started at Vic Firth, I noticed the Pro-Mark stripe on the MTV videos. We made the decision to change the VF logo and move it to the middle of the stick so the logo would show up on the videos and TV shows. It worked well and then Pro-Mark changed their logo position. So long story short, you have me to blame for this change. It was not my intent to cause anybody vertigo when the logo passes their eyes.
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Old 08-09-2011, 06:01 PM
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Recieved my sticks today and they are great! The quality and feel has definitely gotten better from the last time I used the sticks.

Thanks so much!
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Old 08-09-2011, 08:59 PM
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Thank you for your suggestion. We are moving to polybag packaging in some international markets for the reasons you mention. We will definitely take a look at Uruguay to add to that program.
I'm on the fence about this. I would hate to see even more plastic being used in the sale of drum heads. But I'm also in a country where one head costs me nearly half a day's wages so anything that makes them cheaper is a good thing. How about recycled paper packaging?

Pro Mark sticks aren't very well represented here, hence why my stick bag has only one pair of pro marks. Sticks in general are also really expensive as well so if Pro Mark do have a seconds line I would be keen to see that more common.

Do Evans make a G1 with a dot kind of like the Remo CS? I have tried getting the CS heads but they must be in such low demand that there are hardly any in the country.

I also tried ordering a 24" Emad a few months ago and was told the store chain have NEVER sold one and it would be about 6 months wait if I wanted it, so I went with a Remo Powersonic. It makes my drum sound like a wooden desk. If you can do anything to improve international ordering that would be SO awesome, and being forced to buy through a retail store is a real pain in the ass because they make it take many times longer. To this day I still haven't heard an Emad in the flesh. Want to send me one to sample? :) :) :)
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Two things regarding EMAD - The plastic ring that holds the foam has been improved over the past year to eliminate cracking under normal use. We are working on EMAD 26" and EMAD 28".

Regarding your comments on Vater and Regal Tip, both make great products. At the moment Pro-Mark doesn't make a stick with the dimensions of the Super Jazz but we will be expanding our range of diameters, tapers and tips over the next several months so I hope to have a Pro-Mark stick that will fit your needs in the not too distant future. Thanks, Rick
Thanks for the honest reply. It will be cool to see how the new stuff turns out. In reguards to the emad, your right the emad i didn't like was atleast 2+ years ago when i swapped it. I have yet to see the new ring. Also a Super Jazz esq stick sounds interesting. ;)
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We acquired Pro-Mark in January of this year and have made a number of improvements in the manufacturing process as well as improving the quality of the wood supply. Pro-Mark owns its own sawmill in Tennessee. Regarding the distribution in Australia. D'Addario opened its wholly owned distribution center outside of Melbourne this past week. You will see greater availabiltiy of all Evans and Pro-Mark products.

Have you fixed the inconsistencies in the weights of the sticks?
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pretty bummed though you stopped doing the EC1's !!
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I'm on the fence about this. I would hate to see even more plastic being used in the sale of drum heads. But I'm also in a country where one head costs me nearly half a day's wages so anything that makes them cheaper is a good thing. How about recycled paper packaging?

Pro Mark sticks aren't very well represented here, hence why my stick bag has only one pair of pro marks. Sticks in general are also really expensive as well so if Pro Mark do have a seconds line I would be keen to see that more common.

Do Evans make a G1 with a dot kind of like the Remo CS? I have tried getting the CS heads but they must be in such low demand that there are hardly any in the country.

I also tried ordering a 24" Emad a few months ago and was told the store chain have NEVER sold one and it would be about 6 months wait if I wanted it, so I went with a Remo Powersonic. It makes my drum sound like a wooden desk. If you can do anything to improve international ordering that would be SO awesome, and being forced to buy through a retail store is a real pain in the ass because they make it take many times longer. To this day I still haven't heard an Emad in the flesh. Want to send me one to sample? :) :) :)
Yes, go to the Evans website. They have a one-ply head with a dot. Peace and goodwill.
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I'm on the fence about this. I would hate to see even more plastic being used in the sale of drum heads. But I'm also in a country where one head costs me nearly half a day's wages so anything that makes them cheaper is a good thing. How about recycled paper packaging?

Pro Mark sticks aren't very well represented here, hence why my stick bag has only one pair of pro marks. Sticks in general are also really expensive as well so if Pro Mark do have a seconds line I would be keen to see that more common.

Do Evans make a G1 with a dot kind of like the Remo CS? I have tried getting the CS heads but they must be in such low demand that there are hardly any in the country.

I also tried ordering a 24" Emad a few months ago and was told the store chain have NEVER sold one and it would be about 6 months wait if I wanted it, so I went with a Remo Powersonic. It makes my drum sound like a wooden desk. If you can do anything to improve international ordering that would be SO awesome, and being forced to buy through a retail store is a real pain in the ass because they make it take many times longer. To this day I still haven't heard an Emad in the flesh. Want to send me one to sample? :) :) :)
The problem with paper packaging is paper can scratch the heads. We've looked at that in the past. Re: the 24" EMAD, we will contact our distributor in Uruguay and the problem is.
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Have you fixed the inconsistencies in the weights of the sticks?
We are working on making the spec tighter. Currently the spec is 3 grams difference. You will see tighter specs in the next few months. Thanks, Rick
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pretty bummed though you stopped doing the EC1's !!
Me too but I think we may look at reformulating it. Personally, I liked that head and thought it brought another sound color to the table.
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A little history of why the logos are now in the middle. When I started at Vic Firth, I noticed the Pro-Mark stripe on the MTV videos. We made the decision to change the VF logo and move it to the middle of the stick so the logo would show up on the videos and TV shows. It worked well and then Pro-Mark changed their logo position. So long story short, you have me to blame for this change. It was not my intent to cause anybody vertigo when the logo passes their eyes.
Marketing genius if you ask me.

When I was a teen, back when MTV still actually played music video's from bands, I would still there and trying to name the brands of drums, cymbals and such being used by every drummer that came across the screen. I worked in a drum shop after school, so it seemed like a good idea to be up on who used what.

But when it came to stick, there was real no way to tell who used what, except for Promark, because of those distinctive stripes.
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I just want to say, that this is awesome that you're doing this. And also that you are helping these people here so much with information. Between that and being the PRESIDENT of such a large company and still posting with more frequency than EvansSpecialist did just really shows a lot about the attitude over at Evans.
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i was wondering if you still make a 6" evens hydraulic head
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Hey Rick,

I usually don't use Evans heads, but I got a new snare and I figure I'll give them a try.

It's an 12 x 6, I really want to be able to get it down low, for a nice deep but open sound. Definitely some nice sustain. I want a low tuning to compliment the natural high pitch of the drum, so I need something that can go down pretty low without losing the sustain or definition.

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Forgive me for going off topic a bit, but I decided to try the Remo Vintage A head for my snare, and the bottom ply is detatched/unglued from the main 7mm ply, its kinda flopping a bit. Is this normal? I've never really paid any attention to things like this, just put the heads on and play usually.
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Forgive me for going off topic a bit, but I decided to try the Remo Vintage A head for my snare, and the bottom ply is detatched/unglued from the main 7mm ply, its kinda flopping a bit. Is this normal? I've never really paid any attention to things like this, just put the heads on and play usually.
You should contact Remo directly but I would say that is not normal.
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Hey Rick,

I usually don't use Evans heads, but I got a new snare and I figure I'll give them a try.

It's an 12 x 6, I really want to be able to get it down low, for a nice deep but open sound. Definitely some nice sustain. I want a low tuning to compliment the natural high pitch of the drum, so I need something that can go down pretty low without losing the sustain or definition.

Thank you!
I would suggest a coated G2 12". If you want a little more controlled sound try the coated EC2. Rick
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I just want to say, that this is awesome that you're doing this. And also that you are helping these people here so much with information. Between that and being the PRESIDENT of such a large company and still posting with more frequency than EvansSpecialist did just really shows a lot about the attitude over at Evans.
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I would suggest a coated G2 12". If you want a little more controlled sound try the coated EC2. Rick
All right thanks, I'll try it.

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Marketing genius if you ask me.

When I was a teen, back when MTV still actually played music video's from bands, I would still there and trying to name the brands of drums, cymbals and such being used by every drummer that came across the screen. I worked in a drum shop after school, so it seemed like a good idea to be up on who used what.

But when it came to stick, there was real no way to tell who used what, except for Promark, because of those distinctive stripes.
Thanks, another interesting thing that happened was I received a few calls from drummers saying that we through the balance of the stick off by adjusting the position of the ink. I didn't feel it but I guess some guys are a bit more sensitive......
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Gonna try some new pro-marks soon for a new rock stick...

Currently using Regal Tip John Robinson Signature, but hoping these pro-marks will prove greater results.

Gonna try the Terreon Gully Signature, Steve Ferrone Signature, and the Hickory Intruder.

I'll let you know what I think!
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Gonna try some new pro-marks soon for a new rock stick...

Currently using Regal Tip John Robinson Signature, but hoping these pro-marks will prove greater results.

Gonna try the Terreon Gully Signature, Steve Ferrone Signature, and the Hickory Intruder.

I'll let you know what I think!
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All right thanks, I'll try it.

BTW, if you want you can use the multi-quote button, directly to the right of the quote button, to quote multiply people in one post. Just select it (it will turn red) for whoever you want to quote and then click the normal quote button for one of them, doesn't matter which one.
Thanks for letting me know about that. I'm still getting the hang of this......
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Old 08-13-2011, 06:13 AM
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Back to a possible new stick designation system you promised you would spearhead lol....printing the diameter in mm and the length in mm and N for nylon tip (or not) on the butt of the stick instead of the side of the stick would be great. The ink wears off and I can't make out the 5A or 5B. That's probably too expensive to do though. I'd like it printed or laser burnt on the butt of the stick because they would be easier to read in my stick bag. But a laser burnt designation/logo (if that's possible) on the side would be superior to ink because the ink wears off with my disgusting finger acids. I know that it's not a major issue but since I have your ear...can't hurt to mention

Rick, if I was on your development team, (and I am available for hire, just say the word) the first project I would do (for $100,000 a year w/ full benefits, company car, and drumheads for life) is to make a complete line of white film drumheads. Crazy aggressive marketing, for a line no one else has. Sales would double at least because white film sounds great. Everyone would have to try every model, think of it. I want them myself.
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Old 08-13-2011, 06:26 AM
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Hi Rick

As i already stated by the posts of Evansspecialist Ben Smith (or Mike or Jim):

I explicit support the cause and the way you step in to show your position.

We clearly see, where it comes from and it helps a lot to bring clarity to some long pending questions - and all coming from the Pres himself - what can we ask for more?

GREAT - and yes, this is the real stuff, not spam!!!

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Old 08-13-2011, 07:51 PM
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Rick, if I was on your development team, (and I am available for hire, just say the word) the first project I would do (for $100,000 a year w/ full benefits, company car, and drumheads for life) is to make a complete line of white film drumheads. QUOTE]

Hi Rick,
As far as I can see, there is a market for coated white film drumheads out there. There have been several comments already (like the one above, aside from the joke) and the feeling is that these heads sound better than their coated clear counterparts. I love me some coated G2's, but I would love them even more if they were white film rather than clear. I was doing some research and I think that the film Remo uses for their vintage emperor, which is a coated head over white film, is mylar and not melanex like you referred to before, but I could be wrong. Anyway, don't want to beat a dead horse, but I think you'd have a top seller there.
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Old 08-13-2011, 08:05 PM
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I didn't know this until yesterday but I just discovered that Remo makes smooth white, ambassador weight, single ply heads. The also have a few other smooth white options that I wasn't aware of. Previously I thought that only 2 ply Emps came in smooth white. I am absolutely going to use the smooth white 1 ply ambassador weight heads on my next tom head change. Truth be told, I would rather them be made by Evans, but until that time, the next G1 I was going to buy will be a smooth white ambassador instead. Sorry Rick, but I love the white film.
And cd, that was no joke lol
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Old 08-13-2011, 09:09 PM
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Very refreshing to see you on here,I like it when management takes a hands on approach.I have a couple comments and a question or two.I have used Evans heads before,Gen quality has not been an issue,and I get the impression that along with a good marketing campaign that E is not resting on its laurels,I see improvement of the products and I like that E is always bringing new and different products to the marketplace,so I think that you all will do your best to bring the Pro mark division up to snuff.I recently put some G plus heads on toms of my gigging rock kit and like them,they are 12 ml and seem to hold up well while using 5 b hickory and like sized but heavier pro mark oak 5-b and 808 sticks.Seeing the g plus heads inspired this question about 10 years ago I bought an Evans 22 kick head that I loved,it had a semi translucent tan/slunk head look to it,was textured or texture coated like the g plus,and had the tone ridge,so it was 2 ply at the edge extending out a couple of inches,the beater or outer head part was single ply.I looked on your website for it but could not narrow down the correct model if indeed it is still made.Any ideas if it is still being made?Next topic,I like to play with wood tipped sticks that have a longer thinner taper because they seem to be faster and easier to control,and I use them when practicing and they last a decent amount of time,but when gigging in a classic rock band I tear them up pretty quick so I have been using 5-b sticks that have been thicker at the shoulder and shorter tapered for durability but at the expense of speed and control. Recently some one gave me a pair of wood tip Pro mark 5-B's and I like them a lot,and also bought some oak 808,s,I like the sound,and the shoulder and tips have held up really well,but they are a bit heavy especially by 3rd and 4th set of the evening.I was wondering if there is and oak model that was a little lighter like a hickory 5-A or B,with a longer thinner taper.The problem is that while almost all the retail outlets in atlanta carry pro mark,most only carry three or four base models,a few wood and a few nylon.
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