Will tab out any song

[DrumBoss]

Hey im looking for some extra cash so ill tab out any song for 7 dollars. Let me know what song you want, Ill send the tab over to you when im done and if you like it you can send me 7 dollars to my pay pal account. For an additional price ill record my self playing it and send you the video. Cheers

[Duckenheimer]

"Ascension" Edition II

[N.I.B.]

Cool. You do transcriptions as well? Tabs aren't the easiest things to read from what I've seen.

[spleen]

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

"Ascension" Edition II

Wow, 40 minutes of avant-garde Elvin for only seven bucks.

Is this a Chinese-based transcription service? ;-)


Okay, sorry to pile on...Best of luck with your endeavor DrumBoss!

[print2race]

Hey DrumBoss, I just sent you a PM for a song.

As way of introduction. I'm a 50 year old who has been playing for about a year. I've taken a few lessons but seem to be stuck. I can't seem to make the connection from watching a drum cover on YouTube and working it out but seem to do well with tabs, so maybe this might get me over the hump. Just joined the forum yesterday and learned a lot just by reading for a while.

I play for my church but end up falling back into the same routine, which is using one of the basic rock beats. I've gone through a DVD series, Learn and Master the Drums. I feel very "stuck".

[MSPaintClock]

Originally Posted by print2race

Hey DrumBoss, I just sent you a PM for a song.

As way of introduction. I'm a 50 year old who has been playing for about a year. I've taken a few lessons but seem to be stuck. I can't seem to make the connection from watching a drum cover on YouTube and working it out but seem to do well with tabs, so maybe this might get me over the hump. Just joined the forum yesterday and learned a lot just by reading for a while.

I play for my church but end up falling back into the same routine, which is using one of the basic rock beats. I've gone through a DVD series, Learn and Master the Drums. I feel very "stuck".

Don't send him any money lmao

[Jack Boyd]

Originally Posted by MSPaintClock

Don't send him any money lmao

Did you have a bad experience with DrumBoss?

[jeffwj]

I have never seen a "pay for tab" business. Why would you offer to tab out a song instead of using musical notation? If you buy Modern Drummer magazine or look at any drum book, it will be in musical notation, not tab. Take a look at the transcription part of this site.

http://www.drummerworld.com/Drumclin...tionstabs.html

Tabs were slightly relevant in the days before music notation programs were available for a reasonable rate or even free. But today we have programs such as Finale and Musescore. A tab salesman today is like a buggy whip salesman in the early days of the automobile.

Jeff

[MSPaintClock]

Also it screams low-quality and a waste of money.

[kettles]

I think it's a great idea and when I was starting out it is something I would have been really keen for. And I don't think any of my drum teachers would want to transcribe songs for any less than their usual hourly rate.

I can read music quite well but I still use tabs, I have always found them easier to understand than proper notation. My mind understands the 'grid' layout a lot better than a scattering of notes on a staff. Note lengths don't matter as much for drums like they do for melodic instruments either. At least not much for rock/pop/etc which I'm assuming Drumboss is going for.

Good luck with your venture, most members on this forum are probably too advanced to need it but I'm sure you'll find beginners who are keen.

[Be26]

Originally Posted by jeffwj

I have never seen a "pay for tab" business. Why would you offer to tab out a song instead of using musical notation?

Maybe he doesn't have access to Finale or Sibelius or one of the other nice programs? Maybe he figured, rightly, that the only difference between tabs and formal notation is the presentation and the music doesn't give half a damn how it's written out? Maybe he's rationalising that charging seven bucks for a song is a significant saving over what Online Drummer charges for a similar service? And maybe we could give him a chance before trumpeting about how he's obsolete and not worth paying attention to because he uses tabs?

OP - I may be back.

[jeffwj]

Originally Posted by Be26

Maybe he doesn't have access to Finale or Sibelius or one of the other nice programs? Maybe he figured, rightly, that the only difference between tabs and formal notation is the presentation and the music doesn't give half a damn how it's written out? Maybe he's rationalising that charging seven bucks for a song is a significant saving over what Online Drummer charges for a similar service? And maybe we could give him a chance before trumpeting about how he's obsolete and not worth paying attention to because he uses tabs?

OP - I may be back.

Musescore and some other programs are free. If he has access to a computer (which I assume he has if his business is internet based) he should be able to use one of the free programs. Before getting all upset, maybe you should realize that I was trying to help him by recommending a free notation program. I was also trying to help by suggesting he notate in a style that almost anybody can read. If he wants to gain more customers, why have a service in an almost obsolete notation? He can make much more out of his business by offering a standardized platform. Take a look at any music store and see if you can find a single drum book written in tab. If it was a money maker, don't you think that there would be tab books in music stores?

Jeff

[dwing]

Can anyone please help me to read and count this material? I'm not sure where the notes should land in relation to the count. Do you count 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 5 & or 1 e & a 2 e & a ETC. Any help at all would be greatly appreciated.

Regards
Daniel Wing

[jeffwj]

Originally Posted by dwing

Can anyone please help me to read and count this material? I'm not sure where the notes should land in relation to the count. Do you count 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 5 & or 1 e & a 2 e & a ETC. Any help at all would be greatly appreciated.

Regards
Daniel Wing

Is that from New Breed 2? It is in 5/8, so:

-each eighth note or eighth rest is counted as one beat

-each sixteenth note or rest is counted as one half a beat (divided into numbers and "ands")

-each dotted eighth note spans the length of three 16th notes tied together (one and a half beats in 5/8 time)

-each quarter note equals two beats (the value of two eighth notes tied together)

Check out Garwood Whaley's Basics in Rhythm or Primary Handbook for Snare Drum. Both are available with CD (make sure to get the CD). They start with easier exercises in 8 time. It may be a way to work up to the exercise you were asking about.

Jeff

[Be26]

Originally Posted by jeffwj

If he wants to gainmore customers, why have a service in an almost obsolete notation?

Because it's easy to write? I'd bet it's a damn sight easier to write than using Musicscore or other dedicated programs, not least because it requires a keyboard and nothing else. And if it's obsolete, can you explain how TTabs has over a quarter of a million tabs in their database? Sites like that aren't perfect, by any stretch, but it's infinitely easier to use them as one's first port of call than it is to try to find equivalent sheet music

[jeffwj]

Originally Posted by Be26

Because it's easy to write? I'd bet it's a damn sight easier to write than using Musicscore or other dedicated programs, not least because it requires a keyboard and nothing else. And if it's obsolete, can you explain how TTabs has over a quarter of a million tabs in their database? Sites like that aren't perfect, by any stretch, but it's infinitely easier to use them as one's first port of call than it is to try to find equivalent sheet music

Shortcuts and easy notation might work well in the short run. But in the long run, the extra effort and work will pay off. As JFK said, "(we do these) things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills..."

If someone is offering a service, they should have to put in some work. But learning to use Musescore is not the tedious chore that you make it out to be. And Musescore, Finale, Sibelius, etc. only require a computer. I assume you had the impression that you need a digital piano or electronic set to MIDI the notes in. You can do that as well, but all it takes is your computer keyboard and a mouse.

So to answer your question about tab sites being popular, I guess not everyone will put in the same dedication to learning the instrument.

I think it is a moot point anyway since (according to his profile) the OP has not logged in since he made his first post. So he most likely has not even seen any of these responses. Maybe it was just a joke post to begin with.

Jeff

[dreambeatlegend]

Originally Posted by kettles

I think it's a great idea and when I was starting out it is something I would have been really keen for. And I don't think any of my drum teachers would want to transcribe songs for any less than their usual hourly rate.

I can read music quite well but I still use tabs, I have always found them easier to understand than proper notation. My mind understands the 'grid' layout a lot better than a scattering of notes on a staff. Note lengths don't matter as much for drums like they do for melodic instruments either. At least not much for rock/pop/etc which I'm assuming Drumboss is going for.

Good luck with your venture, most members on this forum are probably too advanced to need it but I'm sure you'll find beginners who are keen.

tabs are so hard to read while your playing. Only way you can use tabs is to figure them out and play it from memory. they are impossible to sight read. there is a reason that musical notation has been around and is taught in colleges and music schools everywhere... if you actually knew how to read music then you would not want to read tabs.. so I call bologna

you make know how to read musical notation but probably dont understand how to use it.

[dreambeatlegend]

I would like you to tab..

August Burns Red - Paradox

and post it here in your thread.. show us how easy tabs are to write/read

I challenge you!

[kettles]

Originally Posted by dreambeatlegend

tabs are so hard to read while your playing. Only way you can use tabs is to figure them out and play it from memory. they are impossible to sight read. there is a reason that musical notation has been around and is taught in colleges and music schools everywhere... if you actually knew how to read music then you would not want to read tabs.. so I call bologna

you make know how to read musical notation but probably dont understand how to use it.

Yes I do make know how to read music, I'm not an expert, I can't 'sight read' anything too complex without dissecting it first which is the same as "Only way you can use tabs is to figure them out and play it from memory." and if you have learned the parts then sight reading them for a guide is fine.

I'm all for real notation, but I still think it would be better if it maintained some kind of 'grid' layout like tab does. It's taken me far longer to become comfortable with notation than it did with tab which I understood without having to be taught.

Could you sight read that ABR song without having learned the parts first?

I'd like to see some Paal Nilsen-Love tabbed, personally. I was thinking 'Universal Funeral'.

[jeffwj]

Originally Posted by dreambeatlegend

I would like you to tab..

August Burns Red - Paradox

and post it here in your thread.. show us how easy tabs are to write/read

I challenge you!

Here it is. I don't think it's easy to read.

http://www.ttabs.com/tabs.php?id=257834

Jeff

[kettles]

Originally Posted by jeffwj

Here it is. I don't think it's easy to read.

http://www.ttabs.com/tabs.php?id=257834

Jeff

Guess it all comes down to the individual, and what you're used to looking at. That one could be a bit tidier but I find it easy enough to follow while listening to the song because it's how I learned. I would rather have it in proper notation too, but as a beginner some years ago, tabs not only helped me learn to play drums, but to understand proper notation as well.

[N.I.B.]

Originally Posted by jeffwj

Here it is. I don't think it's easy to read.

http://www.ttabs.com/tabs.php?id=257834

Jeff

From my perspective, it really isn't. Conventional drum notation usually gives different lines / spaces for the cymbals and toms, but most tabs that I've seen use one line on the grid each for toms and cymbals and then denote individual cymbals / toms differently on those two lines. I'm sure I'm not the only person that's been confused with that method! The August Burns Red tab gave more than one line for different toms, which I like. The cymbal line looked too cluttered and hard to sight-read though, since the drummer used several different cymbals in that song.

Musical notes seem easier to read because they're more spaced out (in most cases) and don't look near as cluttered as all the dots and X's on tabs. Trying to use ^'s and other characters to group notes together only makes it that much harder to read, from what I've seen.

[jeffwj]

Originally Posted by N.I.B.

Musical notes seem easier to read because they're more spaced out (in most cases) and don't look near as cluttered as all the dots and X's on tabs. Trying to use ^'s and other characters to group notes together only makes it that much harder to read, from what I've seen.

That was my original point. Drum tabs originated from the lack of musical notation software. So to write something out on computer, they would write symbols such as -,x,+, and o. So my original point (which was taken as an insult by some when really I was just being honest) is that tab is really not necessary today. It was created due to lack of musical notation programs. Now there are musical notation program, some of which are free. That is where my analogy to the buggy whip came into play.

Jeff

[toddbishop]

Originally Posted by kettles

I'm all for real notation, but I still think it would be better if it maintained some kind of 'grid' layout like tab does.

It does, loosely- it's considered correct practice to position notes on the staff roughly proportional to their duration and place in the measure. What it doesn't do is waste a lot of ink restating in every single measure the fact that there are sixteen 16th notes in a measure of 4/4.

[dreambeatlegend]

Originally Posted by kettles

I'm all for real notation, but I still think it would be better if it maintained some kind of 'grid' layout like tab does. It's taken me far longer to become comfortable with notation than it did with tab which I understood without having to be taught.

i still don't believe its possible to tab a song like Paradox

Could you sight read that ABR song without having learned the parts first?

well if i learned the parts I wouldn't need to read anything...