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Old 06-09-2011, 06:08 PM
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Default How much do lyrics matter to you?

For me, personally, I have to be able to enjoy a song on all dimensions. If the lyrics are just a compilation of jokes it seems to take away from the music greatly. A lot of mainstream music seems to have minimal effort placed into the repetitive lyrics that are used.

Do lyrics make a big difference to you guys as well?
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Old 06-09-2011, 06:15 PM
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For me, personally, I have to be able to enjoy a song on all dimensions. If the lyrics are just a compilation of jokes it seems to take away from the music greatly. A lot of mainstream music seems to have minimal effort placed into the repetitive lyrics that are used.

Do lyrics make a big difference to you guys as well?
For all of my life I don't think I've ever heard a songs complete lyrics until I've listened to it dozens of times, I can probably count them on one hand. Most of the music I listen to and enjoy I don't comprehend what's being said, pieces sure, but not the whole thing. I struggle a bit in general to hear people in conversation, but lyrics in particular reside in my 'deaf spot'.

Things I hear well are drums & guitar, I can barely hear bass guitar and don't understand the lyrics unless I really focus on shutting everything else out.
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Old 06-09-2011, 06:16 PM
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For me, I'd rather do w/out the lyrics most of the time.
However, with singer/song writers like Cat Stevens or Bob Dylan's music you kinda need the lyrics - they are the song. Or, when it comes to singin' the blues it's hard to do without them...
But most of the time lyrics are just silly shallow stories.
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As a drummer I like to understand what is actually being said in a song. Particularly original material so that I can accent as needed and where appropriate.
As just a listener, I think I concentrate on the music itself more and not so much to the lyrics.
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How much? This much! (one arm pointing west, one arm pointing east)

Yes lyrics are highly important to me as a drummer. For instance, certain lines in certain songs...I will play that line softer for greater impact from the vocalist.

Example: In the song "The Weight" by The Band, the one verse goes:

Go down Miss Moses/ there's nothing that you can say/ It's just old Luke and Luke's waiting on the judgement day/ Well Luke my friend, what about young Anna Lea?/ He said do me a favor son, won't you stay and keep Anna Lea company....


I play this last line (about keeping Anna Lea company) softer and it makes for a nice mood. Why? In the song, Luke is dying. His words (even though they're spoken through the singer) need to be set apart slightly from the other lines in the verse, my opinion. Levon doesn't do this, this is my idea. Think about it, a dying man just gave permission to diddle his Anna Lea, kind of important, right? That line needs different treatment IMO. Playing slightly softer there raises the musicality a notch or 2 IMO. If I didn't care about the lyrics I would have never picked up on that. Those little nuances are huge.

I think that to be a complete drummer, you need to understand what's being said in the lyrics so you can match/reflect the mood the singer creates with your playing choices. The more you listen for, the more involved in the song you become. I really don't like reading here that lyrics don't matter, they do. The reason for the song is in the lyrics, the lyrics are the song. (dance music and mindless lyrics exempted) Not something that should be ignored IMO, quite the contrary. As a drummer, we have a direct connection to the singer, we can make or break them. Knowing what they're trying to convey lyrically is vital information when trying to play a thoughtful drum part IMO.

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Old 06-09-2011, 06:51 PM
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Ive always been extremely lyrical
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I often don't hear them because I'm too busy listening to all the other stuff, but they are tremendously important. I don't often listen to music that serves just as a backing for lyrics...I don't think interesting lyrics can make up for dull music.
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Old 06-09-2011, 07:25 PM
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The majority of my favorite bands are my favorites because of the lyrics.

Lyrics can make or break a band, IMHO.
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Old 06-09-2011, 07:45 PM
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for me it depends on the music. if the music is there to support the lyrics they are very important to me (though the might be silly or dull as well if it fits). but if they are "just" an equal part to the other instruments, i don't pay additional attention to them. but its always a pity if i really like a song and then find out the lyrics are not as beautiful as the music would call for.

when i play drums in a band, i try to fit the muscial vibe first, and then care for the actual lyrics. i had a rehearsal on tuesday, where i didn't get a single word of what the singer was singin but the sound as a whole just took me away... with a singer there is more than one way to get the lyrics i guess.... did ask her for them afterwards though
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Old 06-09-2011, 08:02 PM
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In the songwriting process with my band I write almost all of the lyrics so I would say its very important to me.

There is a big trend among these hipster bands to have silly lyrics with no real meaning to them. I think it's just neuters any brilliance to the whole composition. I'd rather hear a guy singing "baby baby baby" than a free association of meaningless crap. Older songs and pop tunes (and Dio) get a pass in my book but I really don't care for lame lyrics.
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The lyrics are what the audiences latch onto. They are the most human part of the song. Non musicians don't experience the music part on the level musicians do. They tend to skim the surface...that's the lyrics. Lyrics are the reason for the music not the other way around.
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Old 06-09-2011, 08:33 PM
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Most of the music I listen to anymore is instrumental. But I do pay lyrics a lot of attention. I don't need great lyrics to enjoy a piece of music, but well-crafted lyrics set a song apart. I share Larry's approach in that I craft my playing around them when I think it's appropriate.
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Old 06-09-2011, 09:01 PM
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I can ignore bad lyrics most of the time as long as the music is interesting to listen to.
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Old 06-09-2011, 09:32 PM
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The lyrics are what the audiences latch onto. They are the most human part of the song. Non musicians don't experience the music part on the level musicians do. They tend to skim the surface...that's the lyrics. Lyrics are the reason for the music not the other way around.
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I didn't really pay attention to lyrics at all for the first several years I played music. I was always much more into the instruments.

About 2 years ago I started paying attention to the words & they have become more important to me.

It's also fun trying to decipher the meanings behind them, It really surprises me when disposable sounding lyrics turn out to be really deep once the subject is considered.
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Old 06-09-2011, 10:09 PM
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For all of my life I don't think I've ever heard a songs complete lyrics until I've listened to it dozens of times, I can probably count them on one hand. Most of the music I listen to and enjoy I don't comprehend what's being said, pieces sure, but not the whole thing. I struggle a bit in general to hear people in conversation, but lyrics in particular reside in my 'deaf spot'.

Things I hear well are drums & guitar, I can barely hear bass guitar and don't understand the lyrics unless I really focus on shutting everything else out.
I relate to this. I notice that you're into graphics and have a twisted sense of humour too. I wonder if there's a connection - a type of brain?

I miss an awful lot of lyrical detail and very few lyrics will get me in irregardless of musical content (the Indigo Girls's Closer to Fine is an exception). So I'm not a big Dylan fan. Most of the time I have no idea what he's mumbling about.

So I struggle to get past the sloppy diction of most vocalists. You need to be capable of thinking and processing quickly to pick up most lyrics and I'm more one to think slowly, train my focus on some some minutiae and then and analyse to death.

Still, the general impression of a lyric makes a big difference to me; the general vibe of a lyric can turn me on or off a song.


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I think that to be a complete drummer, you need to understand what's being said in the lyrics so you can match/reflect the mood the singer creates with your playing choices. The more you listen for, the more involved in the song you become.
Rather than interpreting the lyric myself I instinctively support the singer's interpretation. The main difference here with your approach is that you're taking the initiative whereas I track the emotions without really "getting it" - a bit like a dog does :)


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The reason for the song is in the lyrics, the lyrics are the song. (dance music and mindless lyrics exempted)
Huge exemption, Larry.

90% of lyrics concern matters of the groin ... oh, they masquerade as something meaningful but it's ultimately about the joys of being compelled by base instinct to find or keep a mate who one deems best suited to propagating one's genes. Then there are the hard luck tales about "the one that got away". I find it impossible to care unless there's a special lilt in the vocalist's delivery lol

I have no idea why music is so inextricably linked to matters of reproduction. Maybe when the mothership comes to collect me a crew member will fill me in on that little mystery.
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Old 06-09-2011, 10:35 PM
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It really depends on the music I'm listening to.

For instance: if I'm listening to Yes (like I am now) I really don't listen to lyrics. I hear them, I learn them, but I don't think about what they are saying (with a few exceptions). I guess I'm just so overwhelmed with the instrumentals and harmonies that trying to decipher metaphorical puzzles just seems unimportant.

The Who, on the other hand, has lyrics that I can cling to a lot more. The songs just perfectly support the lyrics.

Rush is one of the only bands I can think of that I love the music and lyrics equally.
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Lyrics are very important to me. All parts of music are important to me. About half the music I listen to is instrumental, mostly because I do not have to consider lyrics. Peace and goodwill.
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Old 06-09-2011, 11:16 PM
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I relate to this. I notice that you're into graphics and have a twisted sense of humour too. I wonder if there's a connection - a type of brain?
lol I hope not for your sake:

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For all of my life I don't think I've ever heard a songs complete lyrics until I've listened to it dozens of times, I can probably count them on one hand. Most of the music I listen to and enjoy I don't comprehend what's being said, pieces sure, but not the whole thing. I struggle a bit in general to hear people in conversation, but lyrics in particular reside in my 'deaf spot'.

Things I hear well are drums & guitar, I can barely hear bass guitar and don't understand the lyrics unless I really focus on shutting everything else out.
I'm so glad to hear I'm not the only one! I don't hear a single word in most cases until I've listened to the song so many times that I can ignore what's happening with the music. The only exception is when the vocals are "melded" to the music as such that they contribute directly to the melody or structure... I sometimes hear that; my theory is that my brain is kinda hearing it as part of the music instead of a person saying something.
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I pay more attention to the phrasing, vocal inflection or vocal lines - basically the way the voice is being used, than I do to the actual lyrical content.

Obviously there are some artists whose lyrics are everything (The Dylan's et al) and there are others that you could spend a lifetime not knowing the words and you're missing nothing (The Chili Peppers' et al). So definitely some more than others, but for the most part I don't rely solely on "the words" to set the mood.....musicians have been doing a great job of creating mood for a hell of a long time now.

I've played in original bands where I haven't had a clue exactly what the lyrics were until we recorded and I could hear the playback clearly. I've never felt like I'm missing something for not knowing every word sung. Obviously I want to be involved enough to capture the vibe of the song, but much like I don't need to know every chord a guitarist is playing, I don't need to know every lyric either.
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Do lyrics make a big difference to you guys as well?
Not in the slightest - much prefer instrumental music.

Frank Zappa said something similar but bowed to the audience's desire to hear lyrics - at least he made them funny and worthy comments on the fool things in life.....
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Lady Gaga isn't the kind of artist I would refer when talking about profound or especially skillfully written lyrics. Repetition to the point of becoming an ear worm is a sign of filler, which is a symptom of a lack of things to say, which is the exact opposite of having lyrics. If you have nothing to say, why are you talking at all?

System Of A Down, being my favorite band of all time, obviously grabs me with everything they do, and the lyrics are no exception. They're not repetitive to the point of annoying, they're sensible, some are intriguingly cryptic, and they almost always have a point behind them that I can actually think about, granted it takes a bit of thought by itself to decipher them.
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System Of A Down, being my favorite band of all time, obviously grabs me with everything they do, and the lyrics are no exception. They're not repetitive to the point of annoying, they're sensible, some are intriguingly cryptic, and they almost always have a point behind them that I can actually think about, granted it takes a bit of thought by itself to decipher them.
Agreed, SOAD is great! Some songs are more straightforward and easy to understand (Prison Song, Attack, BYOB) and others seem really random but I wonder if they have a deeper meaning (Vicinity of Obscenity, Chic n Stu)?

Edit: just googled Vicinity of Obscenity, that should have been so obvious to me lol!
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Lyrics matter sooo much. I would say the most important factor in deciding whether I am going to love a song or a group on a long-term basis. I have.

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Wow. I'm surprised to find so many of you are so into lyrics. I could not be more opposite. I believe lyrics can only detract from a song if they are written badly, but almost never really add to it. I can appreciate good lyrics and when I take the time to look them up and read them without singing them with the music, I rather enjoy deciphering a meaning, if any. However, I can sing along to a song perfectly and have absolutely no idea what its about, or what the guy is saying.

The lyrical meaning is unimportant to me. One of my favorite genres is native to Spain. I don't speak a lick of spanish, but I love the modes, melodies, and arrangements used in this genre; they are amazing. Lyrics are there, but it doesn't matter to me if they were singing about love, death, or Lindsay Lohan, I'd love the songs just the same.

For me, lyrics are just a string of syllables. Meaningful or meaningless, it is no object. I listen to melodies, harmonies, and how the words/syllables fit/sound together. But most importantly how the music feels.

Iconic singer song writers, like Bob Dylan, didn't get famous on their lyrics alone. Its the whole song writing package that they are famous for. Chordal structure, melody, arrangement... this is the real meat behind a song, then the lyrics fall on top for the people that care.

I love Bob Dylan. I love James Taylor, Carole King, Bob Marley, John Lennon, all these singer song writers. But I also like John Coltrane, Pat Metheny, Chick Corea, Frank Zappa, Rush, The Who, Dream Theater, etc etc. I not here to say instrumental music is better, just that its all the same to me. Its all music. The instruments and vocals are just a means to an ends: emotional expression.

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So, I'd have to disagree. Emotion/passion is the reason for the music, nothing else. It doesn't matter to me that John Coltrane was a tenor player. He could have been a crooner for all I care, but the emotion and feeling he expressed through his music would have still been there. Thats why hes an epic musician. By the same token, Bob Dylan could have been a famous artist or a jazz musician.. it doesn't matter because his storytelling ability and passion for emotional expression would still have been there inside him, and because of that he still would become the same iconic figure he is today.
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Wow I'm officially flabbergasted.

Expounding ignorance of something as a good thing is just backwards in my book. John Coltrane doesn't fit in this discussion, there's no lyrics there.
This discussion obviously centers around music w/ lyrics, free jazz doesn't figure into it.
Lyrics can ONLY detract from a song? Surely this is a joke. I can't believe you mean that. (Dance music exempted) If you can sing along perfectly to a song without understanding it's meaning, why are you proud of that? That makes me think unflattering things about you. Lyrics are just a string of syllables? Smokey Robinson would take exception there, and so do I. Do you feel the same about The Bard? Dylan didn't get famous on his lyrics alone? What was it then? His looks? His voice? His playing?
A big part of feeling music is realizing and understanding what's being said so you can reflect that in your drumming. The drummer/vocalist connection is something that is very intimate. if you don't care what's being said, you can't possibly be playing the song as thoughtfully as you could be. As a vocalist, wouldn't you want your drummer to understand what you are trying to express? Think of it from THAT perspective. Totally discounting the drummer/vocalist connection...what a monumental oversight. I'm sorry but this is the kind of attitude that gives drummers a bad name.

Please don't take this personal, think of it like we're on a debate team. We definitely have opposite views, which is OK. I respect your opinions as yours, but definitely can't agree with them.

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So, is it WHAT is being sung? or HOW it is sung?

Here's my hang up w/lyrics; for example, as much as I love The Stones, The Who, Springsteen etc. I just can't get into a 60 year old singing about teen angst - time to move on guys. Not all the tunes are that but the ones that are, well come on.

On the other hand. I was driving home with my 13 yr old daughter the other day and I had a Cat Stevens playlist playing and it was just so cool. We usually talk alot in the car but we both just sat and listened. Without realizing it we were tuned into WHAT he was singing and HOW he sang and how his voice and the music captivated us.

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It's both. It's what is being said (not song, right?) AND how it's being said.
For instance, 2 exact lines, delivered differently will have different meanings.

As a drummer, I play to the meaning, not necessarily the words. You can't know the meaning if you don't listen and understand the words, and more importantly, the delivery.

This doesn't mean I play to every single word in a song. That's re-diculous. Like during a shuffle, you just have to keep the shuffle feel going. However, when the opportunity presents itself to decorate a lyric with some little, musically clever idea, I want to be Johnny on the spot with it.
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It's both. It's what is being said (not song, right?) AND how it's being said.
For instance, 2 exact lines, delivered differently will have different meanings.

As a drummer, I play to the meaning, not necessarily the words. You can't know the meaning if you don't listen and understand the words, and more importantly, the delivery.

This doesn't mean I play to every single word in a song. That's re-diculous. Like during a shuffle, you just have to keep the shuffle feel going. However, when the opportunity presents itself to decorate a lyric with some little, musically clever idea, I want to be Johnny on the spot with it.
Ok, but the meaning isn't often important to me. My wife plays Italian pop tunes and I have very little idea what the heck they're sayin' but I enjoy it anyway. And Latin stuff sung in spanish - no clue - but it grooves and I can get into it.
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When you listen to a song, you don't have any responsibility. However when you are drumming for a song then I feel it's slacking if you don't know what thoughts are being conveyed. Why is this considered unimportant?
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Wow. I'm surprised to find so many of you are so into lyrics. I could not be more opposite. I believe lyrics can only detract from a song if they are written badly, but almost never really add to it. .
Well, I'm surprised anyone could feel the way you do. So I guess we balance out!

But if it wasn't for the lyrics, my CD collection would be a fraction of the size it is.

Don't get me wrong, I like some instrumental music, and I like many instrumental passages, and I have plenty of music that has bad/cheesy lyrics too, I even have some stuff that is not in English (i.e. the only language I understand), but good lyrics are the reason I got into so many bands I hold dear to my heart.

I can not fathom how anyone can NOT be into lyrics. It's incomprehensible to me.
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When you listen to a song, you don't have any responsibility. However when you are drumming for a song then I feel it's slacking if you don't know what thoughts are being conveyed. Why is this considered unimportant?
I get what you're saying. But by unimportant, not the best word I suppose, but rather not essential would be better.
But, if I can't see, feel, and hear the emotion coming out of the singer, regardless of what he's saying, then I don't know how I'd play the song - but that's just me.

I've played w/french singers (being from Montreal) and I didn't always understand the lyrics but I always understood the emotion put across. Maybe that's what I get from being around Latin based languages such as, French and Italian, were the emotions are out on the table.
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Old 06-10-2011, 08:15 PM
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Wow I'm officially flabbergasted.

Expounding ignorance of something as a good thing is just backwards in my book. John Coltrane doesn't fit in this discussion, there's no lyrics there.
This discussion obviously centers around music w/ lyrics, free jazz doesn't figure into it.
Lyrics can ONLY detract from a song? Surely this is a joke. I can't believe you mean that. (Dance music exempted) If you can sing along perfectly to a song without understanding it's meaning, why are you proud of that? That makes me think unflattering things about you. Lyrics are just a string of syllables? Smokey Robinson would take exception there, and so do I. Do you feel the same about The Bard? Dylan didn't get famous on his lyrics alone? What was it then? His looks? His voice? His playing?
A big part of feeling music is realizing and understanding what's being said so you can reflect that in your drumming. The drummer/vocalist connection is something that is very intimate. if you don't care what's being said, you can't possibly be playing the song as thoughtfully as you could be. As a vocalist, wouldn't you want your drummer to understand what you are trying to express? Think of it from THAT perspective. Totally discounting the drummer/vocalist connection...what a monumental oversight. I'm sorry but this is the kind of attitude that gives drummers a bad name.

Please don't take this personal, think of it like we're on a debate team. We definitely have opposite views, which is OK. I respect your opinions as yours, but definitely can't agree with them.
The reasons I brought Coltrane into the conversation center around the fact that learning drums, saxophone, how to sing, or how to write songs is just a means to an end. Great artists, whatever their discipline of art, are great for the soul reason that they connect in an emotional/personal way to their audience. However that happens is up to them.

I view vocals as just another instrument in the band. What they sing is simply a collection of notes and sounds, just like every other instrument. If they believe in what they are singing enough to make an emotional connection with me by how that belief comes through in their performance, I'm hooked. It doesn't matter to me what they are singing about. Thats why you hear the expression, ...sings so well they could sing the phone book.

Its the same reason why we like the relatively simple in the pocket amazing grooves of Steve Gadd and Steve Jordan. Its not what they are playing, but how they are playing it, how it fits with everything else. We could probably teach a monkey to play the same notes as Gadd. But I bet anybody would prefer the Gadd version over any alternative, because Gadd is engaged in the groove and pushing some raw emotion and attitude out in his playing. I'd listen to Gadd play warm up exercises. It doesn't matter cause it feels so good.

Same with vocalists, I'd rather listen to Ray Charles sing baby words, then listen to somebody sing a poem about love lost that someone else wrote, because there is an emotional element to everything Ray Charles does.

I understand that singing your own lyrics almost guarantees an passionate performance, because their an personal element to the lyrics and therefore a personal element to the singing. However, the best vocalists can make other people's lyrics, and more to the point, ANY lyrics, whatever the subject, feel good and engage the audience with an emotional element through their note choice and the way they sing.

And yes, just friendly debate.
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I'm so glad to hear I'm not the only one! I don't hear a single word in most cases until I've listened to the song so many times that I can ignore what's happening with the music. The only exception is when the vocals are "melded" to the music as such that they contribute directly to the melody or structure... I sometimes hear that; my theory is that my brain is kinda hearing it as part of the music instead of a person saying something.
Spot on, I hear the vocals just fine in terms of a sound that contributes to the song but not easily as English with a message. It's like a stop sign for me, I don't read STOP every time I come up to one, I just know it changes behavior.
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As a drummer, I play to the meaning, not necessarily the words. You can't know the meaning if you don't listen and understand the words, and more importantly, the delivery.
As a drummer, I play to the mood. I don't necessairly need lyrics to determine the mood. I find music is just as capable of drawing emotion as a lyric.
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Larry and DED, your thoughts on this comment I mad earlier?

90% of lyrics concern matters of the groin ... oh, they masquerade as something meaningful but it's ultimately about the joys of being compelled by base instinct to find or keep a mate whom one deems best suited to propagating one's genes.

Then there are the hard luck tales about "the one that got away". I find it impossible to care unless there's a special lilt in the vocalist's delivery lol



I truly don't care about these little slices of Mills & Boon. A small % of songs have inspiring or interesting lyrics. They seem to be present so the vocalist has something to form consonants around other than scooby dooby shooby doo sh-bop sh-bop.

I agree with wsabol and PFOG - it's the moods and feelings that inspire music. Many, many bands write the music first and add lyrics as an afterthought. Maybe if more lyrics were meaningful or interesting and if singers performed with half-decent diction I'd be more into it.

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I think that the lyrics are extremely important. Especially when they are really close to the person that wrote them. If it is something as insignificant as whatever trend is taking place then it does seem to detract from the song, but when it is a common belief or something of great meaning to the writers I think it shows through the music because each of them are capable of projecting that experience into the music.

IMO, everyone is going to see this differently I guess. Depth in lyrics isn't necessarily significant in every genre since maybe certain topics or whatever would not flow well with certain music.
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I wasn't a big lyrics guy ever and now I find myself listening more and realize just how much I missed previously. But Kudos to Larrys responce. Bravo.
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I'm with Larry on this one. Don't get me wrong, I love instrumental music too though.
The musical link between the singer and the drummer is something we don't really discuss much.

Playing a supporting role is the main job, but drums can also add emphasis, interpretation, or counterpoint to the vocal as much as melodic instruments. Having an understanding of a songs lyrics greatly enables me to do so. For the most part I do this in my own original music as opposed to covers.

In my early years of playing I was so into the music that I could care less about the lyrics.
Over the years I have tried to look at the whole as a piece of art, as opposed to singular parts. When I started singing it made me start to think about lyrics, I wanted to make sure I was cool with what I was saying.

Even though there are a lot of crap songs out there, the good ones are memorable and well worth it.

Its the subtle things that make great music.

Does anyone else think about this or compose drum parts with the lyrics in mind at certain times?

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