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Old 07-11-2011, 06:29 PM
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& here it is, phew! As the rack is a distraction for some, I pulled out a few stands & set the kit up as a classic 4 piece instead of my usual 6 piece format. Cymbals are some of my new Amedia Dervish set.

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All from 200 year old + mahogany, no stain. Stave construction free floating ultra thin shells with segmented construction hoops & bearing edge assembly components. 316L stainless steel chassis, black powder coated.

Toms: (all diameter x depth x shell thickness):

8" x 10" X 3mm (not shown)
10" x 10" x 3mm (not shown)
12" x 10" x 3mm
14" x 16" x 3mm

Bass drum:

20" x 20" x 5mm

Snare drum:

14" x 7" x 30mm

The depths were chosen to offer a very specific sound, not a fashion choice. The special construction allows the creating of deeper drums, without the usual overtone drawbacks sometimes associated with such dimensions.

A very carefully recorded video will be posted in the next 2 - 3 weeks.

I hope you enjoy looking at the results of some very long hours of work & design. A huge thanks to Dean of Guru Drumworks for working with me on this, & I thank a higher authority for the gift of Dean's craftsmanship.
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Old 07-11-2011, 06:53 PM
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Love it! Such a nice finish, although the hoops are a bit much for me. I'm very curious to hear how they sound! You've obviously put a lot of work into this kit, and it definitely shows my friend!

Those are interesting depths you choose for the toms, any particular reason you went with 10" deep?

And the is a bizarre looking strainer you've got there. What's the purpose of the "string" wires??

More pics! except this time the full kit!

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Old 07-11-2011, 07:12 PM
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Hmmm. That might be one of the most beautiful kits on the forum. It's definitely up there. Someone should start an "exotic 4 piece" thread with DMC's kit, your kit, and that one that someone posted that was made of old wine barrels.

Ah, the jealousy runs rampant...
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Old 07-11-2011, 07:20 PM
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Beautiful! How much does the kick weigh?
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Absolutely stunning .....
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:O

W O W

WOW !!
WOW !!!



And a little more WOW!

In other words: Classy, classy, classy is my first adjective. Beautiful, amazing.. would be the next two.

Congratulations, man. Must be a very special feeling to look and play those beauties and know that you built them yourself.

I look forward to see how they sound!! Enjoy them. All that hard work really turned out into something really amazing.

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Did that guy say 'wow'?
I couldn't agree more, but it isn't because of the look, but the construction - although I don't understand a word of ply/wood/thickness/blah-blah-talk... but this is sooooo cool! I'm looing forward to that video. Please hurry, KIS! Hurry!
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Wow that steel frame looks like you could grow vines on it lol.
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Old 07-12-2011, 12:15 AM
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Love the triple strainer in particular. I love the idea of multiple-snared drums, reminds me of orchestral drums.
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Old 07-12-2011, 12:33 AM
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Looking good there Andy! I'll bet that cage would have looked just killer in Nickle plating.

I'm curious about the snare. Why does it not go with the same cage as the bass and toms? Also please elaborate as to what's going on with the triple strainer there, is that a Guru original part? I'm quite intrigued and maybe a little puzzled.

Also, how would you describe the sound of that Dervish ride? What size is it?

Looking forward to sound samples.
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Old 07-12-2011, 12:58 AM
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Maybe I missed it but did someone say WOW. Absolutely gorgeous Andy. And that snare is remarkable. You will probably have a very classy clientel but they will undoubtedly have a beautiful set for life. Best of luck to you Sir.
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Old 07-12-2011, 01:35 AM
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Looks absolutely amazing mate.....it really does look like hollowed out logs with heads on them....very tribal. Hanging for those sound files.

It was designed to record on, I'm guessing you've done a test run or two along the way. Happy with what you're hearing so far?
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:58 AM
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As everyone else has said, that really does look amazing. Wish I had them skills.
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Old 07-12-2011, 07:05 AM
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OMG Andy - those look incredible! Can't wait to hear the SOUND! I suppose you're going to visually obliterate them and hang all your cymbals around it?

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Maybe it is time to go Jerry Marotta and eliminate all your cymbals too. They just get in the way ;)
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Old 07-12-2011, 07:33 AM
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Hmmm. That might be one of the most beautiful kits on the forum. It's definitely up there. Someone should start an "exotic 4 piece" thread with DMC's kit, your kit, and that one that someone posted that was made of old wine barrels.

Ah, the jealousy runs rampant...
That was probably Todd Plummer (http://www.toddcreatedwood.com/html/instruments.html)

Amazing looking kit, Keep It Simple. The snare especially made me jump. With the three wires, and strainers....
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Andy, that is truely the most beautiful drums I've seen. Congrats brother, can't wait to hear them.
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:15 AM
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Love it! Such a nice finish, although the hoops are a bit much for me. I'm very curious to hear how they sound! You've obviously put a lot of work into this kit, and it definitely shows my friend!

Those are interesting depths you choose for the toms, any particular reason you went with 10" deep?

And the is a bizarre looking strainer you've got there. What's the purpose of the "string" wires??

More pics! except this time the full kit!

-Jonthan
1st off, a big thank you to everyone for your interest & support. I'll try to repay that with some honest & carefully made recordings over the next couple of weeks. The first picture shows the kit smothered in the usual range of close micing crap as the kit is made ready for band tracking. The second picture shows a very simple 3 mic (2 x overhead, 1 x out front ambient) recording setup that will be put out with zero processing of any kind.

There's a few points I want to get straight. I didn't build this kit. I came up with the design, did the drawings, put down the bespoke tooling, assisted in final assembly, & spent some weeks in testing & significantly changing the construction. All the woodwork & those cages were built by Dean Price of Guru Drumworks.

The next point I want to clarify is, this started as a personal kit project, & still is. The kit you see will almost certainly never be built again, but the design ideas will be used in the development of future kits to be released by Guru Drumworks, & I'll play a part in that. A good portion of the original design concept was proven to not work, so I changed the construction during trials. Even though some of the novel concept didn't prove out, we still have a world first here, 3mm thick stave shells without rerings! Again, this is not a commercial venture, but the lessons learnt will hopefully have value in the future.

I'll try to answer some points raised;

The drum depths were chosen to produce a single voice across the three mounted toms, & distinct complimentary voices for the floor tom, bass drum, & snare. The construction allows me to play with depths without entering into overtone hell.

Those deep hoops are necessary because of the two part tensioning & bearing edge construction. They are a touch on the bulky side, but we've kept that to a minimum. As lugs are used, the snare hoops are more representitive of standard full wooden hoop dimensions.

The snare strainer is by Pearl, & is part of their symphonic range. As the kit's focus is recording & near field sound, having a choice of snare flavours to hand is very useful.

Thanks again for your support guys, & I'll get those clips up as soon as I can. Yes PFG, I was super happy with the studio sounds. It's only a local demo studio, but the engineer was blown away with the kit's flat tracking ability. Anyhow, you'll get to judge for yourselves soon.

Cheers, Andy.
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:26 AM
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Any pics of the hoops off and the FF mechanism et al......or are they still closely guarded trade secrets?

And get rid of the sub-kick ya big girl!! :-)
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Any pics of the hoops off and the FF mechanism et al......or are they still closely guarded trade secrets?

And get rid of the sub-kick ya big girl!! :-)
I'll get to those pictures soon. There's more work to do on the kit yet. Once that's done, I'll be happy to show the mechanism, as the novel design aspect has been scrapped.

Hahaha, yes, the subkick. It's a great tool PFG! Nothing like that used in the natural recording I've made, but when it's full blown "capture everything you can" song tracking time, or bigger gig time, that subkick is fantastic. I run it, & the D112 on the batter, completely flat, then mix the inputs to give me the sound I want. As it's simply a low frequency capture microphone, I'd say that's more wholesome & honest than going mad with the EQ! Even our band demo will feature a bass drum with no EQ. How often does that happen?

Thanks for your support PFG, just getting my favourite summer frock out now, lol!
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Old 07-12-2011, 03:35 PM
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How much does the kick weigh?
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How much does the kick weigh?
Pretty heavy kicky flicky. That said, probably ony around the same weight as an average thickness stave shelled version, but that's still a fair bit heavier than a ply drum. It's only a 20", so it's not that bad. I'm guessing 50% of the weight is in the chassis & spurs, as the shell weighs almost nothing.
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lovely looking drums, bet they sound great!
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Holy cow! That kit looks mean. I can't get over the size of the wood hoops. They are huge.
Nice contrast with the black (wraps things?).
You think your better than me because you got 3 snare throw -offs?!?!
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Holy cow! That kit looks mean. I can't get over the size of the wood hoops. They are huge.
Nice contrast with the black (wraps things?).
You think your better than me because you got 3 snare throw -offs?!?!
The hoops are that size because they contain the tensioning system. The black wrap thingy is the chassis that the head assemblies & free floating shells are suspended by.

Thanks toddy, got to fly, but I'll get back to you on your PM.
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I think it might look better with Fiberskyn heads, but that's my only gripe. And if that's just the bare mahogany, that is freaking gorgeous!!!
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dood!

hands down: coolest custom kit I've ever had the priviledge to lay eyes on!

I too, can't wait to hear 'em!!!
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WOW! Now that there is some very pretty stuff!
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Beautiful kit!!! I love the Yamaha rack system, too! It's nice to see something other than the standard curved tube Gibraltar rack...
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Andy, you've created a work of art you know.... I think you could get $100,000 USD for just the drums alone. They are the most uniquely beautiful set of drums ever built in the history of man IMO, and if you would sell them, I would auction them off starting at no less than 50,000.

They, like you, are amazing.
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Pretty heavy kicky flicky. That said, probably ony around the same weight as an average thickness stave shelled version, but that's still a fair bit heavier than a ply drum. It's only a 20", so it's not that bad. I'm guessing 50% of the weight is in the chassis & spurs, as the shell weighs almost nothing.
Thanks,was just wondering if it was as heavy as the Sonor signature series kicks from back in the day.. I loved them drums!
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That kit is Freakin Gorgeous man!
That is all that I have to say.
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Andy, you've created a work of art you know.... I think you could get $100,000 USD for just the drums alone. They are the most uniquely beautiful set of drums ever built in the history of man IMO, and if you would sell them, I would auction them off starting at no less than 50,000.

They, like you, are amazing.
Shock and awe lol
Wow, that's a lot of money Larry. They're nice, but----------

I was thinking that, because the production price is so high, there wouldn't be a market for them in their exact present form. Certainly, drums to an equal, if not better performance can be made for a lot less using the lessons learnt from this kit. Commercially, this exact kit would need to sell at DW X 2+ to even consider construction to order, & that's a lot for a kit. But who knows, maybe there are players out there who'd go that extra mile. The cage chassis is the biggest additional cost factor. I'm very interested in the next generation of this kit construction, but, you never know, perhaps we could offer an "Andy" special edition, lol!

A few points; Thanks to everyone who's responded since yesterday, glad y'all like it.
Yes, it's the original mahogany colour. A coat of clear hardening oil, & nothing more. Also glad that a few seem to like the rack too. It's a split decision on that one, that's why I posted it as a four piece.

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That is all that I have to say.
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Gee, that's all? Hell, I'll take two ;)
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Beautiful KIS,

I'm really fond of the 4 piece set up, just stunning. Can't wait for the video/audio. Hats off to your design and Guru Drumworks pulling off a work of art.
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Crap...
I just told Gruntersdad he his Bumblebee kit was the most beautiful set of drums I've ever seen. Those are lovely, I do believe I'll also eagerly await sound samples!
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Thanks guys for your lovely comments, & BTW, Grunt's Bumblebee kit is a real honey!

As for value/price & all that stuff, the cost of putting this kit together was high, but it was always going to be. Bespoke tooling for profiles, CAD time, etc really add to the project cost. The kit only really has value to me. Dean & I are continuing to cooperate, & the evolution of this design will hopefully produce super high quality drums at a price that makes sense. Early days on that. Anyhow, you'll all be able to cast your critical ears over the results pretty soon, & I'm very interested to hear your opinions.
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So Andy, after all is said and done, a recap please.

The kick drum exceeded expectations, right?
The rack toms did not meet expectations, correct?
Would you say the racks still sound better than a standard tom? Worse?
What about the floor tom, better than standard, same as, or worse?
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Daaaaaaaaayum.

That's a pretty nice-looking kit you got there, KIS! The finishless part makes it all the prettier, too.

I've read some interesting things that you've mentioned about this kit, in particular that the depth of a drum determines its voice. I'll have to try that out for myself sometime. The hoops seem huge, and I wonder what kind of effect that has on sustain and tone, seeing as they're still wood. And how much weight do the cages add, and what material are they made out of?

The amount of thought that you put into this could qualify it as a real work of art, man. I hope you enjoy the kit.
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